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  1. #201
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    Re: SERAPHIN answers YOUR QUESTIONS here

    Rosie here. Thank you dear Marayah for your comments on the "missing miracle cure" which your patients are looking for. This is exactly the problem Seraphin is talking about .... a failure to recognise one's own contribution toward the situation, and lack of a feeling of responsibility for what has happened.

    Quote Originally Posted by Marayah View Post
    Thank you Seraphin & Rosie for answering my question on autoimmune diseases

    My aspect on this part of your reply:



    ...is that very often patients are waiting for the doctor to end their ailments, totally denying their own sovereignity and responsibility and leaving the outcome up to the 'good doc'. After finally seeing this wonderperson, their missing miracle cure is a total mystery to them and even more so when the cause of the disease turned out to remain unclear and unexplained. Sick people want the expert to point out an outer cause and fix a quick cure.

    I always encourage all patients to take action and sort out by themselves what might have caused the problem that they may have influence on themselves -and thus may resolve all by themselves through good ole common sense and a bit of self reflection.

    Some people hate the idea of responsibilty for their own situation...but others quite like the idea of helping themselves, realizing the strength in such an approach.

    I think that understanding how we create our own ailments might be a great first step in understanding how we create other circumstances and events too, including collective discordant manifestations.

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  3. #202
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    Re: SERAPHIN answers YOUR QUESTIONS here

    Answer from Seraphin

    Greetings again to the White Opal who shows courage in the posing of her questions.

    Taking the life of another - cutting of their present life stream and thus preventing the soul concerned from choosing the time of it own departure - is against the laws of balance. It means that you have cut off that person's free will, including the termination of plans still to manifest. While other influences from previous traumatic events whether in this life or seeping through in memories of past lives, this is still a CONSCIOUS DECISION IN THE NOW, AND AS SUCH, ANYONE COMMITTING THIS CRIME IS WHOLLY RESPONSIBLE FOR IT.

    Showing deep remorse for such an act will have a positive effect, yet how can that remorse be shown and lived if the next act is simply to take one's own life? This is also against the laws of creation and does nothing to alleviate the pain one has caused. It is simply an attempt to escape facing what one has done. This is a cowardly answer to the issue. And escape is actually not possible, for if you take your own life, as mentioned before somewhere in this thread, then you will be strongly advised to "repeat" the problematic issues in the subsequent incarnation in order to find a better solution.

    Those who kill without remorse are sewing the seed of being treated without remorse. It is high time for the hearts on earth to soften, to sensitise yourselves to your self-created carnage, to put away your knives and guns, and to sew love so that you reap love. For this is actually - in the very final analysis - what everyone is looking for, and what all grave disappointments are based on - the lack of constant unconditional love. Give this and you will receive it. Do not discuss whether this sort of homicide is beter or worse than that kind of homicide, rather MAKE THAT DISCUSSION REDUNDANT.

    Quote Originally Posted by opalo blanco View Post
    Dear Seraphin…Could you please tell us something about HOMICIDE and other abuse to other human being? Is this happening because of an “unknown reason” –"past lives" for example- or it is only a manifestation of our unconsciousness and lack of love in this dimension?
    Is there any “difference” between the people who kill somebody without any remorse and those who regret it and kill themselves after the fact?

    Thanks a lot!

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  5. #203
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    Thanks very much Rosie and Seraphin.


    Quote Originally Posted by Rose Anna View Post
    Seraphin's Answer to BriAnna

    Greetings to you BriAnna, and thank you for bringing in the historical perspective which has indeed be much warped by those you call "historians". What has been officially recorded is only a partial truth related from a partial perspective. And there will be full disclosure of this so that the absurdity of making war in the name of GOD, where both sides were absolutely convinced of their own right, will be fully disclosed. As those leaders recognised, there was great power to be gained - great manipulative power in fact - to say that GOD IS ON OUR SIDE.

    In another sense; GOD IS ALWAYS ON YOUR SIDE, in the sense that your angels and guardians do continually atmempt - within their mandate and preserving your free will simultaneously - to direct you towards your fulfillment and vocation.

    Due to teachings and concepts which will completely revolutionise your ideas of what GOD is and does, it will soon become obvious that in such episodes of your history, much has been distorted. It will also become obvious that many were deceived or let themselves be deceived. As Candace has already said, technology providing insights into the Akashic records will be available in the future, and then even more will become clear.

    Furthermore, the idea that someone is RIGHT and another person is WRONG will fade into the background, as such judging processes are not the focus of a spiritual society. The focus is on constant DEVELOPMENT, and all stages contribute to this development. In addition, seeing something as "Christ-embracing" or Christ-rejecting" will not be seen in a religious context. To carry Christ awareness is to behave as a Christed being (for example Jesus/Esu/CM) would, but as there are many belief systems and also many masters of old returning, WHO WERE ALSO CHRISTED BEINGS, suitable terminology will be found by them to describe this desired state of consciousness. Such are some of the new ways you will see your old world.

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  7. #204
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    Greetings Seraphin, and many thanks to yourself and Rosie for appearing here and answering these many questions. I feel this is a tremendous opportunity for all.

    My question relates to "going within", the importance of which has been greatly stressed of late, and which you have mentioned in several of your excellent responses.

    In my early days of AH, I participated in the directed meditations organised by Johan. I felt able to engage in these, but during one meditation I received the words, "meditation is not for you", after which, I stopped. After Johan's departure, the emphasis was more on going within and seeking answers. I tried this, somewhat half-heartedly, kind of knowing I wouldn't receive. Sure enough, I didn't receive answers (or if I did, didn't recognise them as such, as distinct from my own imagination or thoughts). For a long time I was disheartened by the continual urging to "go within", knowing it was pointless unless I actually received answers. At the mere suggestion of "going within", my reaction became one of rejection, knowing I wouldn't receive answers, thus considering it pointless. I still have this attitude to a great degree, which is not a happy state of affairs. So for a long time now, I have not been meditating or even attempting to "go within" for answers.

    More recently, I did "go within", outside of a formal meditation session, and received answers. On both occasions I had lost things my wife had "tidied up for me", not telling me where they were. In one instance, I recevied an image of where the item was, but on going there, still couldn't find it. I had to ask my wife. (It was something that had been missing a long time and on first asking a while back, she didn't know either.) On second asking she remembered, and had put it exactly where I was directed to, but hidden well enough for me still not to find it. In this instance, I was aware of the moment of receiving the answer, that it was an answer, and that it arrived as a "packy". I had good certainty of this.

    I was rather thrilled to know that certainly in one instance, it was proved beyond reasonable doubt I had requested and been given an answer by "going within". This got me excited.

    But other than these two occasions (which I feel were given for demonstration purposes, as they were trivial requests), I haven't generally been able to discern answers given to questions I posed as part of "going within".

    So despite these two answers given and received, I still feel at a loss as to how to proceed, how to connect with my "higher self" and how to receive answers such that I know an answer has been given and recevied.

    Is there advice you can give for this? Or on how to proceed?

    [PS -- please see additional data relating to this question above/below]
    Last edited by Dave J; 08-29-2015 at 08:09 AM. Reason: spelling correction and postscript


  8. #205
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    Dear Rosie and Seraphin,

    My inquiry relates to past lives. As best I can tell, all of us have experienced numerous previous incarnations during which our problematic emotional issues, negative karmic exchanges and patterns, and life path "missions" went unresolved or unfulfilled.

    I am curious if we are required to reconcile every last bit of karma and negative programming across all lives before advancing on the journey to Paradise and how this process works? If some or all of these unresolved issues are brought forth, it's hard for me to imagine that this all happens at once, during one lifetime. How then does this resolution occur?

    Does the soul select which unresolved issues from past lifetimes it wishes to work through in a life? Does the soul also take on more or less karmic release work depending on whether it intends on clearing undesirable karma and energetic constructs from ancestors or even planets?

    I'm sure the answers will vary for each unique soul but I am hoping for your general insights on this matter. I am grateful for any light you can shed on this topic.


    Jeremy

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  10. #206
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    Dave J, I am going to do a little writing up on "going within" because its not fancy meditation procedures suggested in new age with mass memorized anything. Talking to "god" or whoever answers is not a ritual . It is natural and new age bullshit is screwing it up big time. Its bed time and right now I don't want to write.. but this came out of a discussion with a close friend also tonight. When you make a ritual out of it.. you can be pretty sure you aren't going to here anything...I have lived my whole life this way and did not realize I was meditating in the new age sense of it. drop all that and tomorrow I will attempt something which might be made even better if I go within tonight. Esu and I tried to help some folks years ago and gave it up because of the sense that there is a magic ritual... and there is exactly NO RITUAL... I can tell a funny story tonight though.. I once learned some TM meditation and practiced it in some way in which I was lying on a hard floor... and imagined myself to not feel the floor anymore. Well a person I know walked in and saw me levitating..and asked why I was floating above the floor.... which I had no idea I had done and thats why I didn't feel the floor.. until I went CRASH.. anyway.. because the "trance" as such was broken....but tomorrow won't concern that.. Had I "tried" to levitate.. probably I would never have left the floor.

    There is going to be a discussion coming up Dave.. concerning Johan.. but its not time. There is a reason you heard that admonishment to not meditate. I remember you mentioning that on 8*. At the time I didn't understand why but I understand now...
    Books are not the WORD.. the HUMAN BEING IS THE WORD and when MAN UNDERSTANDS HIS HUMAN ROLE... as the WORD... this planet will come into glory.

    “The ability to observe without evaluating is the highest form of intelligence.” “It is truth that liberates, not your effort to be free.” “The constant assertion of belief is an indication of fear.”
    Jiddu Krishnamurti

    "The human race must become reconciled to a procession of changes, adjustments, and readjustments. Mankind is on the march toward a new and unrevealed planetary destiny."

    "The Great Tao flows everywhere, to the left and to the right. All things depend on it to exist, and it does not abandon them. To its accomplishments it lays no claims. It loves and nourishes all things, but does not lord it over them." - Lao Tzu


  11. #207
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    Re: SERAPHIN answers YOUR QUESTIONS here

    Dear Seraphin, I am very grateful for your explications and advices and I very often find answers in the questions of others which makes me feel so united with all of them.

    In our world there are so many young people who cannot find a job, some because they are living in countries where the economy is down, others because they are studying at universities where a lot of them fail at the exams. Part of them were better off with a more artisanal work but at least in the Western world there is not much esteem for the manual work and it is not so well paid. So the young people are guided to the universities where a lot of them become unhappy.

    What can we do to encourage our children and young people to choose a profession where they can find fulfilment and thus fill this world with joy and not with frustration?

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    Thank you for your reply, Candace.

    Just for clarity, I am practising no ritual. I am not chanting rhymes, contorting my body, saying prayers, humming tones, trancing, invoking spirits, twirling chakras, breathing through my ears, levitating or employing any other such device. It's just me, my mind, and answers to questions we are talking about here.

    I look forward to your write-up on going within, the future discussion on Johan and any light you can shed on being told not to meditate -- if that is for me to hear. Also, what Seraphin through Rosie might have to say.

    Thank you again,

    Dave J

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  15. #209
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    Here is some addtional data related to my question to Seraphin on "going within" (apologies for the continuation):

    On several occasions during meditation, when I was practising such regularly, I received the mental image of a concrete dam. I couldn't see the whole dam, but sensed it was immense, as was the body of water behind it (which I likewise couldn't see). The water created tremendous pressure. The spillways and sluices were dry, save for a few small puddles. Aside from the implied pressure, the scene was peaceful. In this scene, the water represented knowledge. My knowledge.

    This image made a great deal of sense to me and portrays the frustration I have with meditation and "going within": no answers. Or should I say, the answers are there, but it seems I can't have them. There is some emotion connected with this. I can feel it now.
    Last edited by Dave J; 08-29-2015 at 08:11 AM. Reason: Minor addition


  16. #210
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave J View Post
    Thank you for your reply, Candace.

    Just for clarity, I am practising no ritual. I am not chanting rhymes, contorting my body, saying prayers, humming tones, trancing, invoking spirits, twirling chakras, breathing through my ears, levitating or employing any other such device. It's just me, my mind, and answers to questions we are talking about here.

    I look forward to your write-up on going within, the future discussion on Johan and any light you can shed on being told not to meditate -- if that is for me to hear. Also, what Seraphin through Rosie might have to say.

    Thank you again,

    Dave J
    Your being told not to meditate I believe anyway.. was to suggest you not participate with Johan ...... I got blocked with big black walls when I tried to enter his projects which suggested something back then.. but I was confused as to why... I am doing research.. we shall yet what it produces. So I would say go ahead and do your own inner thing..that Johan's were not appropriate to you.. and perhaps your own going within was appropriate.. I am going to ask you to go within... and view it again and discern for yourself what might have been the purpose... Look to see if some darky suggested that too.... In time you will come to KNOW... you might get your answer right away either in mind words or intuition of some sort or it may come later when you are open to the answer. Sometimes the answers don't come right away and come at a time when you are later open....

    I am still fully waiting the information which requires some people hanging around here to be very specific with answers I have asked them to give me and which so far its being avoided in fact.. so I will persist. I hope a particular person who is reading this thread will in fact take notice of this conversation because the truth is still behind blocked doors. Truth FREES... always.... it may not be pretty but having it is freeing. Every time. And that truth this person knows will enable some healing of those involved with Johan in fact...

    I was not implying you had rituals in the teaching but glad you stated you do not for they are not necessary except to some people... for example Catholics do to their training may well benefit from the rosary beads.. as I did during a short time when I was exploring Catholicism when I was age 18 and 19. I later learned of a Catholic life in New Orleans as a free black.. but that was unknown to me consciously at that age... I was mostly exploring it because of an outstanding priest I contacted with while in my first year of college... There are GOOD clerics within religion but I know in these days they are being forced out. But that was my last experience exploring for my own needs any religions.. the rest has been pure research which provided background for this current work and not a personal search for a path to copy... But that outstanding priest at the university I was attending.. set his people free of the dogma who were ready for such.....and was an excellent general advisor to college students and their problems and he was much sought after by a lot of university students....who were not catholics... just searching and in every case that I ran into to.. he taught them to write their own path. If the catholic community or any other religious community benefited them in some way.. fine.. but not to make it the copy cat path. I bet some of those student went on to be clerics doing exactly the same thing.. I almost was one of them.. but I couldn't do religious schooling. So here I am now where I DO FIT.
    Books are not the WORD.. the HUMAN BEING IS THE WORD and when MAN UNDERSTANDS HIS HUMAN ROLE... as the WORD... this planet will come into glory.

    “The ability to observe without evaluating is the highest form of intelligence.” “It is truth that liberates, not your effort to be free.” “The constant assertion of belief is an indication of fear.”
    Jiddu Krishnamurti

    "The human race must become reconciled to a procession of changes, adjustments, and readjustments. Mankind is on the march toward a new and unrevealed planetary destiny."

    "The Great Tao flows everywhere, to the left and to the right. All things depend on it to exist, and it does not abandon them. To its accomplishments it lays no claims. It loves and nourishes all things, but does not lord it over them." - Lao Tzu

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  18. #211
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    Re: SERAPHIN answers YOUR QUESTIONS here

    Answer to Dave from Seraphin

    Greetings to you Dave of the great potential still “contained“ behind the wall but which – should you allow it to flow – will expand hugely and IN FULL SIGHT. The "dam“ symbolises your thought constructs, your imaginings of how things should be, your tendency to follow what others offer as advice, your tendency to keep in the background and puzzle things out yourself, rather than tear the walls down regardless of what others think and say.

    Be aware of your thought processes: if you harbour the conviction that you “know you will not receive“, then that is what will manifest. If there is fear about what might or might not be revealed, you will not want to accept the truth even if fit raises its head. If you approach mediation in a formal way, then you may expect formal, comprehensive or perfect or conventional replies, according to your perception. But this would mean that YOUR PARTICIPATION IS NOT INCLUDED. YOU MUST MAKE THE ASSOCIATION AND INTERPRET WHAT IS SHOWN TO YOU.

    In your case, it may be best to delete the word “meditation“ from your vocabulary as there are so many associations connected with it. Try to see the whole thing in a completely causal and unorganised manner. It is like walking down a street and suddenly walking up to a front door of a house and ringing the bell because you suspect that your friend might be at home, and you have something in your heart which you would like to discuss.

    The only difference is that – in the scenario of connecting to the DIVINE – THERE IS ALWAYS SOMEONE AT HOME. THE DOOR WILL ALWAYS OPEN. AND THE FRIEND INSIDE WILL ALWAYS HAVE THE RIGHT ANSWER FOR YOU. It is that simple.

    Your world is so OVERLOADED with all sort of layers of disinformation and also attempts to make money (yes, the MEDITATION SCENE, where learning this costs money, is also part of that), and it is necessary to CLEAR all these vestiges from your mind completely.

    This is a PERSONAL CONNECTION and there are no rules. It is a connection which YOU YOURSELF CREATE, just as you create everything else which happens in your life. If it works for you, you can imagine that a PINK ELEPHANT OPENS THAT DOOR and that he speaks to you in a language you do not understand, and that you then draw your own conclusions from the TONE of his answers.

    You can imagine that this is a door of a large castle and that it takes HOURS to find the throne room where the King will provide the answers to your questions, but you might find that IN THE COURSE OF WALKING LOST DOWN THE CORRIDORS, answers or ideas may come. You may imagine going through that dour and instantly falling into a very very deep hole so that you spend all that time falling wondering when the crash will be and what you will land on, and in the intensity of those moments, the saving truth may come to you.

    Do you see where I am going with this? I repeat that THERE ARE NO RULES, AND NO CERTAIN TIME TO DO THIS, AND NO NEED FOR LONG HOURS OF SITTING AND “TRYING“ to meditate. Apart from visualisations like the ones I have just mentioned, pay attention in your waking state which can turn into a continuous “meditative” state of PAYING ATTENTION TO ONE'S STEPS from a rather objective point of view, seeing oneself as a stranger going down certain paths and reflecting on that.

    If you received a certain “message“ not to participate in AH meditations at that time, it is because that was very structured. THIS WOULD HAVE BEEN NO GOOD FOR YOU, BECAUSE YOU HAD ALREADY DEVELOPPED YOUR OWN STRUCTURES AND IDEAS AND WOULD NOT WELL FIT INTO THIS PARTICULAR COURSE OF INSTRUCTION AT THAT TIME. While it may have helped others, in ways that they themselves decided, this was not for you at this time. You are a strong individual and must follow your own path with determination.

    You mention being at a loss of how to proceed. We advise you not to think about the HOW and just to plunge into LIFE IN ALL ITS FULLNESS. Do not hold anything back. Do not be the DAM which holds back your vitality. This applies to all areas of life. To live in FULLNESS is to be an EXAMPLE to others around you, to act as a CATALYST for the journey of others. And it will also move you from a place of hesitation and worry to a place of confidence and GREAT JOY. We thank you for bringing up your personal story, as we know it will help others here on their path.



    Greetings Seraphin, and many thanks to yourself and Rosie for appearing here and answering these many questions. I feel this is a tremendous opportunity for all.

    My question relates to "going within", the importance of which has been greatly stressed of late, and which you have mentioned in several of your excellent responses.

    In my early days of AH, I participated in the directed meditations organised by Johan. I felt able to engage in these, but during one meditation I received the words, "meditation is not for you", after which, I stopped. After Johan's departure, the emphasis was more on going within and seeking answers. I tried this, somewhat half-heartedly, kind of knowing I wouldn't receive. Sure enough, I didn't receive answers (or if I did, didn't recognise them as such, as distinct from my own imagination or thoughts). For a long time I was disheartened by the continual urging to "go within", knowing it was pointless unless I actually received answers. At the mere suggestion of "going within", my reaction became one of rejection, knowing I wouldn't receive answers, thus considering it pointless. I still have this attitude to a great degree, which is not a happy state of affairs. So for a long time now, I have not been meditating or even attempting to "go within" for answers.

    More recently, I did "go within", outside of a formal meditation session, and received answers. On both occasions I had lost things my wife had "tidied up for me", not telling me where they were. In one instance, I recevied an image of where the item was, but on going there, still couldn't find it. I had to ask my wife. (It was something that had been missing a long time and on first asking a while back, she didn't know either.) On second asking she remembered, and had put it exactly where I was directed to, but hidden well enough for me still not to find it. In this instance, I was aware of the moment of receiving the answer, that it was an answer, and that it arrived as a "packy". I had good certainty of this.

    I was rather thrilled to know that certainly in one instance, it was proved beyond reasonable doubt I had requested and been given an answer by "going within". This got me excited.

    But other than these two occasions (which I feel were given for demonstration purposes, as they were trivial requests), I haven't generally been able to discern answers given to questions I posed as part of "going within".

    So despite these two answers given and received, I still feel at a loss as to how to proceed, how to connect with my "higher self" and how to receive answers such that I know an answer has been given and recevied.

    Is there advice you can give for this? Or on how to proceed?

    [PS -- please see additional data relating to this question above/below]Here is some addtional data related to my question to Seraphin on "going within" (apologies for the continuation):

    On several occasions during meditation, when I was practising such regularly, I received the mental image of a concrete dam. I couldn't see the whole dam, but sensed it was immense, as was the body of water behind it (which I likewise couldn't see). The water created tremendous pressure. The spillways and sluices were dry, save for a few small puddles. Aside from the implied pressure, the scene was peaceful. In this scene, the water represented knowledge. My knowledge.

    This image made a great deal of sense to me and portrays the frustration I have with meditation and "going within": no answers. Or should I say, the answers are there, but it seems I can't have them. There is some emotion connected with this. I can feel it now.


  19. #212
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    Thank you for this thread, Seraphin & Rosie. It is incredible.

    I have heard the term higher self many times but I'm not exactly sure what it means. Would you explain what my higher self is and also my relationship to my higher self. Perhaps, if I understood this relationship better I would be able to communicate with him/her/it a little better.

    L&L Paul

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  21. #213
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    Greetings Rosie & Seraphim. Thank you for this service you are providing

    For those of us hoping to return to be part of the positive changes my question is....
    what sort of climatic conditions can we expect on return or soon after..
    Candace has indicated the planet will eventually have a more moderate climate
    with less extremes than at present. Are we likely to see that in the short term
    once Gaia has adjusted to the necessary unsettling or is this more likely several years hence.. ?

    Thank you
    Brian

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  23. #214
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    HERE I AM AGAIN in wonderment mode:

    1-We here in material existence all make mistakes thorough lack of information (ignorance)
    2-We also sometimes make mistakes knowing better.


    A-I would like to ask: If we return for "whatever" reason to support and find ourselves in 1 or 2
    B-Could a broader expose be done for "A" for sojourn in higher places

    An example might be a person responsible for an extraction craft in an evacuation & failing. How is this handled concerning 1 & 2 ?



    It has been a concern for some time that I will perform as I intend. It is the people around affected that is the concern.
    I am not wishing , hoping, planning for such an event. I see others struggling with the same issue. I am trying to find the line where human failing is crossed to a better place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BeeGee View Post
    Greetings Rosie & Seraphim. Thank you for this service you are providing

    For those of us hoping to return to be part of the positive changes my question is....
    what sort of climatic conditions can we expect on return or soon after..
    Candace has indicated the planet will eventually have a more moderate climate
    with less extremes than at present. Are we likely to see that in the short term
    once Gaia has adjusted to the necessary unsettling or is this more likely several years hence.. ?

    Thank you
    Brian
    as to the future climate.. that happens when the planet has no tilt.... and I don't know when that will happen....not until monopolarity... our 4 seasons many experience are related to being tilted. And our tilt is directly related to this abusive world. So is a lot of the weather in terms of Momma cleansing that abuse.

    So otherwise when we come back I have no idea.. Haven't asked .. so maybe Seraphin can say something.
    Books are not the WORD.. the HUMAN BEING IS THE WORD and when MAN UNDERSTANDS HIS HUMAN ROLE... as the WORD... this planet will come into glory.

    “The ability to observe without evaluating is the highest form of intelligence.” “It is truth that liberates, not your effort to be free.” “The constant assertion of belief is an indication of fear.”
    Jiddu Krishnamurti

    "The human race must become reconciled to a procession of changes, adjustments, and readjustments. Mankind is on the march toward a new and unrevealed planetary destiny."

    "The Great Tao flows everywhere, to the left and to the right. All things depend on it to exist, and it does not abandon them. To its accomplishments it lays no claims. It loves and nourishes all things, but does not lord it over them." - Lao Tzu

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    Hi, Its me once again, Thank you both for your great job and service, today I want to share a thought that came to me and I think I sensed with my heart first, maybe it was from my Higher self, That night the phrase : WE ARE MORE CAPABLE THAN WE THINK came to me, and I have realized that most of us are dormant regarding the capable we are, we just don't take advantage of the gifts from GOD.

    Dear Seraphin, can you expand on this?

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  29. #217
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    Answer from Seraphin

    Greetings to you dear Edy:

    I feel that this question needs to be answered right away, although there are others waiting in the "pipeline". I would ask everyone who is reading here to know for a CERTAIN FACT that YOU ARE MUCH MORE CAPABLE THAN YOU THINK. The simple fact that you are reading this, with the intention of acquiring a deeper understanding of your world and its potential and its next step (really we should say "her, as Gaia's body is the earth), is already proof that you are in searching mode and that you have already ACQUIRED a great deal of knowledge, together with the knowledge THAT THERE IS MORE TO LEARN. If you can convey this to those who suddenly appear in front of you REQUIRING HELP, you can say this with absolute confidence: THAT THERE IS SO MUCH MORE TO LEARN AND SO MANY EXITING NEW PERSPECTIVES TO DISCOVER. This alone will raise their hopes and help them to move forward in a time where they have to LEAVE EVERYTHING BEHIND. Thus I am confident that you will all RISE TO THE OCCASION.

    A note here also on your use of the phrase "higher self" which- as one questioner (edited to say NAMED PAUL) has mentioned - is used frequently. In this particular example, Edy received a sentence or message or sign from A HIGHER PLACE, A PLACE OF HIGHER KNOWLEDGE, A HIGHER SELF which suddenly popped into his mind while actually operating on a "lower" level of consciousness. If the connection is consciously sought, during quiet moments of the day, it becomes stronger and thoughts such as this which feel like wise comments which one would not normally say, will become more frequent.

    Regarding GIFTS FROM GOD as referenced by Edy in his last sentence, we would like to state that these are not "gifts from God" which some people receive and others do not. This would make a division into those who are favoured and those who are victims. The talents and abilities you possess are DEVELOPED BY YOURSELVES THROUGH YOUR OWN WORK AND MERIT. In the case of young children who appear to have "special gifts", they bring over special knowledge and capabilities from previous incarnations. While they still have to learn the ropes in this incarnation, it comes to them easily, They have a special affinity with it and can develop rapidly.



    Quote Originally Posted by Edyinlight View Post
    Hi, Its me once again, Thank you both for your great job and service, today I want to share a thought that came to me and I think I sensed with my heart first, maybe it was from my Higher self, That night the phrase : WE ARE MORE CAPABLE THAN WE THINK came to me, and I have realized that most of us are dormant regarding the capable we are, we just don't take advantage of the gifts from GOD.

    Dear Seraphin, can you expand on this?


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    ANSWER FROM SERAPHIN:

    Greetings to you, BG, and our thanks go to our sister Candace for her comments on this.

    The tilt of your earth is indeed related to the WEIGHT BOURNE BY YOUR MOTHER GAIA, and this is meant in the MENTAL SENSE in that she bears the very great burden of your negative thougths and actions and abuse over a very long period of time. YES, ABUSE. You have collectively abused her body and now - during this window of opportunity on many levels - she is choosing to RISE ABOVE THAT NEGATIVITY which has been dragging her down and make her "tilt" (Just as you yourselves might walk slowly, hanging your head in sorrow, if you have been verbally abused, and even more so if you have been physically abused).

    The planetary body of Gaia is huge, and while we have expereinced teams monitioring her movements, and who will be on call during her rebalancing period, and while they will be able to "tweak" certain situations to aid the process, NOTHING IS SET IN STONE and the progress made will be influenced by many factors. In addition, THE FASTER YOU LEARN TO CLEAR YOUR NEGATIVITY, THE FASTER SHE WILL RECOVER, since you are - as inhabitants - intricately connected. We do anticipate a much changed landscape and a changed climate for the better, yet the pace of this cannot be determined in advance. The team in charge of this is very experienced and also has considerable technology which can assist.


    Quote Originally Posted by Candace View Post
    as to the future climate.. that happens when the planet has no tilt.... and I don't know when that will happen....not until monopolarity... our 4 seasons many experience are related to being tilted. And our tilt is directly related to this abusive world. So is a lot of the weather in terms of Momma cleansing that abuse.

    So otherwise when we come back I have no idea.. Haven't asked .. so maybe Seraphin can say something.

    Quote Originally Posted by BeeGee View Post
    Greetings Rosie & Seraphim. Thank you for this service you are providing

    For those of us hoping to return to be part of the positive changes my question is....
    what sort of climatic conditions can we expect on return or soon after..
    Candace has indicated the planet will eventually have a more moderate climate
    with less extremes than at present. Are we likely to see that in the short term
    once Gaia has adjusted to the necessary unsettling or is this more likely several years hence.. ?

    Thank you
    Brian


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    Seraphin's answer

    Greetings to you, Jeremy, who has deep concern about karmic issues. Imagine all the different lives you have gone through and all the myriad experiences. These can not all "fit" into your present brain capacity as a human being in this life, and so indeed you have chosen - from a wealth of possibilities - which experience you wish to improve upon this time around. This means in effect, having a similar experience but DEALING WITH IT BETTER THAN THE LAST TIME.

    This does not mean DEALING WITH IT PERFECTLY, for the situation is another, and with hindsight there is always a better way to deal with a problem. THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT YOU ARE DOING HERE, IN FACT; LOOKING AT AN ISSUE WITH HINDSIGHT, and attempting to liberate yourself from that experience so that less "karma" is carried on and over into the next incarcnation.

    This recognition that something may actually REQUIRE a further deeper look into your behaviour might actually not occur during the lifetime itself but INBETWEEN. This is where you - with asisstance from your guides and other beings - make your decisions of what to experience next. This is not so much of a deleting of negative information forever and ever until the slate is absolutely clean, because in the course of upcoming lives you will - by your own choice - again be challenged by circumstances, and because you have always chosen NEW LEARNING EXPERIENCES you cannot anticipate that your responses will be perfect.

    The whole essence of this journey IS THAT IT IS A JOURNEY WHICH EVER CONTINUES: so we are talking about the journey to Paradise AND BEYOND as a continuing and ever improving DEMONSTRATION of optimal behaviour IN THE CIRCUMSTANCES WHICH CAN BE ANTICIPATED BUT NOT METICULOUSLY PLANNED. Especially the reactions of the persons you encounter cannot be meticulously planned. This is more like a steady refining rather than a sense of "OK. Now I have dealt with that fully, so I will never have to encounter similar again." This whole path is the journey to Paradise. It is not required to completely resolve everything before starting the journey. If negative behavioural patterns are all erradicated, YOU ARE ALREADY THERE. And as already said, once having achieved Paradise does not mean that you will never be confronted by difficult issues again.

    With regard to taking on undesirable karma of others, this can be done, in order to push oneself further up the ladder, so to speak, as in a service rendered. Sometimes this can also be personally damaging and so this is a question to be considered before the life begins. Regarding planets, Gaia is part of you and you are part of Gaia. Your behaviour affects her whether you are aware of it or not. A desire to help her will surely not go unnoticed.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremy View Post
    Dear Rosie and Seraphin,

    My inquiry relates to past lives. As best I can tell, all of us have experienced numerous previous incarnations during which our problematic emotional issues, negative karmic exchanges and patterns, and life path "missions" went unresolved or unfulfilled.

    I am curious if we are required to reconcile every last bit of karma and negative programming across all lives before advancing on the journey to Paradise and how this process works? If some or all of these unresolved issues are brought forth, it's hard for me to imagine that this all happens at once, during one lifetime. How then does this resolution occur?

    Does the soul select which unresolved issues from past lifetimes it wishes to work through in a life? Does the soul also take on more or less karmic release work depending on whether it intends on clearing undesirable karma and energetic constructs from ancestors or even planets?

    I'm sure the answers will vary for each unique soul but I am hoping for your general insights on this matter. I am grateful for any light you can shed on this topic.


    Jeremy


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    To Edy on those gifts from God... this is a statement that still puts GOD outside the human being and up in the sky per my often usage on forums... on You tube where there are collections of the beautiful singing of todays young star seeds or older souls... it is said gift of God and in every case I post that it is the gift on the incarnating entity... my words can very a bit on that depending on what is posted.

    The is not yet a 5d world on average beause to many still make God having 2 legs and up in the sky in their expression. They will call themselves "children of god" but cannot accept sons of god... and the fact they are Father indwelt... Its very far away and I think its time for everyone here to stop making God somewhere up in the sky.... And speak that truth of being Father indwelt. I like seraphins suggested commentary to others that I am not sure was in the reply to you or the other piece I have read just now.

    I believe we have to stop with "god bless you" and find some other comment. Because people take it as sky god. Those indwelt are always blessed by their indwelling father and their assistant guides and angels... Always.... they need to have this conveyed to them... Just about everyone and many of them very lovingly who have said God Bless YOU to me.. mean that sky god up there.

    5d Consciousness is the knowing that the Human being is Father indwelt by whatever terminology. With 6d consciousness comes that real communication with he who indwells you and advanced 6d brings about the willing decision to merge with that Father and become a real son of god.... It is a choice presented in great reality once 6d level is reached... and this does write the fused being into the book of life and a stellar name recorded in which this ascendant person has some input into what it well be.

    Christ Michael has taught thru me and we have often discussed personally various topics around this.. that he himself is still "learning".. and earth is a special experimental planet with the goal of producing 5d conscious faster... and it is working I am told and that proof so to speak for the aware.. is where our higher animals are.. who are not only almost human and getting ready for that first experience but some are actually tender humans now with TA's before they leave the animal form... this with the still somewhat small brains they have....I am witness to this personally as I have recorded.. and I told the recently story with my little Peppi in OUR PETS threads,....that was a wondrous day as it ended although tough in part of it.. watching her passing. She went directly that day into human baby format in a nice spiritual family who should be good parents for this first experience.

    Mantustia expressed he wanted to just blow up this world long ago... and was over ridden by Siraya the 7th Master Spirit... and thus a wondrous new journey he is having himself in the guidance of this "saved" world.... I should spend some time discussing with Siraya why he over rode the Ancients of Days...

    WE NEED TO STARTING PUTTING GOD WHERE HE IS... True these celestials represent God and CM per the peoples understanding is GOD of Nebadon...as its Creator Being, but God indwells man. And that means something.

    Rosie pointed out the night of her introduction that the human child is born a creator and the proof is in the use of crayons to draw pictures...And we have elephants now painting pictures.... quite good ones in some of them. We had one here in Denver that has passed I am pretty sure and I assume perhaps starting that real human journey.

    I wrote a comment in some thread on Glp the other day that expressed why does God allow evil in this world.. it was spontaneous.. just flowed and I quickly put in my signature file there...

    This is the total of my current signature file .. the selection on top the new one. Actually I realize I put that in a prayer thread... after reading the other thread.

    **********************************

    My prayer is for all those that whine about what GOD ISN'T DOING all the while NOT REALIZING THEY ARE THE GOD THAT CREATED the PROBLEM THAT GOD IS NOT DOING ANYTHING ABOUT.

    Books are not the WORD.. the HUMAN BEING IS THE WORD and when MAN UNDERSTANDS HIS HUMAN ROLE... as the WORD... this planet will come into glory.

    Romans 8.14 For as many as are led by the Indwelling Spirit of the Father, they are the sons of God.

    "The human race must become reconciled to a procession of changes, adjustments, and readjustments. Mankind is on the march toward a new and unrevealed planetary destiny."
    Books are not the WORD.. the HUMAN BEING IS THE WORD and when MAN UNDERSTANDS HIS HUMAN ROLE... as the WORD... this planet will come into glory.

    “The ability to observe without evaluating is the highest form of intelligence.” “It is truth that liberates, not your effort to be free.” “The constant assertion of belief is an indication of fear.”
    Jiddu Krishnamurti

    "The human race must become reconciled to a procession of changes, adjustments, and readjustments. Mankind is on the march toward a new and unrevealed planetary destiny."

    "The Great Tao flows everywhere, to the left and to the right. All things depend on it to exist, and it does not abandon them. To its accomplishments it lays no claims. It loves and nourishes all things, but does not lord it over them." - Lao Tzu


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    Hi Rosie and Seraphin,

    i do wonder about birth: i have been born prematurly, 3 months earlier than the given time frame. My older brother and only sibling was born 2 to 3 weeks later. Curiously his oldest daughter, now 3, was also born 2 weeks later.

    why are those earlier birth or later birth occurring, do they have a spiritual reason ?. Are they genetically ?.
    While we have the technology now to preserve the life of those earlier born, it wasnt so in the past so anyone born prematurly would maybe not survive the birth itself.

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    Please refrain from asking new questions until this present answering session has finished. You will see a green GO sign which signfies this. With deep gratitude for taking part in this thread. My thanks go especially to those who air their very personal concerns here, as this assists not only themselves but also the learning process for others here. Love Rosie

    Below is Anette’s question in German. She asks about plants considered poisonous and informs us about the sudden telepathic contact she had with a plant known as common ragwort. Anette was worried because there was a ragwort growing on the field where her horse grazed. The ragwort asked if it was allowed to stay in the field, and although Anette felt uneasy she recognised that this plant also had a right to be there. She said it could stay. The following year, there was no ragwort in the field. Anette asks whether poisonous plants are really poisonous and whether we have assessed them wrongly.

    Seraphin’s Answer

    Greetings to you, Anette whose concern for both the animal world and the plant world and the problems therein have brought you to this point. This is why you were contacted by this plant being – in order to serve as a mediator of sorts. Your knowledge of horses and what may afflict them has spurred you on to consider everything which is detrimental to their health. It is this investigative approach which is also extremely necessary in the area of human health where this is still sadly lacking, as it is a realm dominated by financial concerns. Love has little part in this scenario.

    It is the case on other planets that the plant world and animal world and all other beings are in complete harmony. As she writes, this scribe has just been bitten by an ant. Even these small occurrences do not occur in the higher vibrations, for each is aware of the potential damage which one could cause to the next.

    The plant being which contacted you did so out of a CALL OF CONSCIENCE, with the knowledge that it could – if consumed in large quantities – damage the health of the grazers. Developing a conscience is part of the spiritual journey – an essential part, we may add. It means that you will consider ALL the consequences of your actions, instead of simply regarding the benefit for yourselves.

    Consider also that this is a CO-CREATIVE SITUATION and that not only the ragwort but also the horses are involved. If their sensibility is so finely developed that they intuitively KNOW which plant can nurture them, and which plant can harm them, then they would automatically limit their intake and graze selectively.

    The parallel on the human level of behaviour on earth can be seen here too. There are many poisons which human beings ingest and which do not kill them (ingestion of the ragwort is poisonous only IN LARGE QUANTITIES) but the potential for causing an end to their life-stream is a given. If the individual decides to overdose, that may be the result. Thus, this is their responsibility and their choice.

    It is essential, as always to understand that you live in an INTERCONNECTED WORLD, and one in which RESPECT and a certain MODERATION IN CONSUMING AND CONSUMPTION will help to assure overall balance.

    Lieber Seraphin,

    meine Frage bezieht sich auf den Umgang mit unseren Pflanzen, besonders mit den sogenannten Unkräutern beim Kulturanbau, und denen die als giftig eingestuft werden.
    Vor einiger Zeit hatte ich einen telepathischen Kontakt mit einem Pflanzenwesen, bzw. ein Pflanzenwesen hat sich bei mir gemeldet, es war das Jakobskreuzkraut. Dieses gilt bei uns hier auf der Erde als höchst giftig für die Tiere und ist somit auf den Wiesen allgemein nicht gewünscht.
    Eine dieser Pflanzen wuchs auf meiner Pferdewiese und somit wurde ich mit dem Thema konfrontiert. Ich mochte das Jakobskreuzkraut nicht einfach entfernen, da sie ja, wie andere Pflanzen auch, ein Recht auf Leben hat. Ich merkte aber auch, dass ich noch etwas Unsicher war in Bezug auf die Pferde, die sich evtl. vergiften könnten.
    Dieses Pflanzenwesen fragte dann bei mir an, ob es auf der Wiese sein kann, und ich konnte zu dem Zeitpunkt nichts anderes als zu antworten, dass sie da sein darf, sich aber nicht vermehren soll. Daraufhin wuchs die Pflanze im nächsten Jahr nicht mehr auf der Wiese.

    Irgendwie habe ich Zweifel daran, dass die sogenannten Giftpflanzen grundsätzlich giftig sind und ich glaube, dass wir ihnen Unrecht tun.


    Vielleicht kannst Du uns etwas dazu sagen und auch dazu, wie es mit der Verbindung zu dem Pflanzenwesen ist, bzw. kommt. Ich war sehr überrascht als sich dieses Wesen bei mir meldete.

    In Liebe

    Anette

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    Please refrain from asking new questions until this present answering session has finished. You will see a green GO sign which signfies this. With deep gratitude for taking part in this thread. My thanks go especially to those who air their very personal concerns here, as this assists not only themselves but also the learning process for others here. Love Rosie

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    Greetings to you Ulrike. Your concern for the fate of your young people is commendable since they are indeed on the wrong tracks - tracks which have been laid down carefully in order to ensnare them (AND ALL OF YOU). Once one finds oneself on these tracks, it is difficult to assert oneself and get off, and even more difficult to admit THAT ONE WAS RIDING THE WRONG TRAIN. It is very easy to follow a certain "career" or "expectation" if it is laid down before you. Every effort is made to push young people into avenues where they are easily controllable. This includes their dependence on money. Earning money is presented as THE ANSWER TO ALL PROBLEMS, whereas it is actually THE SOURCE OF ALL PROBLEMS. To erradicate it from your society completely would mean a great spiritual upsurge, living as communities who do nothing but CONTRIBUTE and SHARE evenly.

    Wisdom and experience is not on a par with a university degree. This can only be gained through your OWN EXPERIENCE AND LEARNING PROCESSES. Of course it is beneficial to study in certain areas, and much information can be gained, but it is the PRACTICAL IMPLEMENTATION of this which proves to you whether this is a RELEVANT, POSITIVE and EFFECTIVE field of study which BENEFITS ALL.

    As you live in human forms, the human aspect which involves movement and bodily functions and relating to each other on a physical level in a physical world, is paramount. It is not enough to philosophise and remove oneself from those who you may consider to be on a "lower" intellectual level, or to move only in certain "higher" level of society.

    Ideally, the practical skills will be part of future schooling. Apart from the useful aspect of such acquired prowess, this encourages also the feeling of self worth of the students. They can see the RESULTS of their learning as translated into the physical. They are appreciated for what they produce and how they contribute. They learn the joy of co-creation and the joy of celebrating the success of joint projects. They can also SEE that they have had a positive effect on the WHOLE, instead of beavering away by themselves and in constant competition and in constant fear of others.

    It is not by chance that young people today feel discouraged and at a loss in the system they find themselves. The system must be changed and the focus of educational institutions must be changed. Destruction of old systems of thought and the introduction of new information should revolutionise this is the near future.

    Concerning fulfillment, this is found by young people when they DISCOVER THEIR REAL DIVINE VOCATION and their usefulness to others. To be in service is the greatest joy. Following WHAT ONE REALLY WANTS TO DO and LETTING YOUR ENTHUSIASM LEAD YOU ALONG YOUR CHOSEN PATH means that EVERY DAY IS LOOKED FORWARD TO, instead of counting the days till the weekend begins.

    Why is it, Beloveds, that so many people in your world have depressions on monday mornings? In this new renewed world we are presenting you with here, this will be a phenomenon of the past. Neither will unemployment ever be a problem again. Each will have the RESPONSIBILITY to search out something which will contribute to everything working like the many cogs of a great machine. Employment and unemployment are words which it would be good to strike from your normal vocabulary. We favour "contribution" and "vocation" and "service". Imagine that you are asked this question: WHAT SERVICE DO YOU PERFORM?, instead of WHAT JOB DO YOU DO? This is the new slant we would like to put on your present "working" lives.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ulrike View Post
    Dear Seraphin, I am very grateful for your explications and advices and I very often find answers in the questions of others which makes me feel so united with all of them.

    In our world there are so many young people who cannot find a job, some because they are living in countries where the economy is down, others because they are studying at universities where a lot of them fail at the exams. Part of them were better off with a more artisanal work but at least in the Western world there is not much esteem for the manual work and it is not so well paid. So the young people are guided to the universities where a lot of them become unhappy.

    What can we do to encourage our children and young people to choose a profession where they can find fulfilment and thus fill this world with joy and not with frustration?


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    Answer from Seraphin

    Greetings to you Paul: some of this has been addressed in a previous question, but we would like to add that the term used (Higher Self and similar) is less important in itself, and more important as a divine aspect of yourself which it is everyone's task to try and INTEGRATE into your daily living so that you are ONE, so that your intuition is always finely tuned, as opposed to only in certain reflective or intuitive moments.

    This means that each step you take - whether physical or mental, will be in a frame of mind which involves care, love, self-confidence and integrity. Above all, watchfulness and mindfulness (a quality often advocated by the Buddhist path) is a quality which abounds in this state of being.

    An intense awareness of DIVINE SYNCHRONICITY is another. This does not mean that you dwell on every small event, watching in fear for something which indicates that something foreboding is going to happen, but moving forward with ones EYES OPEN and noticing anything which suddenly jumps out at you as being significant. Even if the meaning of this does not strike you immediately, you may find out later as you embody more and more of your "higher self" into your lower self, as you are more and more connected, as you are more and more aligned with the directives and intentions and purpose of the higher self which is guided by the highest motives and principles.

    Regarding communication; imagine that you have a best friend who is always considerate, always offers good advice, who is always compassionate and who is ALWAYS THERE FOR YOU, WHATEVER TIME OF THE DAY OR NIGHT. When you have issues to solve, just talk to this "higher" part of yourself as you would talk to this friend. The more you do this, the deeper your trust in this friend will develop. This is what is meant by DEVELOPPING THE INNER CONNECTION, or hearing the INNER VOICE. As we already said, the designation is not so important. It is YOUR STRIVING TO CONNECT TO IT WHICH SHOULD BE THE FOCUS, especially advised for these times.

    [
    QUOTE=observer;38338]Thank you for this thread, Seraphin & Rosie. It is incredible.

    I have heard the term higher self many times but I'm not exactly sure what it means. Would you explain what my higher self is and also my relationship to my higher self. Perhaps, if I understood this relationship better I would be able to communicate with him/her/it a little better.

    L&L Paul[/QUOTE]


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    ANSWER FROM SERAPHIN

    Greetings to you Van of the analytical mind with respect to the area of "human failing" which we would rather refer to as "human progress".

    To fail, in the minds of many, is a very negatively nuanced word. It is used often in connection with failing to pass a test or an examination. Consider the situation on more spiritually advanced planets: while examinations can be set in the persuit of finding excellence, and in the persuit of finding optimal candidates for certain areas of service, they do not at the same time "condemn" those who "do not get the grade" to other areas in which they are not interested, or which they consider more demeaning than the one attempted. Each is placed according to their ability and each is respected for that contribution. All wish to increase the quality of their service and use all opportunities to do so.

    The challenge is to change your world from one which divides people into winners and losers into a population which is steadily searching and putting energy into their desired avenue of service. This is not a race course with cut off times or those who fail to make the finishing line or who collapse in a heap en route. It is a continous journey WHERE EVERYONE MOVES AT THE PACE OF THE SLOWEST. We mean this in the sense that the "slowest", or the one whose PROGRESS is moving forward BUT AT NOT SUCH A GREAT SPEED, is as much part of the community as those spearheading its progress.

    That there may be "mistakes" on the way due to lack of information is more of a problem on your world as opposed to these other planets, as there is deliberate attempt to misrepresent and to HIDE PERTINENT INFORMATION. Yet still, the searching mind on whatever level can be sharpened to peel the layers of dirt away. This is not dependent on intellect, but often on plain common sense and on taking a little bit of time to COMPARE and REMEMBER instead of simply saying THERE MUST BE AN EXPLANATION FOR THIS SOMEHOW, and leave it at that. This is called intellectual laziness.

    It is not possible to make a "mistake" knowing better. If you know better, to continue doing something which you KNOW to be wrong is a deliberate negative action for which the negative consequences will be reaped by the individual perpetrating them.

    What is "lack of information"? With the gift of your internet, so much information (and disinformation) can be accessed. To sort that out, your effort and discernment is required. In addition (and indeed as a very important complement to this) you also have the option of "going within" to receive the intuitive answer through your connection to the DIVINE LIBRARY OF KNOWLEDGE which is installed for this planet.

    Concerning your intention to serve in the best possible capacity, we applaud your intention. More you cannot do than intend this and to react to whatever is presented to you. While you may be familiar with your present surroundings and the people surroundings you, you cannot estimate how they will react under duress and under the sudden revelation of new information which will rock their world. We advise you to do your best, as you are doing, and to let go of any worries or worrying scenarios which are occupying (and perhaps also obstructing) your thoughts. Know that your guides are and will always be present in order to help you - whether you are aware of them or not - when the moment comes. To worry is to start reacting in fearful ways BEFORE ANYTHING HAS HAPPENED, and this in turn could trigger the "worried" reactions of others. Like attracts like. So move forward, dear Van, in full confidence, and infect those around you with that confidence.



    [QUOTE=VNGNTN1;38391]HERE I AM AGAIN in wonderment mode:

    1-We here in material existence all make mistakes thorough lack of information (ignorance)
    2-We also sometimes make mistakes knowing better.


    A-I would like to ask: If we return for "whatever" reason to support and find ourselves in 1 or 2
    B-Could a broader expose be done for "A" for sojourn in higher places

    An example might be a person responsible for an extraction craft in an evacuation & failing. How is this handled concerning 1 & 2 ?



    It has been a concern for some time that I will perform as I intend. It is the people around affected that is the concern.
    I am not wishing , hoping, planning for such an event. I see others struggling with the same issue. I am trying to find the line where human failing is crossed to a better place.[/QUOTE]

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    Please refrain from asking new questions until this present answering session has finished. You will see a green GO sign which signfies this. With deep gratitude for taking part in this thread. My thanks go especially to those who air their very personal concerns here, as this assists not only themselves but also the learning process for others here. Love Rosie

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    Greetings to you Starcup, whose many questions from many different quarters pour forth like a rainbow (this is the image that this scribe just received as she hooked up to me and to your present question).

    Ponder the fact that your "premature" birth was not actually so, but that as a soul you may have been "mature" enough to surface. Nothing happens by chance, but by divine will and synchronicity. Many premature children have sharp minds and deep spiritual affinities. They wish to "entrer the fray", so to speak, and enter the spiritual arena although their bodies might not be able to deal with the physicality of the situation to an optimal degree. But this does not stop them. If a child wishes to make an appearance, it will do so and use any opportunity given to it. The position of the mother on this - whether conscious or subconscious - is also involved.

    The development of technology has enabled these souls desiring to enter life outside the womb before the "normal" time, to survive as the result of such a choice. The quality of the "genetic" physical material will also have a bearing on this matter.

    Those who are more content to take things slowly, or to "drag their feet" a little, or to stay in their cosy comfort zone (in this case, the womb of the mother) may continue to do so in their physical life, though progress can always be initiated by the soul concerned.

    (
    Note from Rosie: I think that generally, the gestation periods are destined to become shorter as the human race moves into a higher spiritual realm ....)



    Quote Originally Posted by Starcup View Post
    Hi Rosie and Seraphin,

    i do wonder about birth: i have been born prematurly, 3 months earlier than the given time frame. My older brother and only sibling was born 2 to 3 weeks later. Curiously his oldest daughter, now 3, was also born 2 weeks later.

    why are those earlier birth or later birth occurring, do they have a spiritual reason ?. Are they genetically ?.
    While we have the technology now to preserve the life of those earlier born, it wasnt so in the past so anyone born prematurly would maybe not survive the birth itself.

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    GO. NEW QUESTIONS ARE NOW WELCOME. With many thanks for all questions, comments and elucidation, Rosie

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    Greetings Seraphin and Rosie!

    What a marvellous thread, it is so educating to read answers as well as questions here

    Speaking of unborn babies and souls... I often wondered when and how the soul enters the fetus?

    Would you elaborate on this dearest Seraphin?

    Love, Marayah

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    Blessings Seraphin and Rosie

    Every month as a part of my duty is to enter prisons and police detention centers to observe and make reports of the conditions and treatment of the detainees. These reports are submitted to the Custos and they probably ends up with the relevant authorities.

    While interviewing the "hardened ones" they are the loudest in expressions and does the more serious crimes e.g. revenge killings up to murder. The police e.g detectives, at these lock ups told me despite their mentoring on these serious offenders, and once they are released into the society they go back to the same crimes. My question: Are these souls chose these experiences as part of their soul development ? Would the methods like Vipassana Meditation can transmutate their destructive behavior by going deep to their Inner Self? Perhaps you can elaborate on your response.

    Thanks
    Victor

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    Seraphin Message 239: TO THE MESSENGERS OF LIGHT
    Seraphin through Rosie, 1st September 2015

    Yes, it you, dear Children on Earth, to whom we are speaking. If you are reading these words and are filled with the immense possibilities which life can unfold to you, if you feel a quickening impulse within you to do something of REAL LASTING WORTH IN YOUR LIFE WHICH BENEFITS OTHERS, if you dream of huge vistas and endless opportunities, if you imagine yourself celebrating your achievements with others following the climax of your co-creative activities, IT IS YOU WE WISH TO ADDRESS TODAY.

    Who are the messengers of light? It is you who have, whether you remember this choice consciously or subconsciously, CHOSEN to incarnate on this earth at this particular juncture in order to EXPERIENCE these crucial times and in order to REVERSE THE PERILOUS SITUATION CREATED OVER MANY CENTURIES BY THE GLOBAL POPULATION COLLECTIVELY.

    You may look up with surprise when we classify you as a MESSENGER OF LIGHT, for you are too humble to suppose that you are an important personage with such great powers of transformation, YET THIS IS SO. As we move forward in these intense times when all forces – both negative and positive – refine themselves into pure ”good” or pure “evil” – YOUR SPECIFIC SERVICES ARE REQUIRED.

    We encourage you to go into meditation and ask your internal GOD WITHIN why you are here NOW, what experiences you bring with you which are beneficial FOR THIS EXPERIENCE NOW, and in which way you can best PREPARE YOURSELVES, FOR YOU HAVE A VERY IMPORTANT AND ENORMOUS JOB AHEAD OF YOU. Your kindness, your stability, your authority, your integrity, your critical awareness, your fairness, your energy and dedication will all serve to eradicate THE OPPOSITE WHICH PERVADES AND WHICH DESTROYS YOUR WORLD.

    Every move you make which STRENGTHENS these qualities will add to the momentum of change. Often you cannot bear to look at the destruction and perversity around you. There is no need to burden yourselves with this unnecessarily, though a very sharp awareness is necessary. Hold to your principles and your path as never before. We are talking about the TRANSFORMATION OF A PLANET, about THE CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW SOCIETY, which necessarily involves THE DESTRUCTION OF THE OLD.

    Are you still open-mouthed at this revelation of your beauty and significance, oh children of the light? It is time to STEP INTO YOUR GLORY AND SPREAD THE LIGHT WHICH SHINES WITHIN YOU. If it is covered by dross or hidden, LET IT OUT. Release all fear and SPEAK YOUR TRUTH, STATE YOUR OPINIONS AND MAKE YOUR VOICES HEARD.

    You are all unique and placed at certain junctions on the earth’s surface in certain constellations and groups IN ORDER TO HAVE A JOINT SYNERGY EFFECT. SEEK OTHERS OF YOUR ILK. RECOGNISE THOSE WHO OSCILLATE AT THE SAME VIBRATION AS YOURSELVES. Thus will you form support groups so that you can together go out into the world and PROVIDE BEAUTY, JOY AND TRUTH.

    Do not take this message lightly, for you are our very own MESSENGERS OF LIGHT whose memories of WHY they are here and WHAT THEY INTENDED TO DO AS THEIR LIFE’S PURPOSE will return to them as old memories and intentions (pinpointed before the onset of this particular incarnation) resurface. Do not reject the idea that you are simply a character standing on the sidelines of a play in full swing. You have the power to CHANGE THE STORY LINE and PROPEL THE ACTION TO A FINAL AND HAPPY CONCLUSION.

    All stories made in “heaven” (and this is one of them, orchestrated by the celestial hierarchy which oversees the entire universe), have a HAPPY END, BECAUSE THE LIGHT ALWAYS WINS (AND IT WILL WIN OVER THIS ROGUE PLANETARY POPULATION). YOU ARE PART OF THAT TEAM AND WE GREET YOU AND SUPPORT YOU IN THIS GLORIOUS UNDERTAKING. We refer you also to Message 99 which this scribe shall attach. More will become clear as time progresses, but for now we take our leave, Seraphin and the Legion of Light.



    Message 99, 22nd May 2012
    WHAT IS YOUR MESSAGE?

    Dearest Children on Earth who have no trust in your DIVINITY:

    The fact that you are gods of divine origin with divine blueprints has escaped your attention (and this is astonishing for us to watch). Your attention is elsewhere, sucked up by pre-determined activities and amusements.

    Yet if you conduct your searches diligently, seeking that which has been radically and systematically eradicated from your holy books over the centuries, you will discover and retrieve this, YOUR TRUE NATURE, YOUR TRUE RELATIONSHIP TO THE CREATIVE COSMIC SOURCE. While this may be beyond your present comprehension, you are always in a working partnership with Source which is IN YOU and WITH YOU ALWAYS.

    So, as divine messengers, we would like to ask: WHAT IS YOUR MESSAGE? What “vibes” are you sending out into the world around you, and what sort of message does the world REQUIRE so that the vibrations of this planet can be raised to those of complete harmony?

    ARE YOU MAKING A DIFFERENCE? Know that the answer to this question will always be YES. Your messages, words, emotions, actions, insinuations, accusations, congratulations, praises, expressions of gratitude, attempts to reunite, disperse, corrupt, inspire or condemn – ALL THESE ARE MESSAGES WHICH HAVE THEIR EFFECT.

    These may not always be measurable by the human eye in the physical sense, due to your limited or untrained powers of perception in other realms and dimensions as yet unfamiliar to you. However, should you attempt to familiarise yourselves with the world of dreams, meditation and spiritual experience, it will become all too clear that EVERYTHING IS CONNECTED, that EVERYTHING IMPACTS EVERYTHING ELSE, and that your thoughts and intentions MANIFEST AS YOUR OWN CREATIONS 100 % of the time.

    And time itself is merely a RETARDING AGENT BETWEEN THOUGHT CONCEPTION AND THOUGHT MANIFESTATION, FOR THE PURPOSE OF LEARNING: FOR THIS IS WHAT YOU ARE DOING HERE, DEAREST CHILDREN: LEARNING TO BE CREATORS, LEARNING TO BECOME MORE AND MORE LIKE THE ETERNAL CREATIVE SOURCE.

    Your journey, likewise, is eternal. Your imprint in this life is but one footstep on a continued path upwards. You may stop, rearrange, open doors, close doors or take “time-out” on the way, but there will always be a light, an inspiration, a sign, drawing you along into the next experience. Thus you determine your own path and your own happiness, assisted by the heavenly realms which – at this moment – still remain unseen. And by your own decisions, you similarly determine the happiness of those around you.

    So we repeat our question:
    WHAT MESSAGE ARE YOU SENDING?

    Are you sending MESSAGES OF CLARITY, or are they vague and uncommittal?
    Are you sending MESSAGES OF BEAUTY, while ignoring ugliness?
    Are you sending MESSAGES OF ULTIMATE TOLERANCE, allowing others to indulge in unpleasant or perverse behaviour?
    Are you sending MESSAGES OF CONSERVATIVE POLITENESS, bound by rigid structures which you have collectively imposed?
    Are you sending MESSAGES OF BOREDOM, to be relieved only by increased consumerism or physical gratification?
    Or are you sending NO MESSAGE AT ALL, in which case there are others only to happy to fill in this void for you, not always in your best interests.

    The time has come to send HOLY MESSAGES, proclaiming the sanctity of life, the value of integrity, the necessity for full responsibility.

    The time has come to send MESSAGES OF HONESTY, admitting mistakes and revealing corruption.

    The time has come to send MESSAGES OF LOVE, irrespective of the response, irrespective of the degree of forgiveness that this involves.

    Dearest Children of Earth: we urge you to RE-EVALUTE YOUR ROLES AT THIS MOMENTOUS TIME IN YOUR HISTORY. We urge you to RECOGNISE YOUR DIVINE SELVES and your GREAT CREATIVE POWER WHICH WILL CONTRIBUTE TO THE FLOURISHING OF A NEW, PEACEFUL SOCIETY ON EARTH.
    We love you, Seraphin

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    Reply from Seraphin

    Greetings to you Marayah. It seems like a deep mystery, does it not, that life should enter a small and helpless body. And yet this is a process closely overseen by specialists and advisors, and one which is best left to them. This is not my speciality. Although it is beyond the realms of your imagination and beyond the realms of the vocabulary presently at your disposal, know that this happens at exactly the right time for everyone, in alignment with their mandate and the circumstances they have chosen to "surround" and enable their next experience. The timing varies according to individual progress and needs.

    In addition we would like to say that the word "soul" is used in many different ways and also MISUSED, resulting in great confusion. We assume that you mean the lighting of the life spark as in the MIND in a body which so far is limited purely to the physical. The process of actually receiving a GOD SPARK is initiatied by the first moral choice - the first show of conscience - shown by the individual concerned. The full expansion of or saturation with divine spirit is achieved through the continual raising of vibration through loving behaviour and dealing with karmic issues and clearing the path for divine connections to be made. This is a rough description of what your development - if you choose the learning journey - may look like. This scribe will place a couple of useful passages which may help your understanding further.

    Rosie speaking. These are the quotes I have been guided to post:


    "In the case of spiritless people, life begins as follows. As the fetal body gestates in the womb, the soul forms for the first time, like beach sand being gathered into the shape of a castle, and joins to the body. This combination produces rudimentary awareness. After being born, such a person becomes nothing more than a product of genetics and environment due to absence of spirit. Without a spiritual counterweight, biological drives and social programming become their primary impulses in life. Upon physical death their soul evacuates the body, perhaps containing a lingering imprint of the ego, and after some time it disintegrates and is reabsorbed into the lake of energies from which it originally formed. Nothing of their identity survives. For people without spirit, this life is their only one. They form upon entering and dissolve upon leaving. It cannot be otherwise if they lack a core of individualized consciousness"

    (From SPIRITLESS HUMANS, montalk.net, 27 April 2009)


    "Life Carriers can organize the material forms, or physical patterns, of living beings, but the Spirit provides the initial spark of life and bestows the endowment of mind. Even the living forms of experimental life which the Life Carriers organize on their Salvington worlds are always devoid of reproductive powers. When the life formulas and the vital patterns are correctly assembled and properly organized, the presence of a Life Carrier is sufficient to initiate life, but all such living organisms are lacking in two essential attributes — mind endowment and reproductive powers. Animal mind and human mind are gifts of the local universe Mother Spirit, functioning through the seven adjutant mind-spirits, while creature ability to reproduce is the specific and personal impartation of the Universe Spirit to the ancestral life plasm inaugurated by the Life Carriers."
    (From THE URANTIA BOOK 36:6.3 (404.1)


    Quote Originally Posted by Marayah View Post
    Greetings Seraphin and Rosie!

    What a marvellous thread, it is so educating to read answers as well as questions here

    Speaking of unborn babies and souls... I often wondered when and how the soul enters the fetus?

    Would you elaborate on this dearest Seraphin?

    Love, Marayah

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    Greetings to you, Victor, of the HEAVY RESPONSIBILITY.

    The question is whether these offenders are in fact so heavy and "weighed down" by the huge amounts of accumulated karma that it makes it impossible to move forwards, since SO MUCH WOULD HAVE TO BE ADDRESSED. The more unsolved issues one carries arround with onself, the more burdensome and difficult life becomes (as the issues at some point RETURN TO THE PERPETRATORS, by the law of cause and effect) and thus the slower one's pace becomes as a result.

    Such offenders, if of a very strong and agile mental disposition, may manage to deal with this and eventually come to an understanding that there is a "way out", though as we look at the sort of offenders you are describing here, there is not much opportunity for this happening. Many cannot imagine behaving in a different way. Many are convinced only of their rights. Many are absolutely certain that they have done the "right thing". Yet others do not have the mental capacity or the DIVINE CONSCIENCE which indwells an ensouled being, which is necessary to start the journey towards recognition of and responsibility for the destruction they have caused, followed by attempts to turn their behaviour around and "reform". These are those referred to as "spiritless humans" which - certainly not by chance - have just been referred to in the previous post to Marayah. Thus your officers have often come to the right conclusion - that nothing can be done to changes these ones.

    Vipassana is indeed a very transformative experience for anyone who enters into it OF THEIR OWN ACCORD. It requires intense patience and determination, KNOWING that it will bring benefit and unimaginable inner insight and inspiration BEFORE YOU BEGIN. Should an offender genuinely seek to make amends and enter into the spirit of VIPASSANA and manage to find the discipline in him or herself to carry it through during those long days of meditation in stillness and silence, then this may work something of a miracle. But we repeat that this can only be the case WITH THE ACTIVE CO-OPERATION OF THE PERSON CONCERNED.

    This long meditation is a situation in which all individuals are taken out of their familiar surroundings and away from the influences of their physical lives and world. It forces them to go within where all the inner demons are waiting for them, if they have not been addressed up to this point. There is no longer any way of escaping or of distracting onself from these important issues.

    Indeed, as you surmise, Victor, these souls do chose their own experiences and where they are - in prison convicted of violent crime - which is a result of their own decisions and choices right from the beginning of their present incarnation. It may be possible to appeal to their desire to experience freedom again by offering them a carrot of this nature in the sense of "IF YOU MANAGE TO HOLD OUT FOR 10 DAYS IN MEDITATION, and transmute everything which shows up, and relate what changes have occured within you, then your sentence may be shortened appropriately". This is only a suggestion which may work with a few. And again, it would be THEIR CHOICE as whether to consider this a serious option, or whether to laugh or shout violent abuse in response to such a suggestion.

    We thank you for you service which is truly very necessary at this time. Seraphin


    Quote Originally Posted by bluebird View Post
    Blessings Seraphin and Rosie

    Every month as a part of my duty is to enter prisons and police detention centers to observe and make reports of the conditions and treatment of the detainees. These reports are submitted to the Custos and they probably ends up with the relevant authorities.

    While interviewing the "hardened ones" they are the loudest in expressions and does the more serious crimes e.g. revenge killings up to murder. The police e.g detectives, at these lock ups told me despite their mentoring on these serious offenders, and once they are released into the society they go back to the same crimes. My question: Are these souls chose these experiences as part of their soul development ? Would the methods like Vipassana Meditation can transmutate their destructive behavior by going deep to their Inner Self? Perhaps you can elaborate on your response.

    Thanks
    Victor


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    Hi Seraphin and Rosie and many thanks for this amazing thread.
    My question is one concerning intense grief and disappointment, especially regarding the present-day conditions on Urantia, how those came to be, and knowing what Mama Gaia is going through because of them. I have followed advice on AH as to how to deal with this, and it has helped but these feelings keep creeping back up.
    Is it possible to completely release these energies? And is there something that may be blocking me from doing so? Thank you for your time and much love to you both.

    LH

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    As to the soul question by Marayah....those of us who are "free" having earned it.. in the higher realms... we do not directly enter our bodies as it would consume the body from the higher energy... We will have to re teach or give accurate information over the coming years on this topic of "soul"....

    We need to teach the use of morontial soul which is obtained later in the "new being"... but thats not for her.

    Those of use who cannot so to speak enter.. put down what we are using per what is available the silver cord connection. The higher being puts into that whatever they wish as to connection.. I always knew since I was a very young child for example I was not like those of earth...I was very different. So my "higher self" to use again a word we need to reconstruction had put down enough of its personality and other information to be IT in this life thru this body and then over time the cord widened so to speak to have more interchange... there was always interchange... but the quantity of what was fed down to me was restriction until needed. I was always me however... because of the cord of exchange which carries the information back and forth... sort of like a fiber optic cable.

    Younger returning souls are as such closer to the body but still do not indwell the body... these morontial souls are at this time as DNA hookups and vibration changes go are now entering the physical.... so to speak.. merging into their bodies.. or perhaps closer to them.

    I have gone thru a process that took about 14 months I think in which my DNA abnormalities I inherited and perhaps also created or had changed thru vaccinations etc... for these do change.... perfected to original blueprint and now besides my silver cord being bigger than is my body.. there is a special little mini linkage going into my DNA and I have no accurate words for that process.

    I have 24 strands of DNA.. double star or something it is called and cannot have more in this lifetime at this time anyway or I would not be visible to those around me... There is a lot of stuff to learn and know and man that returns will be passing better information he has been given to his kids etc.... over the coming generations on all of this and his church buildings by whatever name will have real teachers who have been properly schooled in such stuff. I suspect the islamic buildings don't offer much and Christianity offers almost nothing about God within those walls.

    The eastern and westerns minds are schooled very differently... the western mind is so full of garbage its incredible. Increasing knowledge and building the heavy morontial soul is simply not taught at all.. just believe on Jesus and these people are so stagnant I have troubles being in their presense if any topic of such comes up... I have to stick to topics like cooking and the like with them. Everyday simply stuff.. they do not move further into inquiry to TO BUILD A HEAVY SOUL RICH IN WISDOM.

    spirit is another hugely non concepted term and people do not know what a spirit being is... A spirit being does not need a body with a brain.... the process of the human animal evolution involves having to use a body... and thus reincarantion which is another confusing topic... During the transition thru the lower mansion worlds... inbetween these worlds the "soul' has incarnations on selected planets offering lessons beneficial to where that soul is. When the "soul" returns to the mansion worlds after this process.. which would be when it has "earned" the next higher mansion world... it again receives a NEW FORM there... it is only well into the morontial journey after the arrival on the system headquarters that a permanent "light body" so to speak which is still not all light..is obtained and which is tweaked as needed on up thru the journey to graduation from the local universe.. in our case.. Nebadon. This body is "stored" so to speak... when there is additional incarnations along the way in the higher realms of the local universe.

    AT each birth on earth... if the soul is NEW.. there is a new being formed..(in potential anyway). unless its an animal moving up into human life already indwelt by a Father fragment such as my recent kitty story.... but her first real testing does happen now in her first human life.. to start that morontial soul with a human brain...necessary to that process.
    Books are not the WORD.. the HUMAN BEING IS THE WORD and when MAN UNDERSTANDS HIS HUMAN ROLE... as the WORD... this planet will come into glory.

    “The ability to observe without evaluating is the highest form of intelligence.” “It is truth that liberates, not your effort to be free.” “The constant assertion of belief is an indication of fear.”
    Jiddu Krishnamurti

    "The human race must become reconciled to a procession of changes, adjustments, and readjustments. Mankind is on the march toward a new and unrevealed planetary destiny."

    "The Great Tao flows everywhere, to the left and to the right. All things depend on it to exist, and it does not abandon them. To its accomplishments it lays no claims. It loves and nourishes all things, but does not lord it over them." - Lao Tzu


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    Thank you for that great extra teaching, dear Candace. I notice that it was posted twice, so this is just to let you know that I am deleting the shorter incomplete teaching .... love R

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    I am trying to understand the relationship of the bodies to dreams. I have attached a drawn chart to visualize.
    A-B-C-draws a different relationship of dreaming
    In general what is the relationship ( interaction ) of bodies during dreams ?

    My body relationship might also be in error !
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    Hi Rosie and Seraphin,

    The Urantia Book says there are three different fused beings like Spirit, Son and Father. Are we predestined to be one of the types because of our foreseeable DNA data? If so, does it mean everybody isn’t going to Paradise? Why?

    Thanks in advance.

    Jorga
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    Hello dear Jorga: Rosie speaking. I am not sure I have understood your question. The word "fused" is used often for fusing with the thought adjuster in the Urantia Book, as in the merging process called "ascension". Beings are "fused" also when they are trinitised/receive the the "Trinity embrace". And if I have understood correctly, the Son and Father are also "fused" as parents of the Infinite Spirit.

    All this will only mean something to those familiar with the Urantia Book. As this is a teaching thread, perhaps you could formulate your question in a clearer way, or provide a link to which part of the Urantia Book you are referring to.

    In my understanding, the journey to Paradise - which is primarily a spiritual learning journey using ever less physical bodily vehicles - is a choice open to beings who have their origins on an evolutionary world or who are "ascending". Some beings were already created perfected and were in Paradise from the beginning.

    This is all very broad brush. There are whole large sections in the Urantia Book about this.

    Generally, DNA can be CHANGED THROUGH UPLIFTING OUR LEVEL OF CONSCIOUSNESS. I don't think there is anything "predestined about this", rather it is the result of personal effort.



    Quote Originally Posted by jorga View Post
    Hi Rosie and Seraphin,

    The Urantia Book says there are three different fused beings like Spirit, Son and Father. Are we predestined to be one of the types because of our foreseeable DNA data? If so, does it mean everybody isn’t going to Paradise? Why?

    Thanks in advance.

    Jorga

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    Video of song THE MESSENGERS OF LIGHT

    Please spread this video around, dear friends.
    This is a call from Seraphin to all messengers of light. Love Rosie

    VIDEO: THE MESSENGERS OF LIGHT

    https://youtu.be/dRGiQlJbJq0
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rose Anna View Post
    Hello dear Jorga: Rosie speaking. I am not sure I have understood your question. The word "fused" is used often for fusing with the thought adjuster in the Urantia Book, as in the merging process called "ascension". Beings are "fused" also when they are trinitised/receive the the "Trinity embrace". And if I have understood correctly, the Son and Father are also "fused" as parents of the Infinite Spirit.

    All this will only mean something to those familiar with the Urantia Book. As this is a teaching thread, perhaps you could formulate your question in a clearer way, or provide a link to which part of the Urantia Book you are referring to.

    In my understanding, the journey to Paradise - which is primarily a spiritual learning journey using ever less physical bodily vehicles - is a choice open to beings who have their origins on an evolutionary world or who are "ascending". Some beings were already created perfected and were in Paradise from the beginning.

    This is all very broad brush. There are whole large sections in the Urantia Book about this.

    Generally, DNA can be CHANGED THROUGH UPLIFTING OUR LEVEL OF CONSCIOUSNESS. I don't think there is anything "predestined about this", rather it is the result of personal effort.

    If I understand it right about the right or permanent choice for each ascendant being in the future. If so, we will be labeled as one of the fused types.


    6. Morontia World Seraphim — Transition Ministers

    48:6.1 (551.6) While all orders of angels, from the planetary helpers to the supreme seraphim, minister on the morontia worlds, the transition ministers are more exclusively assigned to these activities. These angels are of the sixth order of seraphic servers, and their ministry is devoted to facilitating the transit of material and mortal creatures from the temporal life in the flesh on into the early stages of morontia existence on the seven mansion worlds.

    48:6.2 (551.7) You should understand that the morontia life of an ascending mortal is really initiated on the inhabited worlds at the conception of the soul, at that moment when the creature mind of moral status is indwelt by the spirit Adjuster. And from that moment on, the mortal soul has potential capacity for supermortal function, even for recognition on the higher levels of the morontia spheres of the local universe.

    48:6.3 (552.1) You will not, however, be conscious of the ministry of the transition seraphim until you attain the mansion worlds, where they labor untiringly for the advancement of their mortal pupils, being assigned for service in the following seven divisions:

    48:6.4
    (552.2) 1. Seraphic Evangels. The moment you consciousize on the mansion worlds, you are classified as evolving spirits in the records of the system. True, you are not yet spirits in reality, but you are no longer mortal or material beings; you have embarked upon the prespirit career and have been duly admitted to the morontia life.

    48:6.5 (552.3) On the mansion worlds the seraphic evangels will help you to choose wisely among the optional routes to Edentia, Salvington, Uversa, and Havona. If there are a number of equally advisable routes, these will be put before you, and you will be permitted to select the one that most appeals to you. These seraphim then make recommendations to the four and twenty advisers on Jerusem concerning that course which would be most advantageous for each ascending soul.

    48:6.6 (552.4) You are not given unrestricted choice as to your future course; but you may choose within the limits of that which the transition ministers and their superiors wisely determine to be most suitable for your future spirit attainment. The spirit world is governed on the principle of respecting your freewill choice provided the course you may choose is not detrimental to you or injurious to your fellows.

    Jorga
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  71. #241
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    Greetings to you, the LITTLE HAWK which will soon SPREAD ITS WINGS and move forward in a way not thought possible so far. Not small but GREAT THINGS lie in your path; GREAT THINGS achieved and GREAT ISSUES to solve.

    We entreat you connect often with your GOD WITHIN who is always encouraging, always comforting and always capable of providing DIVINE WISDOM when you feel you are caught in a "rut". The "rut" you speak of is indeed a very large one, equivalent to the very deep injury sustained to earth. Yet, if the thought of this paralyses you, if you concentrate on this or cannot think about other aspects, then the dark side are rejoicing because they have managed to make you INACTIVE. This means INACTIVE IN YOUR SERVICE TO THE LIGHT SIDE.

    To pour out a never ending flow of reports on atrocities and pollution and abuse and murder IS AN IMPORTANT PART OF THEIR STRATEGY. If you focus on this mostly, you will of course land in deep depression from which it is difficult to surface. Therefore, know of these things but BALANCE them with things of the light, by which we mean time in nature, with good friends, in silence with yourself in meditative pauses, with uplifting music and with anything else which occurs to you.

    We need all the support we can get to see this phase through, so we entreat you to be optimistic and to FEED THAT OPTIMISM YOURSELF by the methods already described. To take on the burdens of another - in this case of your earth Gaia - is to LOSE PART OF YOURSELF if you allow this to overcome you completely. This means that you cannot serve in the capacity planned. This means also that you take away responsibility from the other person involved. Gaia is now at a point where her decision and her self-preservation mechanismus is kicking into position. She requires support on the ground rather than those who are so sad that they cannot react.

    You may ask within what blockages there may be preventing you from regarding other as "victims" and from being overly affected by what you consider to be their "fate" and by how they have been WRONGED. It will be beneficial for you to regard everyone - including YOURSELF - as a creator of your own story. This is valid for Gaia also. As you will see in the times to come, she also will take matters "into her own hands", while still under celestial surveillance, and with galactic help. This should be your favoured stance also.



    Quote Originally Posted by Little Hawk View Post
    Hi Seraphin and Rosie and many thanks for this amazing thread.
    My question is one concerning intense grief and disappointment, especially regarding the present-day conditions on Urantia, how those came to be, and knowing what Mama Gaia is going through because of them. I have followed advice on AH as to how to deal with this, and it has helped but these feelings keep creeping back up.
    Is it possible to completely release these energies? And is there something that may be blocking me from doing so? Thank you for your time and much love to you both.

    LH

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  73. #242
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    Greetings to you Van of the analytical mind. While diagrams may help to describe certain relationships, there will always be an element of inaccuracy in all things non-physical, and diagrams can also be deceptive because they tend to SEPARATE things into different entities and areas which may actually overlap.

    For your comprehension, it is more of a case of the physical body being PERVADED by the emotional and mental bodies, rather than being "outside" of them as presented in your chart. In another way, all of these are ALL ONE in the sense that they affect each other. Physical experiences, for example, will have an effect on the mind, and your mental state (as in extreme situations of fear, for example) will have sudden influences on the physical body (for example sweating or suddenly finding immense physical strength which you would not have thought possible, but which emergencies "call forth")

    The "world of dreams" I referred to in the quote you mentioned is also a general way to describe a complex process. You yourselves will have to decide what your "dream-time" is. According to Aborigines, the "dreamtime" is not something which happens only during sleep. If you are in a dreamlike or meditative state during the day - sometimes called daydreaming - it means that you are on some other level which is more reflective, allowing more DIVINE INTUITION to seep through into your present consciousness. During this, you may forget the physical completely, which may become dangerous. Issues which are pressing and which actually REQUIRE EXPOSURE IN YOUR PRESENT CONSCIOUSNESS, IN ORDER TO WORK THEM OUT AND SOLVE PROBLEMS, are sometimes pushed away into to the "subconscious" because the person concerned REFUSES TO DEAL WITH IT IN THE PRESENT. This means it will come to the surface at a later date, or in "dreams" which can be a way of handling in the night what you did not handle during the day.

    This should not be mistaken with "dreams" of visionary or instructive nature which rise as reminders of situations in past lives which are intended to help you in your development and steer you towards your vocation. In short, "dreams" are not just something which come and go without any particular reason. They are part of yourself - including your divine self - trying to attract your attention.

    So to answer your question; THERE IS INTERACTION ON ALL LEVELS. It is for you to focus more on the MEANING of the dreams you have and the intuitive moments of insight you experience, by whatever method, rather than HOW this is actually happening. The intent is not for you to ponder on the ins and outs of this, but to draw conclusions for yourself on WHAT YOUR NEXT ACTION IN THE PHYSICAL IS GOING TO BE.


    Quote Originally Posted by VNGNTN1 View Post
    I am trying to understand the relationship of the bodies to dreams. I have attached a drawn chart to visualize.
    A-B-C-draws a different relationship of dreaming
    In general what is the relationship ( interaction ) of bodies during dreams ?

    My body relationship might also be in error !


  74. #243
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    Greetings to you Jorga: if your regard the quote from the Urantia Book which you have provided, you have in fact partially answered your own question: namely

    48:6.6 (552.4) You are not given unrestricted choice as to your future course; but you may choose within the limits of that which the transition ministers and their superiors wisely determine to be most suitable for your future spirit attainment. The spirit world is governed on the principle of respecting your freewill choice provided the course you may choose is not detrimental to you or injurious to your fellows.

    This is the basic principle of development, which is only possible when conducted STEP BY STEP according to the level one has attained at any given moment. In this sense there can be no sense whatsoever of something being NOT FAIR. To consider something to be "NOT FAIR" means that a person is convinced that outside forces more powerful than him or herself are capable of forcing them into some path they do not wish to follow. All choices are your own FREEWILL CHOICES, IN CONJUNCTION WITH AND FOLLOWING DETAILED DISCUSSION WITH THOSE WHO HAVE A MUCH GREATER PERSPECTIVE THAN YOU DO. To be created an evolutionary creature, to be created an angelic being, to be created a midwayer or to be created as any other sort of lifestream is not intended as an issue of contention or COMPARISON. Each of these beings can achieve PERFECTION if they follow their journey. THe most important THING OF ALL, however, is that you concentrate ON YOUR OWN JOURNEY because it is UNIQUE.





    Quote Originally Posted by jorga View Post
    If I understand it right about the right or permanent choice for each ascendant being in the future. If so, we will be labeled as one of the fused types.


    6. Morontia World Seraphim — Transition Ministers

    48:6.1 (551.6) While all orders of angels, from the planetary helpers to the supreme seraphim, minister on the morontia worlds, the transition ministers are more exclusively assigned to these activities. These angels are of the sixth order of seraphic servers, and their ministry is devoted to facilitating the transit of material and mortal creatures from the temporal life in the flesh on into the early stages of morontia existence on the seven mansion worlds.

    48:6.2 (551.7) You should understand that the morontia life of an ascending mortal is really initiated on the inhabited worlds at the conception of the soul, at that moment when the creature mind of moral status is indwelt by the spirit Adjuster. And from that moment on, the mortal soul has potential capacity for supermortal function, even for recognition on the higher levels of the morontia spheres of the local universe.

    48:6.3 (552.1) You will not, however, be conscious of the ministry of the transition seraphim until you attain the mansion worlds, where they labor untiringly for the advancement of their mortal pupils, being assigned for service in the following seven divisions:

    48:6.4
    (552.2) 1. Seraphic Evangels. The moment you consciousize on the mansion worlds, you are classified as evolving spirits in the records of the system. True, you are not yet spirits in reality, but you are no longer mortal or material beings; you have embarked upon the prespirit career and have been duly admitted to the morontia life.

    48:6.5 (552.3) On the mansion worlds the seraphic evangels will help you to choose wisely among the optional routes to Edentia, Salvington, Uversa, and Havona. If there are a number of equally advisable routes, these will be put before you, and you will be permitted to select the one that most appeals to you. These seraphim then make recommendations to the four and twenty advisers on Jerusem concerning that course which would be most advantageous for each ascending soul.

    48:6.6 (552.4) You are not given unrestricted choice as to your future course; but you may choose within the limits of that which the transition ministers and their superiors wisely determine to be most suitable for your future spirit attainment. The spirit world is governed on the principle of respecting your freewill choice provided the course you may choose is not detrimental to you or injurious to your fellows.

    Jorga

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  76. #244
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    Dear Seraphin,

    Sometime ago there was a discussion on this forum about euthanasia (also called "assisted suicide") and whether it is ethical or not to end the life of another human in terminal illness and pain if they, or their loved ones, can't bear it anymore and all "quality of life" has been lost. Some on this world would argue that if we can show this mercy to our animals (mostly pets) in suffering then why not a fellow human? Why must the human suffer while the animal is relieved from it?

    The question is...

    Is it under any circumstances ever ethical or justifiable to assist with ending the life of a person in terminal suffering when all other avenues of assistance and attempted healing has been exhausted? Isn't this just simply another form of murder-suicide where man once again takes the decision of life or death in his own uninformed hands? Is this an issue where compassion should be restricted when it could violate the Law of Life?

    Thank you for your insights on this matter.
    The First Duty is always to the Truth

    We are voyagers in the vast expanse, tasked with learning all that we can learn and experiencing all that we can experience and then to return to the Creator, become ONE and move on to the next level.

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  78. #245
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    Greetings Hano whose great concern is for LIFE and who - in the course of his questioning - has provided that answer also.

    Yes, in our eyes enthanasia is another form of murder. It is ending a life-stream without being FULLY AWARE OF THE ACTUAL MINDFRAME AND SPIRTUAL CONDITION OF THE INDIVIDUAL CONCERNED. In addition, ONLY THE PERSON CONCERNED - whether consciously or subconsciously or on a level not actually "known" to him or herself - CAN MAKE THE DECISIONS TO LEAVE. This will be a decision in conjunction with unseen advisors. To DECIDE FOR THEM is to interrupt the process of CLOSURE, if this is actually the stage which the individual has reached. Consider that there are many people who care for the elderly. They will tell you that they can see when a certain person they are caring for HAS DECIDED to leave. This involves stopping eating and other signs. Then, they will say, it is only question of waiting for a while.

    Concerning why should humans not be euthanised out of compassion, such as with the case with animals, this question is somewhat misplaced BECAUSE IT IS ALREADY COMMONPLACE IN YOUR INSTITUTIONS WHICH YOU CALL HOSPITALS. MANKIND SHALL NOT TAKE LIFE AND DEATH INTO ITS OWN HANDS. MANKIND MUST LEARN TO RESPECT LIFE IN ALL ITS FORMS. MANKIND SHOULD NOT EXTEND LIFE ARTIFICIALLY OR END IT ARTIFICIALLY. MAN SHOULD NOT INTERFERE WITH PROCESSES WHICH HE OR SHE VIEWS FROM A VERY INCOMPLETE AND LIMITED PERSPECTIVE.

    Know that everyone - in whatever health condition - is attended by guides and helpers in the unseen realm who aid transition. IT IS NOT MAN'S PRIVILEDGE TO DO SO. We are not saying NO MORE PAINKILLERS. We are saying NO MORE INTERFERENCE and no more LACK OF RESPECT FOR THE VERY LIFE-STREAMS OF WHICH YOU YOURSELVES ARE PART. Can you see where this many go? Imagine that it is pronounced "ethical" to end the life of someone with a so-called terminal disease at eighty. What about someone who has a disease at 79, or at 50? MAN DOES NOT MAKE THESE RULES. AND YOU WILL REAP THE CONSEQUENCES OF SUCH ACTIONS, AS IN THE LAW OF CAUSE AND EFFECT.

    This is a good opportunity to look at something which is very important. Take a good long hard look at all the things you do not say because you think that it is better to SPARE THE OTHER PERSON CONCERNED THAT PARTICULAR TRUTH OR EXPERIENCE. Thus you are not cutting off their life, BUT YOU ARE CUTTING OFF THEIR EXPERIENCE.

    By holding your tongue, you may prevent someone from being hurt, but also you prevent them from KNOWING THE TRUTH. How can you know the truth of what is going on in a person's mind, and how can you determine whether that life is worth living or not? It is not for you to judge. It is for the person themselves to judge.


    Quote Originally Posted by Hano View Post
    Dear Seraphin,

    Sometime ago there was a discussion on this forum about euthanasia (also called "assisted suicide") and whether it is ethical or not to end the life of another human in terminal illness and pain if they, or their loved ones, can't bear it anymore and all "quality of life" has been lost. Some on this world would argue that if we can show this mercy to our animals (mostly pets) in suffering then why not a fellow human? Why must the human suffer while the animal is relieved from it?

    The question is...

    Is it under any circumstances ever ethical or justifiable to assist with ending the life of a person in terminal suffering when all other avenues of assistance and attempted healing has been exhausted? Isn't this just simply another form of murder-suicide where man once again takes the decision of life or death in his own uninformed hands? Is this an issue where compassion should be restricted when it could violate the Law of Life?

    Thank you for your insights on this matter.


  79. #246
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    Dear Seraphin,

    A common cultural practice in older traditions is to respect ones elders (inherently for the wisdom they provide). This of course has lost it's inherent value in current modern culture for many reasons, the least of which is "old fashion". In times to come in rebuilding a new society upon Urantia does this function of earth bound elders serve any purpose when celestial elders maybe at hand. I also ask this as in my life experience (now as an older gent of sorts), I've encountered many younger than I, with far more to offer than me. I'm also experiencing an "affectionate" relationship with young grandchildren that I see I have an impact upon, which instills a sense of serving there inner growth. Would you comment on this phenomena?
    simple living & high thinking

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  81. #247
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    Thank you dear Seraphin and Rosie for the teaching and clarification of the issue of life and "death" once again and reaffirming what should be absolute knowledge, that LIFE IS SACRED and MAN HAS NO RIGHT TO INTERFERE with its course. On our future world this will become a core teaching and never shall another's life be ended prematurely again due to ignorance, or any other reason, on the part of another. Man will KNOW. Many that see this answer and have seen loved ones suffer and pass may not want to accept this teaching and think it cold and harsh but in time they will come to understand the nature and rules of Life and Spirit and will see TRUTH. Thanks again.
    The First Duty is always to the Truth

    We are voyagers in the vast expanse, tasked with learning all that we can learn and experiencing all that we can experience and then to return to the Creator, become ONE and move on to the next level.


  82. #248
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    Dear Seraphin and dear Rosie, thanks again for yours answers so far.
    I have a question about the elderly people too. The percentage of them in our society is growing as we have less and less children. So the youngsters are at school or at the universities, the adults are working – very often far from their parent’s homes - to earn money and the elderly are scraped as soon as they reach the retirement age. They then are very often alone with little money and nothing meaningful to do. So they become ill and this at least gives them an opportunity to go see the doctors where they meet other patients in the waiting room. This certainly is not the life meant for us. How will this change after the evacuation? Are there some jobs for which the elderly are particularly qualified?

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  84. #249
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    Greetings to you, Prabhanu who offers his service to those little ones seeking their way through a quagmire of information and disinformation. You may be sure that they will gravitate towards those who can offer them an alternative and who can convey wisdom rather than indoctrination. Although their "knowledge" in the traditional sense is not yet grown, their inner knowing is so much more advanced than many still on this earth plane who are their superior in YEARS ONLY.

    Yet this is not a competition; the path of each individual is just that: INDIVIDUAL. And all those you encounter will have an effect, whether positive or negative. For those children presently growing up in your society filled with propaganda of all varieties which CORRUPT INDIVIDUAL THINKING and which DEBASE THE MIND AND BODY, children would presently do well to look to persons they can trust in the older generation in order to regain their balance and open their perpectives. But not all children have access to such "elders".

    What we are looking forward to in the future are communities where EVERYONE IS RECOGNISED. The words of wisdom may come from the older generation, and they may come out of the mouth of "babes" also. The focus is not the origin of the thoughts but the QUALITY. Age, in this sense, will become less relevant and will also become less of a separating factor. There will be no expressions of OH, SHE IS JUST A CHILD AND DOES NOT KNOW BETTER. And there will be no expressions of I AM SURPRISED THAT HE WANTS TO SPEND A WEEK WITH AN OLD LADY LIKE ME.

    All these inhibitions and preconceptions and judgements of onself and others will fall away with time. As we have said before many times, the focus is on the individual LEARNING JOURNEY. If this involves seeking advice from others, this is fine, yet each person individually - whether young or "old", must make their own decision as to whether the advice given is appropriate or useful. It will become normal for a soul with less experience to instinctively seek out souls with more experience, and age has nothing to do with this. The celestials have a wealth of experience at their fingertips and can also assess very quickly which piece of information of advice will further your growth the best. This, among other things, is why they will be excellent counsellers for you.

    We realise that these words will cause problems for those who consider themselves "old and wise" and who use their supposed experiences as a means of wielding respect. This is an ego-based attitude and it prevents them from approaching others with a truly fresh mind as they are rooted in the past and in their wonderful previous exploits. This prevents true communication and true understanding of another. It is time to look at these attitudes very seriously and to humbly seek another way.



    Quote Originally Posted by prabhanu View Post
    Dear Seraphin,

    A common cultural practice in older traditions is to respect ones elders (inherently for the wisdom they provide). This of course has lost it's inherent value in current modern culture for many reasons, the least of which is "old fashion". In times to come in rebuilding a new society upon Urantia does this function of earth bound elders serve any purpose when celestial elders maybe at hand. I also ask this as in my life experience (now as an older gent of sorts), I've encountered many younger than I, with far more to offer than me. I'm also experiencing an "affectionate" relationship with young grandchildren that I see I have an impact upon, which instills a sense of serving there inner growth. Would you comment on this phenomena?


  85. #250
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    Greetings to you Ulrike whose concern today is the elderly among you.

    Yes indeed: many live very solitary and lonely lives and do not take much part in social interaction. Any such interaction is purposely organised rather than spontaneous. If you look at the way your society works - OR ACTUALLY THE WAY IT DOES NOT WORK - and if you collectively really understood how low quality your lives are in the sense of true contact and support, you would try and change something immediately.

    Concerning illness. this can be the joint result of many factors, including physical stress and mental stress combined, including a degeneration in physical material of the body and of food, and including the LACK OF LOVE. Growing ill to gain attention is a strategy developped by individuals when they are small children. If it worked for them then, they may subconsciously also know it might work for them later also. We would ask you all to visualise the ideal situation for those who are getting on in years and who no longer have much physical strength. Imagine yourselves as such, and how you might like to live. This is the situation now.

    Following the changes there will be improvements of many kinds, including the quality of food, air, medical treatment and community spirit. "Life expectancy" will rise. All - irrespective of age - will be encouraged to consider HOW THEY CAN CONTRIBUTE TO SOCIETY. There will be no people "out of work" or "retired" in the sort of structures you presently uphold. Money, also, will become a non-issue.

    There are no particular jobs for which "elderly" across the board are particularly qualified. There are many very active elderly people at the moment who follow their interests and who are also in service, despite frailty or "age". It would be interesting for those who are weak and who feel weak to investigate WHY THIS SHOULD BE SO, and how ANOTHER PERSON OF THE SAME AGE CAN BE SO DIFFERENT.

    Know that your own behaviour and decisions HAVE GOT YOU ALL TO THE POINT WHERE YOU ARE AT PRESENT. In this we return to the topic of RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE LIFE YOU HAVE CREATED. If you see someone who appears to have a particular hard life or hard "fate, please consider that you know very little about the background or the mental or spiritual state of this person, to say nothing about the "karma" which they have chosen to work off in this incarnation. You compassion is commendable, but you are necessarily ignorant of the truth of their situation.

    Regarding the "percentage" of the elderly growing fast: a great many souls will choose to leave this earth plane and start anew, either on other planets or in new incarnations, so the ratio of "old" to "young" will change anyway, according to those choices. Also, the fear that there are too many old people for young people to support (based on tax paying and the paying out of retirement money) will no longer be an issue due to less emphasis on on finances. After a time on "galactic welfare", your attitudes towards all this will change considerably. Also, the fear that earth cannot nurture so many people is justified. The global population will be regulated so that this does not happen again.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ulrike View Post
    Dear Seraphin and dear Rosie, thanks again for yours answers so far.
    I have a question about the elderly people too. The percentage of them in our society is growing as we have less and less children. So the youngsters are at school or at the universities, the adults are working – very often far from their parent’s homes - to earn money and the elderly are scraped as soon as they reach the retirement age. They then are very often alone with little money and nothing meaningful to do. So they become ill and this at least gives them an opportunity to go see the doctors where they meet other patients in the waiting room. This certainly is not the life meant for us. How will this change after the evacuation? Are there some jobs for which the elderly are particularly qualified?


  86. #251
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    pardon the interruption as i wish to extend my sincere heartfelt appreciation to Seraphin and Rosie for providing a seemingly endless supply of life giving water from the depths of your souls....

    carry on...

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    Dear Seraphin Tiny Rose

    I have it in my heart to ask you more about the order of Seraphims and your own 'job description'...
    For example are there several approaches to step into your kind of service..?

    Maybe it's possible to choose and achieve an Angelic career and a 'Seraphic education' even as an ascending being taking the evolutionary journey?

    I have a 'soft spot' for Angelic work and spiritual expression through the arts as well
    Thank you so much Rosie for doing just that

    All my love and grateful thanks for all the inspiration I have enjoyed from and through both of you!

    Hugs, Marayah

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  90. #253
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    Greetings to you Marayah the Angelic. We call you thus due to you humble but sincere desire to acquire angelic qualities - angelic in your perception of what this word means to you. There is a prevailing concept of angels on your world as "other-worldly" beings who are large, mighty and unattainable, to whom one might pray in times of trouble, and who might suddenly appear to help you overcome some huge danger or deep grief. This is not so, Beloved children on earth. We may be comparatively large sprit beings, but this is certainly not the focus. We are as near as your right hand, and we are ready to guide you through all parts of your lives, not only the very difficult ones.

    We are not distant, unless you make us so. It is our delight to cultivate friendships with you. We are familiar and within easy reach. This, again, depends on how strong your intent is to connect with us and discuss with us. We are more like a continuous fellow traveller than an emergency call centre. But this too is just a very general summary of our various tasks and properties and expertise. The information from the Urantia Book, below, as posted below by our scribe, will bear much information for those seeking it. And even that is incomplete, giving you an impression of the variety but not of the complexity or complete range of duties.

    You will notice than mention is made of our origin, which is different from that of "evolutionary man". This is generally so. However, in an extended sense it is possible to enter the ANGELIC VIBRATION and to act "as an angel". This, again, depends on personal choices and personal effort. The Paradise journey takes many shapes and forms, customised, as it were, to your own desires and abilities. Do not worry too much about specific designations or categories at this stage in the proceedings, but concentrate on the PRESENT which will bring you lessons to be learnt and opportunites to grow. This, also, is part of our duties if stationed here.




    The Urantia Book


    Paper 39


    The Seraphic Hosts

    39:0.1 (426.1) AS FAR as we are cognizant, the Infinite Spirit, as personalized on the local universe headquarters, intends to produce uniformly perfect seraphim, but for some unknown reason these seraphic offspring are very diverse. This diversity may be a result of the unknown interposition of evolving experiential Deity; if so, we cannot prove it. But we do observe that, when seraphim have been subjected to educational tests and training discipline, they unfailingly and distinctly classify into the following seven groups:
    39:0.2 (426.2) 1. Supreme Seraphim.
    39:0.3 (426.3) 2. Superior Seraphim.
    39:0.4 (426.4) 3. Supervisor Seraphim.
    39:0.5 (426.5) 4. Administrator Seraphim.
    39:0.6 (426.6) 5. Planetary Helpers.
    39:0.7 (426.7) 6. Transition Ministers.
    39:0.8 (426.8) 7. Seraphim of the Future.
    39:0.9 (426.9) To say that any one seraphim is inferior to an angel of any other group would hardly be true. Nevertheless every angel is at first service-limited to the group of original and inherent classification. My seraphic associate in the preparation of this statement, Manotia, is a supreme seraphim and onetime functioned only as a supreme seraphim. By application and devoted service she has, one by one, achieved all seven of the seraphic services, having functioned in well-nigh every avenue of activity open to a seraphim, and now holds the commission of associate chief of seraphim on Urantia.
    39:0.10 (426.10) Human beings sometimes find it hard to understand that a created capacity for higher-level ministry does not necessarily imply ability to function on relatively lower service levels. Man begins life as a helpless infant; hence every mortal attainment must embrace all experiential prerequisites; seraphim have no such preadult life — no childhood. They are, however, experiential creatures, and by experience and through additional education they can augment their divine and inherent endowment of ability by the experiential acquirement of functional skill in one or more of the seraphic services.
    39:0.11 (426.11) After being commissioned, seraphim are assigned to the reserves of their inherent group. Those of planetary and administrator status often serve for long periods as originally classified, but the higher the inherent function level, the more persistently do the angelic ministers seek assignment to the lower orders of universe service. Especially do they desire assignment to the reserves of the planetary helpers, and if successful they enroll in the celestial schools attached to the headquarters of the Planetary Prince of some evolutionary world. Here they begin the study of the languages, history, and local habits of the races of mankind. Seraphim must acquire knowledge and gain experience much as do human beings. They are not far removed from you in certain personality attributes. And they all crave to start at the bottom, on the lowest possible level of ministry; thus may they hope to achieve the highest possible level of experiential destiny.

    More under http://www.urantia.org/urantia-book-...seraphic-hosts

    The Urantia Book


    Paper 113


    Seraphic Guardians of Destiny

    113:0.1 (1241.1) HAVING presented the narratives of the Ministering Spirits of Time and the Messenger Hosts of Space, we come to the consideration of the guardian angels, seraphim devoted to the ministry to individual mortals, for whose elevation and perfection all of the vast survival scheme of spiritual progression has been provided. In past ages on Urantia, these destiny guardians were about the only group of angels that had recognition. The planetary seraphim are indeed ministering spirits sent forth to do service for those who shall survive. These attending seraphim have functioned as the spiritual helpers of mortal man in all the great events of the past and the present. In many a revelation “the word was spoken by angels”; many of the mandates of heaven have been “received by the ministry of angels.”
    113:0.2 (1241.2) Seraphim are the traditional angels of heaven; they are the ministering spirits who live so near you and do so much for you. They have ministered on Urantia since the earliest times of human intelligence.
    1. The Guardian Angels

    113:1.1 (1241.3) The teaching about guardian angels is not a myth; certain groups of human beings do actually have personal angels. It was in recognition of this that Jesus, in speaking of the children of the heavenly kingdom, said: “Take heed that you despise not one of these little ones, for I say to you, their angels do always behold the presence of the spirit of my Father.”
    113:1.2 (1241.4) Originally, the seraphim were definitely assigned to the separate Urantia races. But since the bestowal of Michael, they are assigned in accordance with human intelligence, spirituality, and destiny. Intellectually, mankind is divided into three classes:
    113:1.3 (1241.5) 1. The subnormal minded — those who do not exercise normal will power; those who do not make average decisions. This class embraces those who cannot comprehend God; they lack capacity for the intelligent worship of Deity. The subnormal beings of Urantia have a corps of seraphim, one company, with one battalion of cherubim, assigned to minister to them and to witness that justice and mercy are extended to them in the life struggles of the sphere.
    113:1.4 (1241.6) 2. The average, normal type of human mind. From the standpoint of seraphic ministry, most men and women are grouped in seven classes in accordance with their status in making the circles of human progress and spiritual development.
    113:1.5 (1241.7) 3. The supernormal minded — those of great decision and undoubted potential of spiritual achievement; men and women who enjoy more or less contact with their indwelling Adjusters; members of the various reserve corps of destiny. No matter in what circle a human happens to be, if such an individual becomes enrolled in any of the several reserve corps of destiny, right then and there, personal seraphim are assigned, and from that time until the earthly career is finished, that mortal will enjoy the continuous ministry and unceasing watchcare of a guardian angel. Also, when any human being makes the supreme decision, when there is a real betrothal with the Adjuster, a personal guardian is immediately assigned to that soul.
    113:1.6 (1242.1) In the ministry to so-called normal beings, seraphic assignments are made in accordance with the human attainment of the circles of intellectuality and spirituality. You start out in your mind of mortal investment in the seventh circle and journey inward in the task of self-understanding, self-conquest, and self-mastery; and circle by circle you advance until (if natural death does not terminate your career and transfer your struggles to the mansion worlds) you reach the first or inner circle of relative contact and communion with the indwelling Adjuster.
    113:1.7 (1242.2) Human beings in the initial or seventh circle have one guardian angel with one company of assisting cherubim assigned to the watchcare and custody of one thousand mortals. In the sixth circle, a seraphic pair with one company of cherubim is assigned to guide these ascending mortals in groups of five hundred. When the fifth circle is attained, human beings are grouped in companies of approximately one hundred, and a pair of guardian seraphim with a group of cherubim is placed in charge. Upon attainment of the fourth circle, mortal beings are assembled in groups of ten, and again charge is given to a pair of seraphim, assisted by one company of cherubim.
    113:1.8 (1242.3) When a mortal mind breaks through the inertia of animal legacy and attains the third circle of human intellectuality and acquired spirituality, a personal angel (in reality two) will henceforth be wholly and exclusively devoted to this ascending mortal. And thus these human souls, in addition to the ever-present and increasingly efficient indwelling Thought Adjusters, receive the undivided assistance of these personal guardians of destiny in all their efforts to finish the third circle, traverse the second, and attain the first.
    2. The Destiny Guardians

    113:2.1 (1242.4) Seraphim are not known as guardians of destiny until such time as they are assigned to the association of a human soul who has realized one or more of three achievements: has made a supreme decision to become Godlike, has entered the third circle, or has been mustered into one of the reserve corps of destiny.
    113:2.2 (1242.5) In the evolution of races a guardian of destiny is assigned to the very first being who attains the requisite circle of conquest. On Urantia the first mortal to secure a personal guardian was Rantowoc, a wise man of the red race of long ago.
    113:2.3 (1242.6) All angelic assignments are made from a group of volunteering seraphim, and these appointments are always in accordance with human needs and with regard to the status of the angelic pair — in the light of seraphic experience, skill, and wisdom. Only seraphim of long service, the more experienced and tested types, are assigned as destiny guards. Many guardians have gained much valuable experience on those worlds which are of the non-Adjuster fusion series. Like the Adjusters, the seraphim attend these beings for a single lifetime and then are liberated for new assignment. Many guardians on Urantia have had this previous practical experience on other worlds.
    113:2.4 (1243.1) When human beings fail to survive, their personal or group guardians may repeatedly serve in similar capacities on the same planet. The seraphim develop a sentimental regard for individual worlds and entertain a special affection for certain races and types of mortal creatures with whom they have been so closely and intimately associated.
    113:2.5 (1243.2) The angels develop an abiding affection for their human associates; and you would, if you could only visualize the seraphim, develop a warm affection for them. Divested of material bodies, given spirit forms, you would be very near the angels in many attributes of personality. They share most of your emotions and experience some additional ones. The only emotion actuating you which is somewhat difficult for them to comprehend is the legacy of animal fear that bulks so large in the mental life of the average inhabitant of Urantia. The angels really find it hard to understand why you will so persistently allow your higher intellectual powers, even your religious faith, to be so dominated by fear, so thoroughly demoralized by the thoughtless panic of dread and anxiety.
    113:2.6 (1243.3) All seraphim have individual names, but in the records of assignment to world service they are frequently designated by their planetary numbers. At the universe headquarters they are registered by name and number. The destiny guardian of the human subject used in this contactual communication is number 3 of group 17, of company 126, of battalion 4, of unit 384, of legion 6, of host 37, of the 182,314th seraphic army of Nebadon. The current planetary assignment number of this seraphim on Urantia and to this human subject is 3,641,852.
    113:2.7 (1243.4) In the ministry of personal guardianship, the assignment of angels as destiny guardians, seraphim always volunteer their services. In the city of this visitation a certain mortal was recently admitted to the reserve corps of destiny, and since all such humans are personally attended by guardian angels, more than one hundred qualified seraphim sought the assignment. The planetary director selected twelve of the more experienced individuals and subsequently appointed the seraphim whom they selected as best adapted to guide this human being through his life journey. That is, they selected a certain pair of equally qualified seraphim; one of this seraphic pair will always be on duty.
    113:2.8 (1243.5) Seraphic tasks may be unremitting, but either of the angelic pair can discharge all ministering responsibilities. Like cherubim, seraphim usually serve in pairs, but unlike their less advanced associates, the seraphim sometimes work singly. In practically all their contacts with human beings they can function as individuals. Both angels are required only for communication and service on the higher circuits of the universes.
    113:2.9 (1243.6) When a seraphic pair accept guardian assignment, they serve for the remainder of the life of that human being. The complement of being (one of the two angels) becomes the recorder of the undertaking. These complemental seraphim are the recording angels of the mortals of the evolutionary worlds. The records are kept by the pair of cherubim (a cherubim and a sanobim) who are always associated with the seraphic guardians, but these records are always sponsored by one of the seraphim.
    113:2.10 (1244.1) For purposes of rest and recharging with the life energy of the universe circuits, the guardian is periodically relieved by her complement, and during her absence the associated cherubim functions as the recorder, as is also the case when the complemental seraphim is similarly absent.
    More under http://www.urantia.org/urantia-book-...rdians-destiny




    Quote Originally Posted by Marayah View Post
    Dear Seraphin Tiny Rose

    I have it in my heart to ask you more about the order of Seraphims and your own 'job description'...
    For example are there several approaches to step into your kind of service..?

    Maybe it's possible to choose and achieve an Angelic career and a 'Seraphic education' even as an ascending being taking the evolutionary journey?

    I have a 'soft spot' for Angelic work and spiritual expression through the arts as well
    Thank you so much Rosie for doing just that

    All my love and grateful thanks for all the inspiration I have enjoyed from and through both of you!

    Hugs, Marayah

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    Dear Seraphin,

    Much thanks for answering each of our questions so personally and for just being here during this time.
    Apologies in advance for the wall of text.

    There was a time 16 years ago when i realized that this world was wrong at a deeper level, only 6 years ago, did i realize the problem was the 'dark bankers'. Was that 'awakening' a merging of a thought adjuster or just a coincidental realization. Even right now, the world feels that it cannot continue to advance anymore in this state. I am supposed to be in a democracy but every criticism you make of the 'leaders' will get you a night in jail or at least some form of financial litigation. With all the brainwashing by the MSM and hollywood, i feel that i cannot convince enough people to board the ships with me.
    I don't know why but i seem to be very empathetic towards other people, sometimes i think about them too much until i neglect myself.
    I have also tried to reach out to my HS/guides for advice, but i still feel helpless that even my closest family is brainwashed by the government.

    Anyway i can lessen that feeling or (better yet) actually convince people that i'm not mad. Luckily i have a wonderful SO that believes in this and also feels the same way about the current state we are in since young. My HS also hinted i knew her from a past life. Each time i talk to people about the financial crash/fleet they think i am crazy. I can understand from their view that they are so entrenched in this world that they cannot imagine such a drastic change. But with nothing they can see they do not believe. Oh to add on, most of the people i have trouble convincing are orthodox Christians.
    I know this has been said before that it is up to Gaia for the timing on evac, then it was later said that fleet is holding the process back for as long as they can. So who/what are we waiting for now? The dark are going to unveil a NWO agenda soon this month and if that happens, it will truly be a sad place to be in.
    Thank you so much for your time.

    Namaste

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    Dear Rosie and Seraphin, many thanks for your answers which largely contribute to define more precisely our future society. In order to get an even clearer image and to be able to contribute something positive to the morphogenetic field of mother earth I would like to ask some questions which came up during this day on the job concerning the organization of our future society.

    Yesterday and today we were distributing different tasks and responsibilities and the boss made sure that everything will get documented and that the burden is well distributed on a lot of shoulders. Remained the question “Who controls the controller?” The whole situation is stressing. Everybody makes all reasonable efforts but instead of having confidence the control freaks create an atmosphere of fear and pressure which drains our energy and enthousiasm.

    I would like to know how in the future society the hierarchy will work? Will it be based on competence? Will the leaders be elected?
    If I remember correctly and the records are right CM/Esu told us “But let the greatest among you be your servant.” I sometimes think that everybody should contribute what he knows best – but how can all that form a society, an organism?

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    Dear Seraphin

    I would like to share some experience I had. It keeps hanging in my mind, the more I think about it.
    Well, I am new member and I have been reading a lot these past weeks/months. Which opened my awareness definitely for the better.
    But I can admit a strange thing happened once. I do not remember what I was doing(eating,watching smth,not really important) but out of nothing I said something similar to > no more, we are done with it, there would be no mercy from now on [or very similar]. Well, it was in my mind and it was quite powerful... brought special awareness as well as emotions. It felt like I was talking to the planet or may be else (or this anger was rising from it) and I was very angry as well. That was emotion which I did not provoke but was there out of nothing. Back then I could not know there were plans for anything so I just discarded it, it was difficult to forget. Now back when I think about it, I remember it clearly like it was yesterday.
    I am keen to understand what was that "thing" , I don't think it was ego because it wasn't mine. It felt I was arguing with someone on higher level. Anyway, please elaborate - hope I tried to explain it is difficult to phrase it.

    Also, when I kept reading - I could not find much information what was the real reasoning behind Lucifer Rebellion (other then the massive scale, etc). If we are to learn about our enemy I guess we should know. If it was such a powerful spiritual creature why it would rebel - there would definitely be reasons. I frankly am on the light side but it seems discordant to find so little of the reasons behind it, fairy-tales description just does not work for me I would guess:)
    I would appreciate for you to shed some light on these topics "bangonhead"

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    Quote Originally Posted by lightworker View Post
    Dear Seraphin

    I would like to share some experience I had. It keeps hanging in my mind, the more I think about it.
    Well, I am new member and I have been reading a lot these past weeks/months. Which opened my awareness definitely for the better.
    But I can admit a strange thing happened once. I do not remember what I was doing(eating,watching smth,not really important) but out of nothing I said something similar to > no more, we are done with it, there would be no mercy from now on [or very similar]. Well, it was in my mind and it was quite powerful... brought special awareness as well as emotions. It felt like I was talking to the planet or may be else (or this anger was rising from it) and I was very angry as well. That was emotion which I did not provoke but was there out of nothing. Back then I could not know there were plans for anything so I just discarded it, it was difficult to forget. Now back when I think about it, I remember it clearly like it was yesterday.
    I am keen to understand what was that "thing" , I don't think it was ego because it wasn't mine. It felt I was arguing with someone on higher level. Anyway, please elaborate - hope I tried to explain it is difficult to phrase it.

    Also, when I kept reading - I could not find much information what was the real reasoning behind Lucifer Rebellion (other then the massive scale, etc). If we are to learn about our enemy I guess we should know. If it was such a powerful spiritual creature why it would rebel - there would definitely be reasons. I frankly am on the light side but it seems discordant to find so little of the reasons behind it, fairy-tales description just does not work for me I would guess:)
    I would appreciate for you to shed some light on these topics "bangonhead"
    Hi LW, with regards to Lucifer: I recall reading something from Kibodabi ages ago and he feels, after hours and hours of thinking and discussions on the subject as to why the rebellion came to be, they came to the conclusion that Lucifer did not know if he was ascending or descending. Lucifer was a friend of Kibo, he writes in that same piece. Maybe it is on Kibo's site: kibodabi.com.
    Team Michael all the way!

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    Dear Lightworker,
    Please read Phoenix Journal #5 for info on Lucifer. I just finished rereading it.
    (Sorry Rosie to chime in here )

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    this is pertinent Seraphin and Rosie....beg your pardon...


    P614:8, 54:2.3 Lucifer's folly was the attempt to do the nondoable, to short-circuit time in an experiential universe.

    Lucifer's crime was the attempted creative disenfranchisement of every personality in Satania, the unrecognized

    abridgment of the creature's personal participation -- freewill participation -- in the long evolutionary struggle to

    attain the status of light and life both individually and collectively. In so doing, this onetime Sovereign of your system

    set the temporal purpose of his own will directly athwart the eternal purpose of God's will as it is revealed in the

    bestowal of free will upon all personal creatures. The Lucifer rebellion thus threatened the maximum possible

    infringement of the freewill choice of the ascenders and servers of the system of Satania -- a threat forevermore to

    deprive every one of these beings of the thrilling experience of contributing something personal and unique to the

    slowly erecting monument to experiential wisdom which will sometime exist as the perfected system of Satania. Thus

    does the Lucifer manifesto, masquerading in the habiliments of liberty, stand forth in the clear light of reason as a

    monumental threat to consummate the theft of personal liberty and to do it on a scale that has been approached only

    twice in all the history of Nebadon.

    P615:1, 54:2.4 In short, what God had given men and angels Lucifer would have taken away from them, that is, the divine

    privilege of participating in the creation of their own destinies and of the destiny of this local system of inhabited worlds.

    P615:2, 54:2.5No being in all the universe has the rightful liberty to deprive any other being of true liberty, the right to love

    and be loved, the privilege of worshiping God and of serving his fellows.
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    and this too:
    The Incarnation—Making Two One

    The Urantia Book; Paper 120, Section 4

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    thank you Brian and Dorothea - yes I have read PJ05 but it only says it was ego driven.
    Well, it seems he felt too powerful and wanted to cut the long road short messing directly in God affairs of our spiritual ascension.
    I thought Ego can be put down provided it is such an advanced spiritual creature.
    So after all that is lessons learned for me - constant fight with the ego, it can never disappear. Although it was written somewhere it can be so by-passed that eventually it cannot surprise you. [not sure if done momentarily while meditating] Alas, always need to be on the watch I guess:)

    Anyway, that was not my first priority "wanted to know" ... actually I felt more curious about the 1st experience I described
    As if I already knew what I was discussing/argue-ing but not consciously - it was strange

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    Quote Originally Posted by Licht View Post
    Hi LW, with regards to Lucifer: I recall reading something from Kibodabi ages ago and he feels, after hours and hours of thinking and discussions on the subject as to why the rebellion came to be, they came to the conclusion that Lucifer did not know if he was ascending or descending. Lucifer was a friend of Kibo, he writes in that same piece. Maybe it is on Kibo's site: kibodabi.com.
    Lucifer did actually KNow who he was... lets not quote something you are not sure of from Kibo... please... Lucifer was no friend of Kibo.... not the MICHAEL son that kibo is. It doesn't work that way... Michael Son's do not fraternize in this way. IF kibo said that he was in error.

    Kibo wrote that these sons did not realize that someday they would have a great deal MORE ....in the far future.. not what you remember here. Created SONS know who they are....
    Books are not the WORD.. the HUMAN BEING IS THE WORD and when MAN UNDERSTANDS HIS HUMAN ROLE... as the WORD... this planet will come into glory.

    “The ability to observe without evaluating is the highest form of intelligence.” “It is truth that liberates, not your effort to be free.” “The constant assertion of belief is an indication of fear.”
    Jiddu Krishnamurti

    "The human race must become reconciled to a procession of changes, adjustments, and readjustments. Mankind is on the march toward a new and unrevealed planetary destiny."

    "The Great Tao flows everywhere, to the left and to the right. All things depend on it to exist, and it does not abandon them. To its accomplishments it lays no claims. It loves and nourishes all things, but does not lord it over them." - Lao Tzu

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    brian I completely based on reading the response of seraphin to Maraya... what this is about.. would you be more specific.. this has nothing to do with seraphim.... near as I can tell. Or are you refering to another answer.

    Quote Originally Posted by Brian View Post
    this is pertinent Seraphin and Rosie....beg your pardon...


    P614:8, 54:2.3 Lucifer's folly was the attempt to do the nondoable, to short-circuit time in an experiential universe.

    Lucifer's crime was the attempted creative disenfranchisement of every personality in Satania, the unrecognized

    abridgment of the creature's personal participation -- freewill participation -- in the long evolutionary struggle to

    attain the status of light and life both individually and collectively. In so doing, this onetime Sovereign of your system

    set the temporal purpose of his own will directly athwart the eternal purpose of God's will as it is revealed in the

    bestowal of free will upon all personal creatures. The Lucifer rebellion thus threatened the maximum possible

    infringement of the freewill choice of the ascenders and servers of the system of Satania -- a threat forevermore to

    deprive every one of these beings of the thrilling experience of contributing something personal and unique to the

    slowly erecting monument to experiential wisdom which will sometime exist as the perfected system of Satania. Thus

    does the Lucifer manifesto, masquerading in the habiliments of liberty, stand forth in the clear light of reason as a

    monumental threat to consummate the theft of personal liberty and to do it on a scale that has been approached only

    twice in all the history of Nebadon.

    P615:1, 54:2.4 In short, what God had given men and angels Lucifer would have taken away from them, that is, the divine

    privilege of participating in the creation of their own destinies and of the destiny of this local system of inhabited worlds.

    P615:2, 54:2.5No being in all the universe has the rightful liberty to deprive any other being of true liberty, the right to love

    and be loved, the privilege of worshiping God and of serving his fellows.
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    and this too:
    The Incarnation—Making Two One

    The Urantia Book; Paper 120, Section 4
    Books are not the WORD.. the HUMAN BEING IS THE WORD and when MAN UNDERSTANDS HIS HUMAN ROLE... as the WORD... this planet will come into glory.

    “The ability to observe without evaluating is the highest form of intelligence.” “It is truth that liberates, not your effort to be free.” “The constant assertion of belief is an indication of fear.”
    Jiddu Krishnamurti

    "The human race must become reconciled to a procession of changes, adjustments, and readjustments. Mankind is on the march toward a new and unrevealed planetary destiny."

    "The Great Tao flows everywhere, to the left and to the right. All things depend on it to exist, and it does not abandon them. To its accomplishments it lays no claims. It loves and nourishes all things, but does not lord it over them." - Lao Tzu

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    Marayah.. ascendent Man becomes like the angels.. as a general statement... You have exactly no limits on what the ascendant Human can aspire too... Many of the angels are both descendant (created) and take various types of ascendant journeys. this is true of the seraphim.... but their careers ascending are not the same as those open to the HUman being... My own destiny guardian andrea reached Paradise with me for example.. but her options are not necessarily the same as mine down the long road of eternity... there is great confusion as to angels anyway on this world and what they are.. in reality the angel is mostly the seraphim... but I label all descendant beings as angels for the ignorant when I post on GLP for example because of that ignorance to help people understand the difference between the Human being from the animal evolutionary origin vs... the "angel" of the created orders of servant beings. One cannot switch one's origin.. its not possible... Human beings however do not become seraphim..in terms of "becoming like the angels"... as bible suggests and the like. But during the early journey in the local universe they will have experience as "guides" to people on planets.. thus getting a bit of the seraphim experience of those Seraphim who take on the role of being destiny guardians.. but never will a Human being BE a destiny guardian... only a temporary role in guidance.

    Many of us are being trained here on this planet for future GOALS.... and Christ Michael has two ascendant HUmans serving in his universe in the roles of system heads.. like what Lucifer was.... but this does not change their origin.. it gives them universal management experience....system heads tend to not be totally permanent positions no matter who walks in that job description.

    Quote Originally Posted by Marayah View Post
    Dear Seraphin Tiny Rose

    I have it in my heart to ask you more about the order of Seraphims and your own 'job description'...
    For example are there several approaches to step into your kind of service..?

    Maybe it's possible to choose and achieve an Angelic career and a 'Seraphic education' even as an ascending being taking the evolutionary journey?

    I have a 'soft spot' for Angelic work and spiritual expression through the arts as well
    Thank you so much Rosie for doing just that

    All my love and grateful thanks for all the inspiration I have enjoyed from and through both of you!

    Hugs, Marayah
    Books are not the WORD.. the HUMAN BEING IS THE WORD and when MAN UNDERSTANDS HIS HUMAN ROLE... as the WORD... this planet will come into glory.

    “The ability to observe without evaluating is the highest form of intelligence.” “It is truth that liberates, not your effort to be free.” “The constant assertion of belief is an indication of fear.”
    Jiddu Krishnamurti

    "The human race must become reconciled to a procession of changes, adjustments, and readjustments. Mankind is on the march toward a new and unrevealed planetary destiny."

    "The Great Tao flows everywhere, to the left and to the right. All things depend on it to exist, and it does not abandon them. To its accomplishments it lays no claims. It loves and nourishes all things, but does not lord it over them." - Lao Tzu

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dorothea View Post
    Dear Lightworker,
    Please read Phoenix Journal #5 for info on Lucifer. I just finished rereading it.
    (Sorry Rosie to chime in here )
    There is error in PJ #5 on Lucifer.. I came across that when doing some rereading the other.. It was said he blew up his own planet (Maldek) and that is not so... I love the journals..and much of it is right... but the dark side would get hold of the radio frequency Dharma had and gave her one in a while some information not true... and they had to change her radio freqency again.. plus some of the books were changed in places by those preparing them for publication and in re printings sometimes things were changed. Also the PJ's had a different readership than the UB and there are simplifications not necessarily accurate. You can see from my posting in another post that even I teach super simple sometimes and cannot be fully accurate because the readers cannot grasp in their ignorance the full truth. As I said I will group all descendant beings in to the "angel" group because all mankind knows are angels and man and nothing else.
    Books are not the WORD.. the HUMAN BEING IS THE WORD and when MAN UNDERSTANDS HIS HUMAN ROLE... as the WORD... this planet will come into glory.

    “The ability to observe without evaluating is the highest form of intelligence.” “It is truth that liberates, not your effort to be free.” “The constant assertion of belief is an indication of fear.”
    Jiddu Krishnamurti

    "The human race must become reconciled to a procession of changes, adjustments, and readjustments. Mankind is on the march toward a new and unrevealed planetary destiny."

    "The Great Tao flows everywhere, to the left and to the right. All things depend on it to exist, and it does not abandon them. To its accomplishments it lays no claims. It loves and nourishes all things, but does not lord it over them." - Lao Tzu


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    Quote Originally Posted by Candace View Post
    brian I completely based on reading the response of seraphin to Maraya... what this is about.. would you be more specific.. this has nothing to do with seraphim.... near as I can tell. Or are you refering to another answer.

    yeah in response to lightworker's enquiry about lucifer, etc.

    since this is Seraphin and Rosie's thread i didnt want to be disrespectful...

    that's all...it was in response to that...whenever some one questions lucifer and his rebellion it is so important to understand what he was attempting to do...i don't think we truly understand...even still to this day...

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    First THANK YOU Seraphin and Rosie for this wonderful thread!!
    It has been filled with thought provoking questions and answers
    filled with great wisdom.

    My question revolves around the Devic beings. I would love to know anything Seraphin has to
    say about them. My limited understanding is that they work with the plant and animal kingdoms.
    At places like Findhorn in Scotland and Perelandra here in the USA people have worked intentionally
    with these beings in the growing of food and herbs for medicinal use as well as other things.
    I have been humbled by their help in many of my gardening endeavors. I feel great kinship to these beings and want to know how we humans can work together with them for the benefit of all? Will they play a role in the future of Earth? Are they a form of "angelic" being?
    I have this notion that upon return to this beautiful planet once the
    changes have taken place, they will be important in how we grow food...
    in alignment with Divine Forces.
    I apologize for my rambling questions but would love any info Seraphin wishes
    to impart about them. Many thanks!!!!!!
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    Greetings to you, EXGE89. We can sympathise with you that you sense this is a "sad place to be in". You describe aptly some of the machinations which weigh the planet down and which, in fact, make it impossible for her to continue in this way in the long run. Action must be taken, by Gaia /your earth, with any assistance she may require.

    To see the world as purely "sad" is, however, an inadequate description. Your lives are full of so many different nuances of feeling if only you open yourselves up to the EXSTASY which is possible for you, if only you REALLY WAKE UP TO THE WONDERS OF CREATION, starting off at a very near and familiar place, YOUR OWN BODIES. To feel, to smell, to sense, the move, to laugh, all these are joyous occurances. Do not delve so deep into the "sad" aspects of the staged performances surrounding you to lose track of the TRUTH, THE JOY, THE LOVING REACTIONS BETWEEN MEN AND WOMEN IN ALIGNMENT WITH EACH OTHER AND WHO FOLLOW IMPORTANT PATHS AND STRIVE FOR IMPROVEMENT. This is the danger: that excessive lamenting and occupation with the dark side - including the tendency to bite like a wounded dog whenever such themes are breeched - WILL FURNACE THE FUEL OF THE DARK SIDE.

    We commend you for seeing that something is "wrong". By now, many will have come to the same conclusion. Whether those have also concluded that this situation has something to do with themselves and their thoughts and action are part of this is another question entirely. The challenge is to GO BEYOND the feeling of shock and horror, and assess it from a point of view which involves one's OWN ROLE PLAYED ON THE DARK PATH. EVERYONE HAS TAKEN PART IN THIS IN SOME WAY, and we make no excuses for mentioning this. EVERYONE MUST UNDERSTAND THAT JOINT ACTION HAS RESULTED IN THIS. It is not just some vague result of intangiable fleeting destructive forces with no name or structure. And you are playing out your lives WITHIN THESE STRUCTURES, which automatically involves your participation.

    While the realisation that something is wrong is major, the realisation that you yourselves have participated in it is even more MAJOR. The awakening process, once started, is like peeling layer after layer off an onion. Again and again you will discover that something you considered to be true and well intentioned will turn out to have ulterior motives behind the pleasant facade. This is indeed a rise in the level of consciousness, but is not equivalent to the "merging with a thought adjuter", as you surmise. The souls who intends to persue the upward journey will go through a WHOLE SERIES of such realisations, in fact, this will NEVER STOP as the soul wishes to follow a path of learning and ever greater refinement of his or her behaviour so that they are ever more increasingly attuned to the Laws of Balance.

    You mention that you have difficulty convincing others that you are not mad. This is of little importance, and it is not your mandate to destroy yourself while trying to convince others against their will. Try to see the statement of "they cannot be convinced" not as a complaint, in the sense the at they really ought to be convinced by what you say but refuse to, but regard it more like a completely neutral statement of fact: THEY CANNOT BE CONVINCED. This is because they do not have the antenae at this stage in events. You cannot force them to develop such. Prefer to conserve your energy for that which IS POSSIBLE.

    You ask: what are we waiting for now? As said many times, TIME IS MEANT TO BE USED WISELY AND CONSTRUCTIVELY AND IN ORDER TO RAISE YOUR OWN CONSCIOUSNESS AND TO FURTHER YOUR OWN SENSE OF BALANCE. PRACTICE BEING CENTRED IN THE MIDDLE OF CHAOS. For this, you cannot practice too much. Time is not for waiting. This is a huge operation in front of us. The logistics are enormous. Please leave it at that. If you find that you are impatient of distrusting of the process, connect within often. And use each moment to ask yourself how you can contribute to the furthering of your own sense of sovereignty, and how you can contribute. Whether on earth or no, whether on ship or no, whether on another planet or whether in another body or incarnation, the question will always be the same: HOW CAN YOU BEST CONTRIBUTE TO THE SOCIETY IN WHICH YOU ARE LIVING TO MAKE IT A PEACEFUL AND MORE PLEASANT PLACE TO LIVE. To follow such is never to have a moment of boredom. To do such is to be fulfilled beyond all that you have experienced before. Travel this road, dear friend, and we will walk with you.


    Quote Originally Posted by exge89 View Post
    Dear Seraphin,

    Much thanks for answering each of our questions so personally and for just being here during this time.
    Apologies in advance for the wall of text.

    There was a time 16 years ago when i realized that this world was wrong at a deeper level, only 6 years ago, did i realize the problem was the 'dark bankers'. Was that 'awakening' a merging of a thought adjuster or just a coincidental realization. Even right now, the world feels that it cannot continue to advance anymore in this state. I am supposed to be in a democracy but every criticism you make of the 'leaders' will get you a night in jail or at least some form of financial litigation. With all the brainwashing by the MSM and hollywood, i feel that i cannot convince enough people to board the ships with me.
    I don't know why but i seem to be very empathetic towards other people, sometimes i think about them too much until i neglect myself.
    I have also tried to reach out to my HS/guides for advice, but i still feel helpless that even my closest family is brainwashed by the government.

    Anyway i can lessen that feeling or (better yet) actually convince people that i'm not mad. Luckily i have a wonderful SO that believes in this and also feels the same way about the current state we are in since young. My HS also hinted i knew her from a past life. Each time i talk to people about the financial crash/fleet they think i am crazy. I can understand from their view that they are so entrenched in this world that they cannot imagine such a drastic change. But with nothing they can see they do not believe. Oh to add on, most of the people i have trouble convincing are orthodox Christians.
    I know this has been said before that it is up to Gaia for the timing on evac, then it was later said that fleet is holding the process back for as long as they can. So who/what are we waiting for now? The dark are going to unveil a NWO agenda soon this month and if that happens, it will truly be a sad place to be in.
    Thank you so much for your time.

    Namaste

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    Greetings to you, Ulrike. Indeed: there is great wisdom in the statement "LET THE GREATEST AMONG YOU BE YOUR SERVANT". This is what you will gradually be moving towards. Those in leading positions will be there precisely BECAUSE they have an air of calm serenity and BECAUSE their main intent is to serve, NOT BECAUSE THEY WISH TO MAKE MONEY, NOT BECAUSE THEY WISH TO EARN A REPUTATION, NOT BECAUSE THEY WISH TO WIELD POWER AND CONTROL OTHERS.

    The seed of destruction in many meetings, such as the one you describe, is that the structures are very strict in the sense that those who are gifted have to "prove themselves" to those higher up in the hierarchy before earning "promotion", and elbowing out other people on the way. The whole arena is one of competition and trying to become better than one's collegues as opposed trying to co-operate under a single banner of HOW CAN WE OPTIMALLY SERVE.

    Those who are "control freaks" are the ones who are worried about delegating responsibility to others for a variety of reasons. Perhaps they have plans which they have personally fashioned and which are their very own "baby". Yet under optimal conditions, the "baby" should be EVERYONE'S CREATION. Another reason for not wanting to delegate is the fear of losing one's own position or the fear of being shown up and exposed that one is actually not quite as "good" as supposed. Here, HONESTY is required, and then there is no need to put on a show or to try and hide what one considers to be "flaws".

    The ideal situation is where the "leader" of a group is totally aware of his/her own strengths and of those of the other people around them. The ideal also is that each person who is entrusted with a task SIGNALS THEIR ABILITIY TO DEAL WITH IT, OR ASKS FOR ASSISTANCE IF THEY CANNOT DEAL WITH IT THEMSELVES. This means an ability to admit to what you generally call "weakness", but which may be inexperience or lack of a certain expertise. The "leader" is there to help others grow in their confidence and to assist if necessary. FLEXIBILITY will be very necessary in your future society. If something is very obviously not working, then the problem must be addressed immediately and changes made. For some of the reasons already mentioned, your organisations tend to slide into chaos or complexities or stressful situations because important issues have not been addressed in time. We look forward to a new and very creative period in the history of your earth, where MONEY or THE NUMBER OF AVAILABLE STAFF will not exert the huge influence which it does today, and where QUALITY will be considered much more important than QUANTITY.



    Quote Originally Posted by Ulrike View Post
    Dear Rosie and Seraphin, many thanks for your answers which largely contribute to define more precisely our future society. In order to get an even clearer image and to be able to contribute something positive to the morphogenetic field of mother earth I would like to ask some questions which came up during this day on the job concerning the organization of our future society.

    Yesterday and today we were distributing different tasks and responsibilities and the boss made sure that everything will get documented and that the burden is well distributed on a lot of shoulders. Remained the question “Who controls the controller?” The whole situation is stressing. Everybody makes all reasonable efforts but instead of having confidence the control freaks create an atmosphere of fear and pressure which drains our energy and enthousiasm.

    I would like to know how in the future society the hierarchy will work? Will it be based on competence? Will the leaders be elected?
    If I remember correctly and the records are right CM/Esu told us “But let the greatest among you be your servant.” I sometimes think that everybody should contribute what he knows best – but how can all that form a society, an organism?

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    Greetings to you, Lightworker who is working towards the light, judging by your experiences below. The opening up of awareness can take many forms, including a more refined ability to sense what is really going on, to be more fine-tuned to other people, to be more sensitive to changes in atmosphere, and to notice increasingly the symbolism of what happens around you as being a reflection of what is going on within yourself.

    If something like the thought you describe suddenly appears, seemingly "out of nowhere", it will in some way be intimitely connected with yourself simply because you can PICK UP ON THIS VIBRATION. If you were arguing with this entity, as suggested, then it involved a very passionate side of yourself which was brought out by this encounter. Often something like this may feel compeltely unrelated or out of the blue, but it may feel like a voice from the subconscious coming out into the open. This means that it was TIME FOR THE VOICE TO MAKE AN APPEARANCE, AND TIME FOR YOUR EMOTIONS ALSO TO SURFACE. This may have been prompted by your personal guides, but this is for you to decide. We do not address such questions with a simple YES OR NO, since this would detract from your learning experience. Our role here is to AID DISCOVERY, NOT TO PROVIDE ALL THE ANSWERS.

    We recommend that you go within and ask this entity (or aspect of yourself, should this be the case) to sit opposite you in order to discuss further in a civil manner. Should it be a "negative" experience for you, or if the entitly should become abusive and get out of the chair, end the session. It is no good "banging your head against a brick wall" trying to convince this entity about something or to argue with it. Insist on a balanced exchange. Then you will be in a position to see whether this is something which will aid your own personal development, or whether it should be continued.

    We note that information concerning the Lucifer Rebellion has already been provided.


    Quote Originally Posted by lightworker View Post
    Dear Seraphin

    I would like to share some experience I had. It keeps hanging in my mind, the more I think about it.
    Well, I am new member and I have been reading a lot these past weeks/months. Which opened my awareness definitely for the better.
    But I can admit a strange thing happened once. I do not remember what I was doing(eating,watching smth,not really important) but out of nothing I said something similar to > no more, we are done with it, there would be no mercy from now on [or very similar]. Well, it was in my mind and it was quite powerful... brought special awareness as well as emotions. It felt like I was talking to the planet or may be else (or this anger was rising from it) and I was very angry as well. That was emotion which I did not provoke but was there out of nothing. Back then I could not know there were plans for anything so I just discarded it, it was difficult to forget. Now back when I think about it, I remember it clearly like it was yesterday.
    I am keen to understand what was that "thing" , I don't think it was ego because it wasn't mine. It felt I was arguing with someone on higher level. Anyway, please elaborate - hope I tried to explain it is difficult to phrase it.

    Also, when I kept reading - I could not find much information what was the real reasoning behind Lucifer Rebellion (other then the massive scale, etc). If we are to learn about our enemy I guess we should know. If it was such a powerful spiritual creature why it would rebel - there would definitely be reasons. I frankly am on the light side but it seems discordant to find so little of the reasons behind it, fairy-tales description just does not work for me I would guess:)
    I would appreciate for you to shed some light on these topics "bangonhead"

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    Greetings to you Dorothea who has contact to all manner of beings which vastly outnumber those which she supposes, and which come under a huge variety of names and categories as yet unknown to you in this particular incarnation. It would truly be very difficult for human beings generally to imagine what creatures seen and unseen, what energies seen and unseen, and what growth mechanisms seen and unseen are really in continuous activation on your earth, to say nothing of the influence of incoming energies which presently affect your atmosphere.

    To call all this "devic" is, for us, a vast over-simplification. For the experts in this field, of whom I do not number, this is an even greater simplification. We commend you for your sensitivity in realising the existence of this teeming world which does not generally present itself to you through your current human perceptions. We recommend that you personally, Dorothea, make detailed records of your encounters with these "helpful hands" so that others may start to have this initial small peek into a fascinating world of growth and evolution which - as everything else in alignment with the laws of balance - is based on LOVE. Please share your stories for the better understanding between the human world and the plant word. If this is your intent, and you state it to the "devic world", they will surely support your endeavors, provide your with answers and enhance abundance.


    Quote Originally Posted by Dorothea View Post
    First THANK YOU Seraphin and Rosie for this wonderful thread!!
    It has been filled with thought provoking questions and answers
    filled with great wisdom.

    My question revolves around the Devic beings. I would love to know anything Seraphin has to
    say about them. My limited understanding is that they work with the plant and animal kingdoms.
    At places like Findhorn in Scotland and Perelandra here in the USA people have worked intentionally
    with these beings in the growing of food and herbs for medicinal use as well as other things.
    I have been humbled by their help in many of my gardening endeavors. I feel great kinship to these beings and want to know how we humans can work together with them for the benefit of all? Will they play a role in the future of Earth? Are they a form of "angelic" being?
    I have this notion that upon return to this beautiful planet once the
    changes have taken place, they will be important in how we grow food...
    in alignment with Divine Forces.
    I apologize for my rambling questions but would love any info Seraphin wishes
    to impart about them. Many thanks!!!!!!

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    QUESTIONS ARE NOW AGAIN WELCOME.
    Please note that I may have less time over the coming couple of weeks, so I would ask you for your patience. Love and thanks, Rosie

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    Quote Originally Posted by lightworker View Post
    thank you Brian and Dorothea - yes I have read PJ05 but it only says it was ego driven.
    Well, it seems he felt too powerful and wanted to cut the long road short messing directly in God affairs of our spiritual ascension.
    I thought Ego can be put down provided it is such an advanced spiritual creature.
    So after all that is lessons learned for me - constant fight with the ego, it can never disappear. Although it was written somewhere it can be so by-passed that eventually it cannot surprise you. [not sure if done momentarily while meditating] Alas, always need to be on the watch I guess:)

    Anyway, that was not my first priority "wanted to know" ... actually I felt more curious about the 1st experience I described
    As if I already knew what I was discussing/argue-ing but not consciously - it was strange
    Lightworker.. EGO is essential to BEING a person, and it matters not if one is created an "angel/Descendant Son" or a Human arising out of the evolutionary animal (and in some cases plant life) with WILLFUL thinking. It cannot be done away with because doing so would mean one is no longer an individual....It is necessary to modulate it in alignment with the divine will..... It is not to be smashed.. but used to the great good....

    There is a lot of really awful new age teaching on giving up the "ego".. and its pure crap. Why would anyone want to give up BEING an individual? The seraphim.. as created angels in service under Nebadonia are made by the batch so to speak..with a standard minds preprogrammed... sort of computer like but not because they are LIVING beings. They develop each one their own personality based on their experiences and this gives them an "ego" so to speak also. There must be CHOICE.. that is what free will means.. the ability of choice.

    All the Creator Sons are different.. even though Created Perfect in terms of their basic knowledge but grow their individuality also over the course of their experience and thus no 2 creator sons are the same either. Lucifer for whatever reasons decided to be more than he could be in that sense.... at that time at least.. and had not the patience to wait on what might come over the long eternity. Impatience is not an uncommon problem and Eve had a bunch of impatience and blew off the Adam and Eve mission thinking if she mated with a higher evolved being.. it would hasten the process. It nearly destroyed the process. These beings created in the higher realms are not error free generally.... goofs are made and must be learned from.. for everyone....

    We have two Michael Sons in AH... Kibo and Benjamin and they each have very different personalities. When incarnate there is the issue of the ego mind that comes with the body to deal with also...and modulate because it gets programmed with ones culture. The "higher self" the incarnating being has varying skills in controlling that.. and depending on the maturity.. can put more of self down to the body being used... via the silver cord for example. The dark can and do attempt to break the silver cord thus cutting off the body from its higher self... They practice this heavily when they determine somebody needs cutting off. This happened with several in AH in fact and it brings tears to me when it does because the mission of the higher self just got destroyed and that is the goal of course. There are quite a few ways to do this and its not my purpose here to explain them all.


    CM encourages free will heavily in his created beings in Nebadon. I have had many a discussion with him on this and he will even let angels who truly do not want to be in their created roles to HUMANIZE and take the ascending journey....This is preference to "uncreating" ..... He tends to let evil go to its natural end.. it either learns or it goes to its end... and by evil this can mean an individual or a whole big group of them. There is much learning and Nebadon has been in fact enhanced by the Lucifer Rebellion.. what is sad is that Lucifer didn't want to grow up...and look at the whole thing and learn from it...We won't cover it YET but something special came of Satan.. who did grow up...
    Books are not the WORD.. the HUMAN BEING IS THE WORD and when MAN UNDERSTANDS HIS HUMAN ROLE... as the WORD... this planet will come into glory.

    “The ability to observe without evaluating is the highest form of intelligence.” “It is truth that liberates, not your effort to be free.” “The constant assertion of belief is an indication of fear.”
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    thank you Rose Anna & Candace - this is wise and amazing stuff

    Regarding my experience - I think it was my ego rising up, I will try to reason with it peacefully. Actually, I am feeling more conscious than ever before.
    About the weather stuff - well this caught my curiosity even greater. I can feel the weather, before huge storms I am bit relentless and know what will happen. But you know also my grandma had this "gift" - I remember she "felt" the weather, even the people of the village were whispering how she guessed it[I was 3-4 y.o.]. There is so much yet I don't know about my heritage, unfortunately all grandmas/grandpas are dead and I do not have much time to research this. And the ability to see what is going on intensifies:)
    So this is all connected to me and help me understand better my puzzle.

    Regarding Lucifer - indeed I got the answer yesterday from Global Sustainability - page 136 [the plan to optimize the maximum potential of an individual, of a world, of a local universe, is set to such an edge that allows for the possibility of rebellion, the freedom of choice]
    But hey you even stretched and provided a lot more info than I hoped
    I feel now this is clear, it is important to understand why

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    Congratulations to Seraphin and Rosie for such a thread!

    My question is about astral travel or conscious out of body experiment.
    Can you dear Seraphin shed us some light on that and explain how we can achieve this?
    I have been chasing that for a long time now and it is still unattainable!
    Is what Lobsang Rampa taught right?

    Thanks for creating such an opportunity to both of you!Hug 11

    Hansley
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    Each of us has varying levels of understanding now, possibly more later.

    I would like some comments on how to acknowledge "authority" properly, Especially in a high Stress Condition. The ASHTAR COMMAND recently discussed, indicated each would be given two items ONE to WEAR; ANOTHER to HOLD.
    In the context it was given I understood that to be an authority we would hold when working with the population after stasis.

    My question is more toward higher beings as they are involved.

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    QUESTION FROM HANSLEY

    My question is about astral travel or conscious out of body experiment.
    Can you dear Seraphin shed us some light on that and explain how we can achieve this? I have been chasing that for a long time now and it is still unattainable! Is what Lobsang Rampa taught right?

    ANSWER FROM SERAPHIN

    Greetings to you Hansley whose enthusiasm is worthy, yet the question is less one of HOW CAN I ACHIEVE THESE ABILITIES and more a question of WHAT IS MY INTENTION.

    Many see such abilities as a sort of magic which will release them from the mundane aspects and profanities of life, yet they themselves have chosen and created this life and it is their challenge to address the complexities and labyrinths of what they have personally put in place. Learning extraordinary abilities will not iron out the problems in their lives. Indeed, it is the other way around. Addressing personal issues, which translate into negative situations in the physical realm, will raise their vibrations and consciousness so that their progress to the next stage – whatever hill they wish to climb – will be effortless. This will be part of a natural order instead of a sudden leap into the „supernatural“. It will be a stairway of many small steps instead of an enormous leap.

    We suggest the patient, humble and ever-striving way towards an increase in self-awareness. Watch yourselves. Watch every breath and every word and every reaction from others. Practice constant adjustment. Use every small opportunity to learn more and move a small step forward. Do this not with a sense of fear or with a sense of absolute determination, but with an air of heightened expectation and poise. Never lose your balance on the stairway. Assess yourselves daily. There are many who are out of balance in their daily lives and in their encounters with others. There are those who will bite their lips when they should speak. There are those who will fall into an angry rage at the sight of a certain person or at the sound of a particular word. These are triggers determining your behaviour and we entreat you to STEP OUT of such scenarios and view them objectively, thus favouring your own balance.

    This quality of being able to remain in balance will serve you much more in the chaotic times to come that the ability to “escape” on astral travel or similar. Stay in the physical realm. Your sorties into meditation and the inner world are to FIND ASSISTANCE FOR YOUR JOURNEY IN THE PHYSICAL REALM. This is why you are presently stationed on a physical planet in a physical body – to enhance the lives of others THROUGH THE UPLIFTING OF YOURSELVES.

    Again I say: all your thoughts and actions TRANSLATE INTO THE PHYSICAL FORM. This is why you see so many examples of imbalance in your societies and encounters. These are the result of the IMBALANCE IN YOUR MINDS AND BEHAVIOUR. The theme of responsibility has been approached and discussed many times. Take this to heart, as only thus will you progress as a global community.

    We realise that these words are not all entirely relevant to your original question, dear Hansley, in that they cover much greater ground than the original enquiry. Yet we use this as a “sounding board“ and as an opportunity to teach a greater perspective, for which we thank you deeply.

    QUESTION FROM VAN

    Each of us has varying levels of understanding now, possibly more later.
    I would like some comments on how to acknowledge "authority" properly, especially in a high Stress Condition. The ASHTAR COMMAND recently discussed, indicated each would be given two items ONE to WEAR; ANOTHER to HOLD.
    In the context it was given I understood that to be an authority we would hold when working with the population after stasis. My question is more toward higher beings as they are involved.

    ANSWER FROM SERAPHIN

    Greetings to you, Van. Authority in your world is a very nebulous concept as it mainly rests upon the idea that THOSE WHO HAVE THE POWER HAVE THE AUTHORITY. What we call NATURAL AUTHORITY, which goes hand in hand with NATURAL AUTHENTICITY, has a very different air and effect. Those with natural authority are not questioned as they deeply inspire confidence. They immediately cause you to love them. They immediately make you feel appreciated and loved. They do not say many words, but those they utter are like droplets of gold dropping from their mouths which you will want to run and pick up. You will hang on their every word, not wanting to miss anything. They will act in alignment with their divinity always, and they will inspire you to do the same. They will encourage you to discover and live your potential in service to others, and in combination with others in a glorious co-creative operation. They will hold back and suitable times and they will speak a firm word when it is necessary.

    Such will be the “leaders” and authorities in the future on this earth plane. These will be a mixture of members of the celestial hierarchy and their representatives and organisations. It will be very obvious, by their aura and commanding presence, who they are. They will not show signs of “stress” because they will not allow stress to build up. You who read this are asked to improve yourselves as stated in the previous answer and to ever perfect yourselves with each passing day so that you too will emanate this radiance and poise. In this way YOU WILL CREATE YOUR OWN AUTHORITY.


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    Dear Rose and Seraphin


    I would like an explanation on the following question:


    What is the difference between


    SOUL
    HIGHER SELF
    SOULMATE
    ASTRAL BODY


    Who they are , and they all belong to 4 d?"bangonhead"


    Thanks for the answer
    Manuel

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    Rosie speaking. Hello dear Manuel. This is a very far-ranging question and there is already a lot of material put out on this. Having just revised some of Candace's teaching material on the subject of SPIRIT, I will insert it here for your information. After that there are other quotes. Regarding "soulmate", Seraphin has already answered one question on this subject. I will post it again when I locate it. Another very enlightening text, if you do not already know it, is SPIRITLESS HUMANS. See below. It is a lot of material to grasp if anyone is unfamiliar with it, but we are on a learning journey and it is worth the time. Regarding your question concerning 4d; dimensions are a state of consciousness, individually and global. Globally we are at around 4d, which is "GETTING OFF THE FENCE" mode in that moral decisions (such as whether we choose to live in fear or love) must be taken. The earth, as a living entity, is moving upwards in consciousness and the big question now is HOW MANY OF HER GLOBAL GUESTS MATCH HER LEVEL OF CONSCIOUSNESS/LEVEL OF VIBRATION. Those who cannot, cannot continue here in the long run. love Rosie

    INFINITE SPIRIT/MOTHER: 3rd PERSON TRINITY

    Infinite Spirit/Mother is a daugher of Father and Son. All living beings are of the Mother – the source of all life - to start with. Mother spirit indwells all evolving life. Planets are seeded with life by celestial specialists. This does not happen through “evolution” as scientists think. It is INFINITE SPIRIT/MOTHER evolutionary MIND that is seeded. Over time, this forms the planetary genetic mind, which we know as GAIA on our world.

    The genetic mind has its creation starting back with the seeding of earth with life/Nebadonia Spirit 550 million years ago. Ever so often, new pieces of data are added to the program of GAIA (similar to the process of building up a computer program), and this is happening now due to the energies of the Milky Way. Life upgrades are made - sort of like putting upgrades of the operating systems and other programs onto computers. You are using your “Infinite Spirit/Mother mind” when you memorize stuff, when you copy a given pattern, when you are occupied in daily living, when you decide to put on warm clothes because you feel cold.

    GAIA has become self-thinking and will become Father Indwelt when she ascends. What will ensue is HER ASCENSION, in fact. Earth’s inhabitants are invited along for the ride, if their frequency/level of consciousness is high enough. People who are not yet fused may have the opportunity to do so on this occasion. During magnetic reversals, all unholy thought forms come off the planet and are destroyed.

    3rd person Trinity is simply evolutionary mind. Early evolutionary mind does not have an obvious presence of the eternal son, but in a way it does because nature too strives e.g. a cat who strives to have hands and be a person has already acquired a personality/an I AM

    SPIRIT
    Since all life both angelic and physical IS INDWELLED BY SPIRIT, people would do better to equate Spirit and LIFE. MIND and Spirit can also be equated because all Life has MIND: it cannot exist otherwise. A plant does not have an individual mind but if there is no mind there is no plant. It is the mind within the plant that is the actual cause of the growth of the plant. This is why rocks don't grow. There is no mind functioning in them. There is energy in them but they don’t function as living learning mind.

    Spirit bodies are gas bodies. They are still matter but in a gas state. This is why such bodies (using the abilities of mind) can pass through walls and shapeshift. The semi spirit /physical form might be considered somewhat liquid. In some ways the astral form which is not a spirit form might be called a liquid form.

    As matter fills with "spirit", the „spirit“ increasingly enters the spaces between the molecules and atoms, and as as result the form grows in size and has a higher capacity to store knowledge. The analogy of dense ice turning into liquid water and then turning into high frequency hot steam is a way of explaining frequency change.

    As“ spirit“ expands, it is too large to sit in our small bodies. There is a pipeline called the silver cord which connects our real selves to our physical bodies. With time, our bodies will be able to hold more and more „spirit“. This will be possible as a result of the spirit DNA strands (called „junk DNA“) connecting. The general goal is to get people to 12 strands of DNA. The individual soul must do the work to get it from 2 to 12. There are 6 pairs actually: if you cut these crosswise, it will look like the 6 pointed star of David. The etheric/physical body produces the 2 strands, but the builder of further strands is always the mind. The advancing soul does not push itself into the body: it links its mind to the body ego mind via a silver tube which is rather like a fibre optic cable. This cable transfers information back and forth between the ego mind of body and the higher mind of the incarnating being.

    When there are 12 activated connected DNA strands, one is „filled with the holy spirit“ (as per Christian beliefs), also known as the raising of the kundalini. This is NOT ascension. You remain on the planet. Those from the higher realms with a mission on earth have to undertake this activation during each incarnation so that we can be a useful tool and channel light into our surroundings. Candace has 24 connected strands. It is possible to hook more, but not without becoming invisible, which might not be fitting for one’s mission. The WAVE and Divine fire provide assistance to kundalini raising and DNA connection too. Those who are not fused with their Thought Adjuster and who raise their kundalini are taking part in a process which will lead to Ascension in due time. (END OF CORE TEACHINGS COMPILATION)

    ANOTHER TEACHING BY CANDACE
    So you agreed to incarnate here in this evil place, and take on a group of misprogrammed electrons to your soul. And thus reprogram them, during your life lived. Most that agreed to do are spirit beings. BEcause the being not fully spirit is still trying to clear their own electrons. 

So those of use came here, who are photon beings, and placed bodies in service, but we cannot occupy them. Even I don't occypy this body of mine. Even with my monad downloaded, I do not occupy this body. 

But this bad karma of the planet, we can't add that to our photon form, but we can add it to the natural electrons (astral form) of this body we are using. And we cleanse them.

    Spiritless Humans
> montalk.net » 27 April 09
>

    (This article replaces Matrix Agents: Profiles and Analysis)
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> Empty people. Puppet people. Cardboard cutouts. Drones. Organic Portals. Background characters. Why do these terms even exist? Because out of necessity they had to be invented by those who independently noticed the same puzzling phenomenon, one for which there is no official name: some people seem to be missing something very important inside. While they are not necessarily any less intelligent, successful, or physically healthy as anyone else, they nevertheless show no indication of having any higher components to their consciousness.

    
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> Over the years I have received emails from readers who came to this same conclusion. They noticed that some people were strangely one dimensional and hollow inside. This observation is not hard to miss, but it is easy to rationalize away, especially with modern society being so heavily brainwashed with the politically correct but unrealistic concept that everyone is completely equal in every way, which ignores functional differences due to environmental, genetic, and most importantly, metaphysical factors. 


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> Background
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> The idea of empty people first dawned on me in 1999 after having done much research into sociopaths and psychopaths, their condition being medically known as APD or "Antisocial Personality Disorder." My interest in the subject grew out of having been forced for many years to suffer under someone whom I later learned had all the signs of being a sociopath. Heartless and soulless were descriptive terms, but little did I know just how literally true they were. I had noticed in this person an emptiness behind the eyes and a very shallow conscious essence, which seemed to be at the root of the behaviors I observed. 


    > 
> Eventually I realized that this same root condition was present in some others who were not outwardly sociopathic, but whose lack of heart was masked by a well-adapted social exterior. In other words, what psychiatry would diagnose as APD was only the more extreme, criminal, sloppy manifestation of a condition that otherwise expressed itself more widely in a socially acceptable and less incriminating manner. The latter is what may account for the body of empty people present in the population.

    
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> But what exactly is missing in them? The answer is clear if we look at their common behaviors and qualities of consciousness.
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> Behavioral and Psychic Characteristics


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> Their behavior tends toward being glib, shallow, egotistical, narcissistic, mundane, predatory, and materialistic. Sometimes these traits are camouflaged by a polished social exterior, but anyone with a discerning eye can see through the disguise. They lack individuality, independent thinking, and are strongly biased toward holding a herd mentality. They lack comprehension of anything beyond the material sphere of the five senses, and have no interest in such metaphysical matters except as flashy accessories to boost their social image. They also appear entirely incapable of empathy, soul-searching, and willful self-sacrifice. Nevertheless, in the presence of others they can put on a flashy show of concern, distress, or altruism for purposes of social manipulation; for example, crocodile tears to elicit sympathy, or doing something nice for another solely to guilt trip them later and extort a favor.


    > 
> Psychically scanning their consciousness reveals something interesting. There is a certain simplicity, flatness, and inertness to their essence, even if their intellects are highly developed. Unlike other people, their conscious energy is more diffuse, dull, impermanent, and amorphous rather than solid, sparkling, crystallized, and concentrated. Put another way, their minds are like sand castles instead of real castles. There is something animalistic and rudimentary piloting their bodies. It seems they have conscious awareness just as plants and animals do, but not conscious self-awareness as humans are supposed to have. There is an important difference between awareness and self-awareness. 


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> Spirit: The Missing Component
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    The missing factor must be something that endows a being with self-awareness, volition, and the capacity to value transcendental ideals. This goes beyond mere physical factors like missing portions of the brain, defective genetics, or a poor upbringing, because the latter are just defects in the hardware and programming of the biological machine, whereas the problem here involves the consciousness operating the machine. What intuitive or clairvoyant perception picks up about their consciousness involves metaphysical factors instead.
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> What to call this higher component of consciousness absent in some people? Usually it would be called the soul, but that has caused too much confusion in the past. For example, casual readers unfamiliar with the proper definition of "soulless" thought it meant "completely devoid of consciousness" when in reality it meant "devoid of individualized consciousness." No, they do have some kind of soul energy by virtue of being alive, but the soul is not imbued with a higher spark of true sentience and self-awareness. 


    > 
> Therefore I will call this higher spark "spirit" and define it as follows: spirit is the core of individualized consciousness, that permanent aspect of one's being representing the true Self, which accumulates experiences and spiritual wisdom throughout life, survives physical death, and remains intact upon reincarnating to continue growing toward the fulfillment of its potential. It is the divine god-spark, the seat of freewill, the holographic fragment of the Creator residing at the very center of your being, the "I" that is you, the inner conscious observer capable of observing even its own self-observation.

    
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> It seems not all humans have spirit. Therefore they have no self-awareness, individuality, wisdom, empathy, creative intelligence, or conscience. What further confirms this hypothesis is that, as will be discussed below, one may observe a total absence of destiny, synchronicity, symbolic dreams, spiritual lessons, soul growth, and karma in their lives. This is to be expected if they have nothing permanent in them that survives death and reincarnates, because only spirit can gain from such things. Without spirit, they are temporary beings whose awareness forms shortly before birth and dissolves shortly after death. And if so, then for them, spiritual life lessons serve no purpose, karma from past lives does not exist, there is no higher Self acting as chaperone, nor would they have genuine interest in anything that serves a purpose beyond their current mortal existence. Therefore it is to be expected that they be particularly materialistic, worldly, and mundane in their ambitions; observation confirms this as well.


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> Other Components 


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> How can we better understand all this? By understanding the various components and how they combine to make the whole of a being, we can grasp the numerous differences and similarities between spirited and spiritless humans1. 
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> Aside from spirit, the other components are body and soul. Soul is the nonphysical energetic interface between body and spirit. Occultists divide the soul into the etheric and astral bodies. The aforementioned "empty" people have bodies and souls, but not spirits. In this way it is clear that they have some kind of conscious energy, but not the permanent core that retains continuity trough incarnations.


    > 
> The soul consists of two components, the etheric and astral. The etheric component is a quantum biasing field that keeps the physical body from entropic disintegration. Or to put it more simply, it is life-force energy that keeps the body from decaying. The astral component is more abstract and intangible. It functions as the seat of consciously experienced feelings and passions. Feelings are not just chemical reactions in the brain, nor are they abstract thoughts in the mind. Rather they are vivid energies residing somewhere in between, and that buffer zone between the completely physical and completely metaphysical is the astral component of the soul. 


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> Body and Ego


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> The body is the biological instrument through which we interact with our physical environment. The body comes with its own hereditary dispositions, biological drives and instincts, and behavioral algorithms stamped into it through social programming. These deterministic influences converge to create an artificial intelligence in a person that, by default, runs the body like an autopilot computer running an airplane. 


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> This artificial intelligence is hereby termed "ego." Its fundamental purpose is to ensure survival of the body by optimizing its behavior for the surrounding physical and social environment. In other words, external conditioning programs the ego to achieve survival in the environment from which that conditioning originates.

    
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> But the ego has no true consciousness of its own. It is just a computer running on neural (and by proxy, etheric) hardware that simulates a living identity. Its main advantage is that, being just a computer, it only has to mechanically calculate and react to situations instead of deeply and consciously reflecting, therefore it can respond much quicker to external situations. 
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> For the spirit, the ego functions as a software device that automates interactions with other humans and provides a mask of identity, programmed from birth, appropriate to the local environment. Somewhat like a player's avatar in the Sims game, which looks and acts like a person and seems to do its own thing when not directed by the player.

    
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> The problem is that the ego is entirely a product of the past, and spirit entirely outside linear time. The first is completely deterministic, the second is completely nondeterministic. The first is an emergent property of matter, the second a permanent condensation of consciousness. The two have impulses that are often diametrically opposed, one pulling toward materiality, the other toward spirituality. Our daily consciousness, also known as the lower self, is a blending of both, namely the portion of spirit that shines through the mask of ego and identifies with it, analogous to a driver so absorbed in the act of driving that for him the car has become an extension of his body2.
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> Physical or Spiritual Influences Upon the Soul


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> Now the soul, in residing between body and spirit and mediating between them, is influenced by both. It takes on its organization and function according to impulses from both spirit and the body. For instance, the astral body would respond both to a chemical drug inducing a feeling of euphoria through the body, and the spirit volitionally invoking a lofty feeling of spiritual joy, although the effects on the astral are not identical.

    
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> Likewise, the etheric body could have its structure altered by some injury to the physical body, or from some blockage or abnormality in the astral body percolating its influence down to the etheric level. Whatever influences are exerted upon the soul by body and spirit, their effects continue to linger in the soul, like tea continuing to circulate after having been stirred. This is why I said the ego runs on both neural and etheric hardware. Despite originating in the physical, the ego imparts the momentum of its conditioning upon the etheric3.


    > 
> Consequences of Lacking a Spirit


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> With the preceding in mind, consider what happens when someone has body, ego, and soul, but lacks spirit. First and foremost, their entire makeup would be the result of material influences like genetics and environment. The seat of their apparent intelligence would be the ego. And without the counterweight of spirit, their ego would reign king. Thus, in accordance with the function of ego, such people would be completely dedicated to material and social survival. 


    > 
> Notice that people with spirit who are awake to their spiritual impulses often make willful choices that serve no financial, social, or egotistic gains, that go against the expectations of Darwinian evolutionary principles, and that serve only spiritual ends. Such impulses are absent in spiritless people, thus they are truly optimized for survival in the physical world. Without conscience, empathy, or inner battle between ego and spirit holding them back, they can more quickly and easily succeed in their worldly environments regardless of the cost to others.


    > 
> To better understand their metaphysical differences, consider what happens to spirited and spiritless people upon physical death. 
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> Spirit and soul nested one inside the other, together leave the physical body. After a while, the etheric component of the soul disintegrates, leaving only spirit nested inside the astral body. The astral body then also disintegrates. The disintegration of etheric and astral bodies, meaning the dissolution or casting away of the soul, is known in Christian Esotericism as the second death4. The liberated spirit then advances into the afterlife before reincarnating.

    
> 
> Reincarnation involves the spirit forming around itself a new soul and then slipping into a new physical body. In sequential reincarnations, what talents, predispositions, and imbalances it has acquired from previous lifetimes influences the new incarnation. 
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> In the case of spiritless people, life begins as follows. As the fetal body gestates in the womb, the soul forms for the first time, like beach sand being gathered into the shape of a castle, and joins to the body. This combination produces rudimentary awareness. After being born, such a person becomes nothing more than a product of genetics and environment due to absence of spirit. Without a spiritual counterweight, biological drives and social programming become their primary impulses in life. 


    > 
> Upon physical death their soul evacuates the body, perhaps containing a lingering imprint of the ego, and after some time it disintegrates and is reabsorbed into the lake of energies from which it originally formed. Nothing of their identity survives. For people without spirit, this life is their only one. They form upon entering and dissolve upon leaving. It cannot be otherwise if they lack a core of individualized consciousness.

    
> 
> Thus everything that a spirited person has due to the continuity of his or her incarnations, is missing in the life of a spiritless person. For example, the spiritless would have no need for life lessons or spiritual learning experiences. What would be the purpose if whatever is gained disappears after death? Therefore spiritless people are ones who cannot learn spiritual lessons, who cannot profit spiritually from the trials of life, who cannot pass what is gained onto their successive incarnations. And so they have no concern for lessons of humility, empathy, compassion, understanding, or forgiveness. Instead of changing as people through spiritual maturation in life, they only change in the sense of better adapting to life through conditioning. For instance, whereas a spirited person may see the error of his ways and grow humble, a spiritless person would simply learn to not get caught next time.


    > 
> Karma is another metaphysical factor absent in the life of spiritless people. There are many misconceptions about karma, so I will first explain my understanding of it, before showing how its absence affects the life of a spiritless person. 


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> Karma (the negative type) is simply a spiritual debt or imbalance acquired upon violating the freewill of oneself or another. Violating your own freewill happens when you make a choice during an ignorant state, like when identifying with the ego and acting upon its impulses, that violates a choice made during a more spiritually sober state. 


    > 
> Upon committing a freewill violation, the higher spirit-associated aspect of consciousness regrets the error and makes a commitment to redress it, even if the lower ego-associated aspect tries to ignore this. The karmic imbalance then attracts experiences that teach a lesson correcting that ignorance, whether in this life or the next. The lesson learned is universal and does not require memory of the original choice that provoked it, just understanding of the lesson. The karmic experience itself is not what is fated, rather the lesson learned, therefore karma can sometimes be mitigated through pre-emptive understanding and forgiveness without necessarily needing to learn it the hard way through experience.

    
> 
> But without spirit, there is no true freewill and no true lessons that can be learned. Therefore the spiritless have no karma and instead live completely under the laws of chance and the law of the jungle. Whereas a spirited individual might be born with karmic handicaps, for the spiritless these handicaps would strictly be a matter of chance or heredity and serve no higher metaphysical purpose. Same with the timing and manner of their death; whereas spirited people may have loosely planned out their life before incarnating, including the way they will die, spiritless people die according to random circumstances without purpose or meaning, unless their death somehow plays an important part in the pre-incarnation script of a spirited individual.

    
> 
> Other missing factors include meaningful symbolic dreams, synchronicities, higher intuitive guidance, and their personal hand of destiny. Spiritless people experience none of these because they neither can nor need to. This should be obvious from understanding the role of spirit, but I will elaborate for the sake of clarity.


    > 
> Meaningful dreams primarily serve to alert a person to spiritual imbalances that need to be corrected, but a spiritless person has no need for such messages. They also have nothing higher to send such messages. Without a permanent core of individuality, they have no "Higher Self", which is the perfected future manifestation of spirit reaching back through time to help out extensions of itself still in the linear past. And without a Higher Self, they have no inner intuitive guidance to provide certain nudges and protection in life. Thus, whereas a spirited person might experience freak synchronicities and bending of the laws of reality to save them from untimely death, a spiritless person lacking such direction and protection would perish according to chance.


    > 
> Chakra Differences between Spirited and the Spiritless

    
> 
> There is also a difference between spirited and spiritless in what chakras they have. Chakras are vortical energy centers linking soul with body, and linking spirit and body through the soul. Each center coincides positionally with the major glands of the physical body, and each serves a different behavioral function.


    > 
> The lower chakras are associated with such behavioral facets as physical instinct, sexual impulses, base emotions, personal power, and intellectual activity. Everyone possesses these. The spiritless, however, have no need for the higher chakras, namely the heart, crown, and third eye chakras because these are the ones that exclusively link to spirit.


    > 
> The heart chakra, the center of higher emotions like compassion, empathy, spiritual jubilance, is missing in the spiritless because there is no spirit present to associate with these emotions. The crown chakra, through which higher intuitive understanding, originality and creativity, and a connection with objective truth manifests, is likewise missing. The third eye chakra, located between the brows, is normally used for the perception of phenomena and concepts beyond the material realm, and spiritless people confined to the world of the five senses have no need for it either.


    > 
> Consequently, another difference between the spirited and spiritless is that the first have all seven chakras while the latter are missing the three higher ones, the heart, crown, and third eye chakras5. This further contributes to the intuitive or clairvoyant perception that spiritless people are flat and inert inside regardless of how animated they are on the outside, because the spectrum of their etheric or auric vibrations are missing certain colors and are therefore of a lower overall resolution.


    > 
> All the above follows from one simple postulate: that some people lack spirit, and that they therefore also lack the higher chakras. If you deeply contemplate what this entails, you will understand how this postulate explains the full gamut of observations we have concerning so-called "empty" people.

    
> 
> Difference between Spiritless and Spiritually Asleep People

    
> 
> At this point you might be wondering what is the difference between spiritless people, and spirited ones who are spiritually asleep in life or simply immature. After all, both may be worldly in their goals and thoroughly caught up in the illusion of the "Matrix." Both may not be cognizant of dreams or synchronicities, nor display much empathy. For example, there are negative people who are completely under the influence of their egos and external negative forces, who can commit violent crimes and even mass murder without blinking an eye. Not all of them are spiritless. But all of them are indeed void of the influence of spirit when it comes to engaging in such inhuman behaviors. Some lack spirit, others are asleep to spirit.


    > 
> The difference is that a spirited but infantile/asleep person still has latent spiritual potential. So they still have, even in small amounts, the presence of those spiritual factors and dynamics mentioned above. They may still suffer the consequences of karmic debt brought on by dumb choices, they may still receive symbolic dreams attempting to alert them to spiritual imbalances in life even if they ignore it, they may still experience synchronistic help in shaping their lives against the odds even if they cannot see it.


    > 
> Spiritless people lack that potential completely. They cannot grow spiritually. This is not a theoretical declaration, but a painful lesson learned from having dealt with too many such persons who never showed any signs of growth or evolution no matter how much help and opportunity for improvement was given to them. At best they adapt, but more out of conditioning and calculation than actual understanding.


    > 
> There is another important difference. The spirited have lives appropriate to their spiritual needs. So there is a correspondence between their spiritual maturity and type of life. Infant spirits will lead crude lives, because a basic existence is all they need, and anything more would be too much for them to handle or gain from. Meanwhile, the spiritless live whatever life they are driven into by circumstance and their own cunning, which can mean being a beggar, corporate executive, or famous author all the same. Without constraints established by spiritual needs, the spiritless have no spiritual limits or curriculums structuring their lives. And this is why "empty" people are not all just spiritually asleep or infantile, because there exists a class of people who share the same inertness behind their eyes regardless of their type of life, their social standing, their intellectual prowess, and their physical appearance.

    
> 
> Psychopaths, Sociopaths, and Narcissists


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> The more extreme manifestations of an absence of spirit is known in psychology as psychopathic, sociopathic, or narcissistic personality disorders. Spirited people who fit this condition are misguided and held hostage by their egos, but they can be rehabilitated. Instead of lacking empathy, their empathy is either suppressed or displaced. These are not true psychopaths, but spirited people with personality disorders.
> 
> True psychopathy and sociopathy, however, cannot be cured because something is fundamentally flawed at the core of such persons. They lack empathy and remorse altogether, and these qualities cannot be recovered because they were never there to begin with. The incurable nature of psychopathy is an accepted fact in psychology. The cause is believed to be an abnormality in the pain and fear centers of the brain. Even so, without the balancing influence of spirit, such abnormalities would introduce unchecked errors into the programming of the ego, which then runs rampant to the point of coming to the attention of the legal and medical systems. What the medical system can diagnose is only the extreme and sloppy manifestation of a condition that is more widespread throughout the population. Other spiritless people with properly functioning egos are better at keeping their lack of empathy and remorse camouflaged under more refined social programming.


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> Why Spiritless? What Others Say

    
> 
> Theories abound about why some people lack a higher component to their consciousness and what purpose they serve in the bigger scheme of things. Since I am not the first to make this observation, I will now briefly discuss what others have said so that you can weigh the available options.

    
> 
> John Baines writes in his book The Stellar Man that humans, like all animal species, have a collective soul unique to their species. This collective unconscious exerts a de-individualizing influence on humans, nudging them toward mob mentality, herd mentality, and following the crowd. Rupert Sheldrake would call this the human morphogenetic field. People who have not developed their own conscious individuality are mere automatons following the soporific influence of the collective unconscious, as though they were extensions of a hive mind. The goal of esoteric training is to split away from the herd, to develop one's own volition and thereby become a free being.
> 
> Rudolf Steiner voiced similar sentiments. His foundational work, The Philosophy of Freedom addressed this problem. Steiner said that as long as humans obey external authority, their own biological instincts, or the animalistic parts of themselves in common with the rest of humanity, they are not free beings. Freedom comes from choosing based on intuitive understanding of what each option entails and what it means. This act of freewill requires introspection and spiritual acumen to act from a place of true understanding. Steiner acknowledged that not everyone introspects to the degree necessary to make intelligent freewill choices.


    > 
> G. I. Gurdjieff spoke along the same lines. His lectures in Views from the Real World summarize his position. Humans are born as blank slates, as biological machines without self-awareness. At some point in life, a person either develops an "I" or branches onto the opposite path toward further mechanization and decay. So according to Gurdjieff, "empty" people are those who have never developed their self-awareness as they should have, but we all start out on equal footing. I don't believe this to be true because there are infants and children who clearly have high sentience behind their eyes and expected behaviors of self-awareness, while other infants and children lack it, which suggests the factor of reincarnation in some people and complete absence of spirit including the potential for spirit in other people. 
> 
> Boris Mouravieff has written on the subject of spiritless people most extensively. See his three volumes of the Gnosis series, particularly the second and third volumes. His approach is based on Esoteric Christianity, and thus it quotes heavily from scripture while bearing much in common with the Fourth Way tradition of Gurdjieff, which itself seems to trace back to Sufistic teachings. According to Mouravieff's interpretation of the Book of Genesis, there existed humans before Adam and Eve, but that only Adam and by proxy Eve and her descendants received the breath of spirit from God. Thus nowadays there exists two mingling sub-races of humans, the pre-Adamics without spirit, and the Adamics who have it. Mouravieff explains that pre-Adamics serve the purpose of harvesting energy from Adamics as part of the cosmic food chain. He also explores the metaphysical differences between the two, in regards to pre-Adamics missing certain "centers", which are analogous to chakras. Mouravieff believes the pre-Adamics have a group soul unique to their collective, and that only after further aeons of evolution will their collective soul differentiate into individual spirits like what the Adamics already have.


    > 
> The Corpus Hermeticum, a famous hermetic and gnostic text written almost two thousand years ago, likewise states that not all humans have the spark of divine reason (termed Nous) active within them, and that without Nous a human is more like an "irrational creature" (animal) in his motivations, limited perception, and way of life. One would have to read the entire text to understand this in proper context. See the english translation titled The Way of Hermes: New Translations of the Corpus Hermeticum (Inner Traditions, 2000). 
> 
> Lastly, the Cassiopaean Transcripts addresses the works of Mouravieff and provides some key insights on the matter at hand. The channelling source claims that some people are empty portals for other intelligences to work through, that they have uniform auras among them, lack the higher chakras, can be very skilled at mimicking "souled" (spirited) people by reflecting back their own soul energy, and that ultimately they serve as conduits from which our energy can be siphoned for collection by negative hyper-dimensional beings. All this is in line with my observations and the writings of Mouravieff and Gurdjieff, except a bit more realistic than the viewpoints of those two traditionalists. Whereas John Baines says some humans are extensions of the human collective soul, the Cassiopaeans say they are instead extensions of particular animal group souls. They say such so-called "organic portals" serve as a bridge between the human and animal kingdom, helping to transfer higher human energies to these animal group souls to accelerate their evolution, but that their function has been hijacked by higher negative forces for their own energy harvesting use.


    > 
> So what I am saying in this article is not without precedent. I merely made the observation of "empty" people independently in 1999-2001 and then cycled through various personal speculations and existing theories before settling on the current one explained in this article. 


    > 
> I believe there are several ways in which people end up spiritless. Some are born that way because no spirit ever took root, just like theater seats that remain empty because no one bought tickets for them. Others may have started out with spirit but had it depart at some point in life. It could have evacuated through abuse or sudden extreme trauma, or evaporated gradually from decades of soul-killing routine. Not everyone who dies necessarily drops dead. People can go on existing as hollow shells, as echoes of their former selves, now void of the spirit that once gave them spark. There are other darker phenomena like dead people getting reanimated by aliens with advanced technology, human clones, and other types of artificial humanoids that would lack spirit, but these are relatively rare and therefore not worth discussing in this article (see instead my article on Human Simulacra). 


    > 
> Here I speak mainly of a larger sector of the population who naturally lack spirit, who always have throughout history, and who by virtue of their predatory and worldly natures have gravitated toward the top of the social, economic, and political hierarchies and made the world antagonistic toward spiritual impulses.


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> The Benefits of Understanding
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> As you can see, this idea that some people lack spirit explains much about the robotic, animalistic, predatory side of humanity. So many of us are under the false assumption that we are all the same inside, that if we walked in another's shoes we would fully understand their motivations. But not all inhuman acts trace back to mere environmental variables. There are cases where, even if we put ourselves in their place, we would not act the same. That is because the cause of their motivations is not environmental, but metaphysical: the absence of spirit, and the supreme reign of ego. 


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> Those who ignore the possibility of spiritless people will continue to shake their heads in frustration at behaviors they simply cannot compute and must either ignore or rationalize away. When dealing with a spiritless psychopath, for instance, such individuals are easily deceived and manipulated. 


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> Only after getting burned again and again do they realize some humans are a different kind of animal, that some humans are not remediable because they are acting fully and healthily in accordance with their spiritless predatory nature. This is especially true of the psychopathic elite who run this prison planet; they cannot be rehabilitated, made to see the error of their ways, or convinced through appeals to empathy.

    
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> Caution and Conclusion


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> It would be unwise, however, to look down upon the spiritless with contempt. They are what they are, living their lives in accordance with their makeup. They should be handled no differently from how one handles a wild animal that acts according to its feral nature. It is only by trying to hold the spiritless up to higher spiritual standards that frustration sets in. Without expecting too much of them, and by understanding why they behave as they do, frustration gives way to calm insight.


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> Nor is it worth going out of your way to try and spot who is spiritless, because in ambiguous cases you will likely err on the side of paranoia. Since spiritless behaviors form a subset of the behaviors of spirited people, only the behaviors unique to spirited people can allow quick and certain identification, and then only of who is definitely spirited. Spotting only works for picking out who is truly spirited, which happens most easily with a spirited individual on your wavelength. You will sense the life in their eyes, the clear and unique energy behind their words, and the originality and independence behind their thought processes. 
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> Appendix I: Common Questions
> How do I know I'm not a spiritless person? – If you have experienced even one trait unique to spirit, then you are not spiritless. The very fact that you have wondered this, that you are uncertain and wish to know for sure, shows self-awareness and introspection, which is another trait of having spirit. Regardless, it is better to assume that you do have spirit and work on developing its qualities like intuition, empathy, and lucidity, all the while being aware of your lower egotistical impulses and keeping from acting on them.

    
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> I suspect that my (friend, spouse, parent) is a spiritless person, what do I do? – Set aside for a moment the question of whether they are spirited or not, and focus solely on whether you can continue being with them. Are they so manipulative, draining, abusive, or otherwise harmful to your well-being that you have to get away? If so, then it doesn't matter whether they have spirit or not. Are they so friendly and easy going that you are doing quite fine having them in your life? If so, then it doesn't matter whether they have spirit or not. So from a practical perspective, you only have to be concerned with whether you can deal with having them in your life. Where the distinction between spirited and spiritless does come into play is in dealing with psychopathic people, where even after promising to change they keep returning to their abusive ways; then at some point, instead of rationalizing that they are just misguided and need even more time and attention, it is better to conclude that maybe they are acting perfectly in line with who they really are. Naive people who think everyone is equally good inside will keep rationalizing and taking the abuse, but those with higher understanding will recognize the warning signs of futility sooner and save themselves the trouble.


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> How is this concept of spiritless people not somehow divisive, racist, persecutory, and antithetical to the idea of human equality, unity, harmony, and brotherhood? – If the theory is true, that some people do in fact lack spirit, then the truth of the matter should not be ignored for the sake of political correctness. When properly applied, knowledge can lead to greater stability and harmony in the long run. For example, every attempted utopian society has failed because it was founded on naive assumptions about the makeup of its citizenry; selfish, psychopathic, predatory individuals end up corrupting the utopia. If the utopia were founded on full understanding of such types, then measures could have been put into place to prevent corruption. Also, a theory should not be blamed for the consequences of its misapplication; those who misapply it use it as a vehicle for the satisfaction of their own egos rather than applying it from a spiritual perspective. Instead of throwing out the theory because of its misapplication, better effort should be made to prevent its misapplication. Lastly, the unity of all life can be recognized without sacrificing awareness of the functional diversity comprising it; and only by properly understanding each part of that unity can the whole be recognized in full clarity instead of mere ignorant bliss. 
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    In case anyone wonders why we even need terms like spirit, soul, astral, and etheric, it is because these constitute the simplest model that explains large body of known observations, in accordance with Occam's Razor. People who ridicule the necessity of such metaphysical distinctions and believe only in the body, or only in body and soul, are leaving out certain crucial observations, thus their over-simplistic model suffices for their smaller set of givens. However, the model must be expanded to include observations by clairvoyants, the astutely perceptive, and anyone who has experienced the paranormal. In doing so, the additional concepts of spirit, soul, astral, and etheric enter the picture. I believe these are the minimal components necessary to explain spiritless people. But it explains a lot more, just see Appendix III. These terms are also not just ad hoc explanations, however. Instead of just being theoretical, the etheric and astral bodies are directly experienceable through astral projection and viewable by clairvoyants. ↩


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> 2 Amit Goswami explains with great insight how nondeterministic consciousness acquires deterministic traits through conditioning in the physical body, how quantum systems can acquire classical characteristics. See chapters 13 and 14 of his book The Self-Aware Universe. ↩
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> 3 What does it mean that the ego imprints itself upon the etheric component of the soul? For one, it ties into a lot of what Rudolf Steiner wrote concerning the etheric double, the doppelganger, that mysterious shadow side of ourselves that is antagonistic toward our spiritual well-being. It also ties into Steiner mentioning that in Asia where ancestor worship is common, demonic entities can wear the cast-off etheric shells of deceased persons and thereby receive unto themselves all the psychic energy given to that identity during worship. Further, the ego continuing after death in etheric form may explain certain types of ghosts, as well as the problem of astral/etheric impostors in channeling whereby a negative entity can closely mimic a deceased relative. All these phenomena suggest that some portion of a person's worldly identity (ego) survives death, and since it cannot be via the physical body, it must be the next closest thing: the etheric component of the soul. And lastly, when it comes to true artificial intelligence in quantum computers and cybernetic beings, it should be expected that these will be accompanied by an etheric field, just as plants have an etheric field, which would assist in the artificial intelligence having some level of "life" and not be just a deterministic machine with pseudo-random output. ↩


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> 4 The term "second death" is Biblical. "He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death." Revelation 2:11. "And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire." Revelation 20:14-15. Boris Mouravieff and the Cassiopaeans would have interpreted this approximately as follows: `overcometh' means having developed spirit, `second death' is the dissolution of the etheric and astral components of the soul, and `lake of fire' represents the undifferentiated group soul into which the soul dissolves. What does a fire do other than melt and turn to ashes, removing all trace of former identifiability? Second death happens after the first death. If the first death is death of the physical, then the second has to be death of the nonphysical. I believe this interpretation because it makes sense. ↩
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> 5 "Higher" means higher in function, not positionally higher on the body, so the throat chakra is not a higher chakra since it is associated merely with speech and intellectual functions. In the Fourth Way system it correlates with the "lower intellectual center". It probably developed or evolved along with human capacity for speech and abstract thinking, something most animals lack. That is why spiritless humans have a throat chakra as well, and why they can be intellectually sharp and have no limits to their speaking abilities. So it's one of the lower chakras in terms of function. &#8617



    Quote Originally Posted by JOSE MANUEL View Post
    Dear Rose and Seraphin


    I would like an explanation on the following question:


    What is the difference between


    SOUL
    HIGHER SELF
    SOULMATE
    ASTRAL BODY


    Who they are , and they all belong to 4 d?"bangonhead"


    Thanks for the answer
    Manuel

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    More information for Manuel:

    Please see Seraphin Answer 224 for more info on HIGHER SELF.
    Please see Seraphin ANswer 231 for info on SOUL
    PLease see Candace's comment post 231 for more info on SOUL.
    Love Rosie

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hansley View Post
    Congratulations to Seraphin and Rosie for such a thread!

    My question is about astral travel or conscious out of body experiment.
    Can you dear Seraphin shed us some light on that and explain how we can achieve this?
    I have been chasing that for a long time now and it is still unattainable!
    Is what Lobsang Rampa taught right?

    Thanks for creating such an opportunity to both of you!Hug 11

    Hansley
    I almost answered your question with my opinion Hansley and decided to wait on Seraphin.. it would be similar to Seraphins... This life is always the most important life and me.. I never wanted to do this anyway.. its a waste for me of the most important asset I have.. TIME.. .I don't want to spend it on the unnecessary....I spent some time working on manifestation and moving things... well it didn't serve in a worthy way at all .....to not good purpose. I do when thinking sometimes pop into the astral or the akashic records.. as there in an answer available but I don't make a point of trying to get there.... the mind is sufficient in itself.. you don't have to take the astral body there too.... unless you have some very special purpose I suppose....If the information is in either one.. it seems it just happens when needed... ditto also of the stuff in the cosmic mind... which your TA is the portal. Why spend time on something unnecessary.... we all waste enough as it is...What can you bring back from there that is useful? I actually have no idea.... which is why I don't spend time trying to do that.. because my mind is enough when needed... for information. I don't need to take this astral body I have only for this incarnation as part of my meat suit there to get the information.. I guess is what I am trying to say...

    the etheric or Astral form goes upstairs a lot.. but I don't effort to get it there.... if I must attend a meeting something else gets me there.. near as I can tell anyway... and I feel it coming back to the body when the meeting is over.. but I do nothing to accomplish all that. WHAT IS YOUR TIME WORTH to you? And the effort. I do have a book on "how" and it remains buried.. after I read some it.. it was simply not worth my effort as to my valuable time.. it is far more valuable in my opinion to LIVE in this now and get it done..whatever "it" is...

    Some people do go to the astral at night and I suspect I have done so.. but how and why I get there... I haven't a clue.. and I just don't want to walk my finer form thru the walls on purpose... I can remote view.. thats enough when I need it.
    Books are not the WORD.. the HUMAN BEING IS THE WORD and when MAN UNDERSTANDS HIS HUMAN ROLE... as the WORD... this planet will come into glory.

    “The ability to observe without evaluating is the highest form of intelligence.” “It is truth that liberates, not your effort to be free.” “The constant assertion of belief is an indication of fear.”
    Jiddu Krishnamurti

    "The human race must become reconciled to a procession of changes, adjustments, and readjustments. Mankind is on the march toward a new and unrevealed planetary destiny."

    "The Great Tao flows everywhere, to the left and to the right. All things depend on it to exist, and it does not abandon them. To its accomplishments it lays no claims. It loves and nourishes all things, but does not lord it over them." - Lao Tzu


  142. #281
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    Seraphin's answer to Nasica

    NASCIA’S QUESTION

    This is a summary of the question which is in German: Nasica respectfully addresses Seraphin saying that she does not know him well despite reading and appreciating the messages which address deep feelings – something which she has had difficulties expressing in this life, tending to deal with issues alone. She has had to repeat many painful mistakes, and she carries a great burden with respect to her 6-year-old child who died. Nascia asks if she was responsible, or whether it was the soul’s decision to leave? She knows he has forgiven her, but she still cannot fully accept it. In addition, Nascia would like to know whether she has duties to fulfil on earth before she goes to the new planet, Venus. Nascia also asks about the refugees – especially the young men – who have been manipulated, and what we have to learn from that.


    LIEBER SERAPHIN DEM MEIN TIEFER RESPEKT GEBÜHRT
    Ich kenne Dich nicht so gut, auch wenn ich Deine Botschaften gelesen habe. Du bist ein Lehrer der tieferen inneren Sprache und Gefühle. Die für mich in diesemLebens- Rollenspiel nicht immer einfach war / ist alleine zu entschlüsseln. Mit vielen Schmerzen musste ich durch die immer wieder machenden Fehler gehen. Ich trage eine riesige Last in mir, was mein verstorbenes 6-jähriges Kind anbelangt. Habe ich Schuld? War es seine Entscheidung? Ich weiss es wurde mir von ihm Vergeben. Und trotzdem.....Was Kannst Du mir dazu sagen?
    Und was dazu, dass ich zurück auf dei Venus will um meine Reise fortzusetzen? Werde ich bevor ich zur Venus gehe, nochmals auf der Erde meinen Dienst tun?
    Und was sagst Du uns zu den Flüchtlingen die ihre Rollen übernehmen, vor allem zu den jungen Männern, die manipuliert wurden, müssen wir dazu noch tiefere Erkenntnisse bekommen?
    Ich danke Dir und Deinem ganzen Team für diesen Raum der uns gegeben wurde.
    In tiefster Dankbarkeit, Nascia die ewige Exotin


    ANSWER FROM SERAPHIN

    Greetings to you Nasica, whom we hold in high regard. Though you do not know us intimately, we know of you and your challenges which – for the purpose of great and rapid learning – you have invited into your experience, in close consultation with all those involved (and this, by the way, can be said of all souls striving to follow the spiritual path and striving to improve themselves). For this we commend you.

    It is important to remember that the human mind, locked as it is into the human body, does not have the same ability or capacity as the GOD MIND WHICH KNOWS ALL THOUGHTS AND WHICH KNOWS THE SOURCE OF ALL ACTIONS. This is why, being able to understand EVERY LAST DETAIL OF ALL SITUATIONS, YOU ARE COMPLETLEY UNDERSTOOD REGARDING YOUR MOTIVES, AND THAT IS WHY YOU ARE ALWAYS COMPLETELY FORGIVEN.

    Do not, any of you here on earth, torture yourselves with the idea that the DIVINE DOES NOT UNDERSTAND. Neither is it helpful to think that the DIVINE HAND WORKS IN AN UNFAIR OR ARBITRARY WAY. Its way is PERFECTION, and it is your limited perspective which judges otherwise.

    Therefore, be in peace, and remember also that serious situations such as yours are PART OF THE PLAN, as blessed by prior discussion and decision BY ALL PARTIES INVOLVED. It is hard NOT BEING ABLE TO REMEMBER THIS, yet all actions and events are ultimately steered by LOVE FOR YOU and the desire to ASSIST YOU ON YOUR JOUNREY so that you may PROGRESS AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE AND AS THOROUGHLY AS POSSIBLE TOWARDS YOUR GOAL. Your goal is SPIRITUAL GROWTH - a goal which spreads over MANY AGES and which involves MANY DIFFERENT ENCOUNTERS, often with the same group of souls assisting each other.

    YOUR CHILD IS SUCH A PERSON, EVER CONNECTED TO YOU IN SERVICE, AND EVER GRATEFUL FOR SERVICES YOU HAVE RENDERED AND WHICH YOU WILL CONTINUE TO RENDER IN THE FUTURE. You will hold hands again and dance through eternity in various roles, cementing your relationship with each experience and with each incarnation.

    Concerning Venus: that which you concretely work towards and towards which you direct your attention will come into manifestation. Time – as in the remaining time before the changes come into swing – is an ENABLER OF DEVELOPPING THE PERFECT PATH TO THIS DESTINATION. We would like to draw your attention (and the attention of all those reading here) to the fact that arriving at your supposed “destination” only takes ONE SECOND, and that the path you tread beforehand, to say nothing of the path you tread AFTERWARDS, is highly significant. Do not concentrate on this single point towards which great expectation and tension is building. Do not regard this as “the ultimate”, after which you can breathe with relief or collapse in a heap or discontinue your valuable contributions. Do not assume that everything will run smoothly and effortlessly from that point on. True, there will be no impediments of the kind you presently experience here, yet you will take YOURSELVES and all your UNFINNISHED BUSINESS WITH YOU.

    Concerning the young men who are travelling in their presently chosen role of “refugee”. This is a choice and a choice of role, as all others, in the same way that I have just mentioned with regard to finding the best way to GROW SPIRITUALLY. To leave everything behind is the greatest challenge. Many of these “young men” are carrying an extra burden in the sense that they cannot leave their ideologies behind. TO FAIL TO ADJUST AND TO FAIL TO LEARN IS TO BE IN A CONTINUAL STATE OF INNER AND OUTER CONFLICT. This is their particular challenge – whether to deteriorate into violence – a reflection of the inner violence they are inflicting on themselves – or to gravitate towards LOVE. This is a time where all EXTREMES come to the foreground and when everyone is forced to CHOOSE. Note also that many manipulative forces and propaganda are at work. They, and you also, are caught in a thick jungle of lies. This is the ultimate challenge of your times – TO STEP OUT OF THIS JUNGLE. In this, EVERYONE IS IN THE SAME BOAT, and, if I may say it, IN THE SAME REFUGEE BOAT. You are all seeking refuge from what you consider to be perverse and violent and inhumane systems, and to solve this, this, YOU MUST ALL BECOME GENTLE AND HUMANE. It is as simple as that.

    Though many stories abound and though and many opinions are spreading, check yourselves continually for your own reactions and disorders, including overreactions. All your emotions of hatred and fear will enter the earth’s genetic mind. IS THIS YOUR INTENTION? Be scrupulous in your thoughts and intentions, as we have already indicated earlier. Be aware that you may see incidents or hear words which get your “shackles up”. But know also that you may be mistaken.

    We would like to draw your attention to an incident related to this scribe by a friend who was undergoing a teacher-training course for service in Africa. She was told the following by her African colleagues: “Oh, you will have a lot of problems in Cameroon if you do not smile more. You just stand at the bus stop and say nothing. You do not even greet anyone.” We leave you with this thought that so many of you are reticent and numb when faced with strangers, often pretending that they are not there. WELL NOW THEY ARE THERE IN GREAT NUMBERS. SO WHAT WILL YOUR REACTION BE? As always, it is your choice. We are watching you and wish to support you.

    We hope that our words may have provided you with some insight and some solace, dear Nascia. We surround you with our love and we entreat you to MOVE ON TO THE NEXT REWARDING EXPERIENCE, wherever you are, and whomsoever you may encounter. Seraphin.


  143. #282
    JE SUIS CE QUE JE SUIS

    Re: SERAPHIN answers YOUR QUESTIONS here

    Reply to post #276 and #280

    Thank you Seraphin and Rosie for your response.

    You couldn't be so right dear Seraphin. Very true indeed. This phrase, "This is why you are presently stationed on a physical planet in a physical body – to enhance the lives of others THROUGH THE UPLIFTING OF YOURSELVES" reflects your answer and I will take it to my heart dear Seraphin.


    And thank you Candace for sharing your wise thoughts in the matter.

    I think that I do have a mindful life and always trying to do my best in every situation which constantly comes my way. The challenges are always lessons to learn.
    My interest in the astral travel is not to escape the mundane life, no not that. But to experience God's magnificent Creation in all it's Grandeur and to learn from that. I believe that it will be something beyond imagination. And this does not stop there! I firmly believe that more spiritual help can be provided in the astral realm as one is no longer limited in his physical meat suit. What we are all waiting for will come when it will come. In the meantime why not contribute to God's plan in every way that we can. Doing it consciously during our sleep or when not physically active, I think is great.
    Anyway I guess that one only receives what he can bear.

    Love you all.

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  145. #283
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    Hello dear Friends: here are Seraphin's latest observations on the conditions - self-made conditions - in our world, together with encouragement to GO INTO ACTION and DROP ALL THAT WHICH DOES NOT SERVE THIS WORLD.

    http://abundanthope.net/pages/Rosie/...IS-WORLD.shtml

    Seraphin Message 242: EXIT THAT WHICH DOES NOT SERVE THIS WORLD
    Through Rosie, 14th October 2015

    As the world starts to gyrate more intensely around you, exposing all the absurdities and corruption which roots you to the spot in disbelief, you may find yourselves in a position of complete disbelief at what is surfacing. This is a healthy mind frame – criticising that which you cannot believe, despite the fact that it is presently part and parcel of your existence. In this way you will uncover the myriad mosaic pieces in the huge and complex workings and machinations which UNDERMINE HUMANITY AND HUMANENESS.

    How can you move from this position of helplessness, knowing of the depravity, knowing of your collective contribution to it, knowing that so many small deviations from the “right” moral decisions have contributed to the great plummeting pit which now threatens your very existence? Recognising this is part of the solution. Recognising the immense power of your thoughts, which can similarly bond with others to form a great new mesh of positive circuits, will assist you.

    In addition, it is a good time to consider WHAT IT IS THAT YOU ALWAYS REALLY WANTED TO DO and to EXAMINE IN MINUTE DETAIL WHY THIS HAS NOT COME TO PASS. Things do not simply “come to pass”. They are a result of CONCRETE STEPS, formed by CONCRETE THOUGHTS, in a certain direction. Instead of hunkering down and retiring from view, we urge you to renew your greatest visions for yourselves in these times of uncertainty, to draw up plans of great detail, to examine every aspect and to determine how you can best use your talents and skills to benefit humankind, FOR THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT YOU WILL BE DOING IN THE FUTURE.

    The future WILL NOT BE DETERMINED BY MONEY CONSIDERATIONS. The future will not be influenced by status, reputation, wealth, social standing or nationality. The criteria used to best judge the quality of your work will be whether it ASSISTS THE REBUILDING OF A NEW AND PEACFUL SOCIETY. All else will be secondary.

    So what is it which is deterring some of you little ones from following your intended path? It is precisely this. You regard yourselves as “little ones” whereas you are in fact old souls returning here to TEACH AND SHOW THE WAY. So do not hide in your garages, beavering away at your hobbies in your “spare time”. Neither time nor money will be an issue in the future. You may ask WHEN IS THIS FUTURE? The thoughts of today create tomorrow, thus you are always FEEDING FUTURE FOOD INTO THE MANIFESTATION SYSTEM.

    We would like to address today the artists among you. By this we mean ALL THOSE WHO HAVE WISHED TO FOLLOW THE CREATIVE PATH AND WHO HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO DO SO, FOR WHATEVER REASON. Know that creativity is the very blood of the new earth which shall carry joy, information and comfort. You will be the pioneers who push yourselves and others out of your limited self-created boxes in order to grow and develop your unique potential. You have suffered through the money system, through the necessity to earn your financial way, through seeing the work of others (which does not fulfil the divine mandate) of reaching success beyond your wildest dreams.

    The celebration of a grotesque culture of ugliness and destruction is another of the absurdities that you have had to face. You will continue with all freedom to pursue a worthy path. You will not pursue careers based on ego or personal accolades, but on the learning lessons they may impart to others. At this point we encourage all those, of whatever “profession”, to drop all facades and constrictions to follow your true vocations. You will see in due course why this is so necessary. You must EXIT THAT WHICH DOES NOT SERVE THIS WORLD, as this behaviour so far HAS SEALED THE FATE OF THIS WORLD. In this, each of you is extremely important. See yourselves as such and take on the responsibility of being agents of change, initiating a new way of working together and uplifting the vibrations of all you encounter. Thus will you all rise together as ONE.


  146. #284
    Be your own Sovereign

    Re: SERAPHIN answers YOUR QUESTIONS here

    Thanks Rosie and Seraphin. How very important indeed these calls are. As I read it a thought came to mind I think also sums it all up : "Don't work for a better world for you, work for a better world for everyone which naturally will include you."

    If only all could see that a better world for everyone naturally creates a better world for oneself too. Without money in the picture this will become the norm as one no longer would need to work to sustain only oneself and one's family while having little to no resources to give to the upliftment of others and the world at large. Without money as a factor in the world true service will come to the fore and through that all, as well as the world, will be naturally uplifted. No more taking, no more exploitation and control of others for the benefit and power of only a small percentage of people. The man that does not serve his fellow man by giving and regiving will soon find himself pushed aside as an abnormal pariah (outcast) of society. Only those who live to serve the upliftment of others and the world will experience upliftment themselves. Service to others will transcend service to self.

    So will it be as man learns that service to his brother and sister, world, universe, greater Creation and Creator is the greatest reward and satisfaction that anyone could possibly hope for as this would also extend to service of one's own spiritual growth as well. Nothing would be more important than that.
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    The First Duty is always to the Truth

    We are voyagers in the vast expanse, tasked with learning all that we can learn and experiencing all that we can experience and then to return to the Creator, become ONE and move on to the next level.

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    We would like to address today the artists among you. By this we mean ALL THOSE WHO HAVE WISHED TO FOLLOW THE CREATIVE PATH AND WHO HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO DO SO, FOR WHATEVER REASON. Know that creativity is the very blood of the new earth which shall carry joy, information and comfort. You will be the pioneers who push yourselves and others out of your limited self-created boxes in order to grow and develop your unique potential. You have suffered through the money system, through the necessity to earn your financial way, through seeing the work of others (which does not fulfil the divine mandate) of reaching success beyond your wildest dreams.
    smilie starFor both of you
    However many holy words you read, however many you speak,
    what good will they do if you do not act upon them?
    G. Buddha




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  150. #286
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    THANK YOU for that, Hano - it needs bumping. So many people cannot conceive of a world without money, and when they actually experience it, it will cause a major mind reset. There will be NONE of the following talking points:

    - Discussions of which job / profession / study / occupation will adequately pay the rent and support the family
    - Discussions on saving up for something you really want to buy or do
    - Discussions on how to best protect one's financial investments
    - Discussions on "expensive" tastes, wines, cars, or whatever
    - Discussions on cheap ways to phone, travel, shop.
    - Discussions on tax returns, grants, loans, interest, fees, rates, donations, pensions, profit, allowances.

    The prerequisite for all this will be a CHANGE OF HEART, meaning USE AND TAKE ONLY THAT WHICH YOU REALLY NEED. THERE WILL BE NO ROOM FOR GREED OR AMASSING GOODS FOR PERSONAL GAIN/PROFIT:

    Love Rosie


    Quote Originally Posted by Hano View Post
    Thanks Rosie and Seraphin. How very important indeed these calls are. As I read it a thought came to mind I think also sums it all up : "Don't work for a better world for you, work for a better world for everyone which naturally will include you."

    If only all could see that a better world for everyone naturally creates a better world for oneself too. Without money in the picture this will become the norm as one no longer would need to work to sustain only oneself and one's family while having little to no resources to give to the upliftment of others and the world at large. Without money as a factor in the world true service will come to the fore and through that all, as well as the world, will be naturally uplifted. No more taking, no more exploitation and control of others for the benefit and power of only a small percentage of people. The man that does not serve his fellow man by giving and regiving will soon find himself pushed aside as an abnormal pariah (outcast) of society. Only those who live to serve the upliftment of others and the world will experience upliftment themselves. Service to others will transcend service to self.

    So will it be as man learns that service to his brother and sister, world, universe, greater Creation and Creator is the greatest reward and satisfaction that anyone could possibly hope for as this would also extend to service of one's own spiritual growth as well. Nothing would be more important than that.


  151. #287
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    The prerequisite for all this will be a CHANGE OF HEART, meaning USE AND TAKE ONLY THAT WHICH YOU REALLY NEED. THERE WILL BE NO ROOM FOR GREED OR AMASSING GOODS FOR PERSONAL GAIN/PROFIT:
    And what a beautiful concept, I can hardly wait...

    Thank you once again Seraphin & Rosie for another uplifting sparkling message, such overwhelming resonance and vivid inspiration -when Seraphin encourages something, I feel like 'yes, yes...here I come, this is completely my wavelength of thought and what I have been pondering...or feeling even...and tried to express to my surroundings'

    There is this...unity feelie in the air and it's in our hearts when we listen

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    Yes, Marayah, it is a beautiful concept. Many here will already be familiar with this, but in case not, this concept also includes the necessity to MAKE A USEFUL PERSONAL CONTRIBUTION TOWARDS THE OPTIMAL RUNNING OF THINGS (I use the word contribution as an alternative to "work" or "job").

    Quote Originally Posted by Marayah View Post
    And what a beautiful concept, I can hardly wait...

    Thank you once again Seraphin & Rosie for another uplifting sparkling message, such overwhelming resonance and vivid inspiration -when Seraphin encourages something, I feel like 'yes, yes...here I come, this is completely my wavelength of thought and what I have been pondering...or feeling even...and tried to express to my surroundings'

    There is this...unity feelie in the air and it's in our hearts when we listen

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hano View Post
    Thanks Rosie and Seraphin. How very important indeed these calls are. As I read it a thought came to mind I think also sums it all up : "Don't work for a better world for you, work for a better world for everyone which naturally will include you."

    If only all could see that a better world for everyone naturally creates a better world for oneself too. Without money in the picture this will become the norm as one no longer would need to work to sustain only oneself and one's family while having little to no resources to give to the upliftment of others and the world at large. Without money as a factor in the world true service will come to the fore and through that all, as well as the world, will be naturally uplifted. No more taking, no more exploitation and control of others for the benefit and power of only a small percentage of people. The man that does not serve his fellow man by giving and regiving will soon find himself pushed aside as an abnormal pariah (outcast) of society. Only those who live to serve the upliftment of others and the world will experience upliftment themselves. Service to others will transcend service to self.

    So will it be as man learns that service to his brother and sister, world, universe, greater Creation and Creator is the greatest reward and satisfaction that anyone could possibly hope for as this would also extend to service of one's own spiritual growth as well. Nothing would be more important than that.
    Quote Originally Posted by Rose Anna View Post
    THANK YOU for that, Hano - it needs bumping. So many people cannot conceive of a world without money, and when they actually experience it, it will cause a major mind reset. There will be NONE of the following talking points:

    - Discussions of which job / profession / study / occupation will adequately pay the rent and support the family
    - Discussions on saving up for something you really want to buy or do
    - Discussions on how to best protect one's financial investments
    - Discussions on "expensive" tastes, wines, cars, or whatever
    - Discussions on cheap ways to phone, travel, shop.
    - Discussions on tax returns, grants, loans, interest, fees, rates, donations, pensions, profit, allowances.

    The prerequisite for all this will be a CHANGE OF HEART, meaning USE AND TAKE ONLY THAT WHICH YOU REALLY NEED. THERE WILL BE NO ROOM FOR GREED OR AMASSING GOODS FOR PERSONAL GAIN/PROFIT:

    Love Rosie
    For me the word "work" or "job" or "occupation" or "making a living" as used today signifies the need to do something you don't really like and don't really want to do in order to receive compensation (money) for it so that you can use the money to perhaps go and do what you really want to and would love to do. People "work a job" because they have to and not because they really want to. So few people are really happy with that which occupies their time and dominates their lives for 8-10-12 hours a day and very often at the cost of friendship, family and own happiness. All just to "have a job" so you can at least eat every day. It's such a sad state of affairs and no way to live...if there's even a chance to do that.

    In my view when you love what you do then it ceases to be work. When you love what you do then you can easily spend 12 hours "on the job" without getting tired or dissatisfied. When you're done you feel like you've been playing all day and not working at all. When you love what you do everyday then there will be no complaints but only joy, satisfaction, pleasure and endless motivation to keep on going. No longer will you be working but living and loving your joy and from that joy will come endless creative inspiration in a way no mere "job" could ever provide. You'll truly be living every moment of every day in joy and anticipation. No matter what you do every day will be like a play day, a day off.

    This is how I hope it becomes once money and all it entails is removed from the planet and humans can finally be free to live and love life and everything they do. The purpose of life is not to work all the time but to live all the time and to love any task that living brings across your path. Happiness is not about being "rich" and "successful". It's about loving what you do in and with your life and on this world that is about as close to utopia as one could ever hope to get.
    The First Duty is always to the Truth

    We are voyagers in the vast expanse, tasked with learning all that we can learn and experiencing all that we can experience and then to return to the Creator, become ONE and move on to the next level.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hano View Post
    For me the word "work" or "job" or "occupation" or "making a living" as used today signifies the need to do something you don't really like and don't really want to do in order to receive compensation (money) for it so that you can use the money to perhaps go and do what you really want to and would love to do. People "work a job" because they have to and not because they really want to. So few people are really happy with that which occupies their time and dominates their lives for 8-10-12 hours a day and very often at the cost of friendship, family and own happiness. All just to "have a job" so you can at least eat every day. It's such a sad state of affairs and no way to live...if there's even a chance to do that.

    In my view when you love what you do then it ceases to be work. When you love what you do then you can easily spend 12 hours "on the job" without getting tired or dissatisfied. When you're done you feel like you've been playing all day and not working at all. When you love what you do everyday then there will be no complaints but only joy, satisfaction, pleasure and endless motivation to keep on going. No longer will you be working but living and loving your joy and from that joy will come endless creative inspiration in a way no mere "job" could ever provide. You'll truly be living every moment of every day in joy and anticipation. No matter what you do every day will be like a play day, a day off.

    This is how I hope it becomes once money and all it entails is removed from the planet and humans can finally be free to live and love life and everything they do. The purpose of life is not to work all the time but to live all the time and to love any task that living brings across your path. Happiness is not about being "rich" and "successful". It's about loving what you do in and with your life and on this world that is about as close to utopia as one could ever hope to get.
    Well said Hano, you are right. Most people work because they have to and not because they want to. In order not to feel the pressure of the job, we need to live in the moment and even forget time as focusing too much on not liking the job, we tend to extend our dissastifaction and we feel less happy and even get more tire on it. I have learned not to focus too much on the time I spend working than not and feel less tire because of it and I tend not to worry much about how long my job is in a day; sometimes it does feel longer, especially when we don't want to work on any day; mostly our perception of time.
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    Wonderful new message there from you and Seraphin.

    we indeed badly need creativity and news ideas to forge a new path. Without the money what also would go in the bin are the waste of materials to create x amount of items a la 1 euro that no one would need anyway.
    So that Gaia ressources wouldnt be spent like we do today.

    About the art ive always felt that the art if you can even called it that dominated the second half of the 20 th century was a great enabler of uglyness in general. Who would even need the half of a cow which cadaver had been put into resin so that it would stand as a art work ?.Personaly i would have prefer the cow alive.

    Thinking about money again, it did come to me that money is one of the greatest destruction for creativity since the thought would be ah how many money can i earn from this ? Instead of asking how this new idea might help humanity and Gaia at all? .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rose Anna View Post
    THANK YOU for that, Hano - it needs bumping. So many people cannot conceive of a world without money, and when they actually experience it, it will cause a major mind reset. There will be NONE of the following talking points:

    - Discussions of which job / profession / study / occupation will adequately pay the rent and support the family
    - Discussions on saving up for something you really want to buy or do
    - Discussions on how to best protect one's financial investments
    - Discussions on "expensive" tastes, wines, cars, or whatever
    - Discussions on cheap ways to phone, travel, shop.
    - Discussions on tax returns, grants, loans, interest, fees, rates, donations, pensions, profit, allowances.

    The prerequisite for all this will be a CHANGE OF HEART, meaning USE AND TAKE ONLY THAT WHICH YOU REALLY NEED. THERE WILL BE NO ROOM FOR GREED OR AMASSING GOODS FOR PERSONAL GAIN/PROFIT:

    Love Rosie
    This statement really brings into focus the period of transition we face:
    I have amassed( in a conservative way) things like water, food, and a few selected assets. I do this under the guidance:
    1-Possible marshall law
    2-Ability to help family & friends
    3-Earth Change ahead of evacuation

    I have always considered the impact on the planet & have recycled a large inventory of raw material parts. Not so much to have more than others, but to live a simpler life without the need to work for money. I sense that this effort will again be refined to a more perfect place.

    I think my heart has been changed, just waiting the time after transition where it can more fully manifest.

    I currently have much more than I need; but don't consider it mine. Could just as well help another. My problem is helping people who should be helping themselves but are not. I hope this condition will have a remedy after return.

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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSyH...ature=youtu.be Mark had just sent me this one over skype which I have seen before... on money with Alan WATTs.
    Books are not the WORD.. the HUMAN BEING IS THE WORD and when MAN UNDERSTANDS HIS HUMAN ROLE... as the WORD... this planet will come into glory.

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    "The human race must become reconciled to a procession of changes, adjustments, and readjustments. Mankind is on the march toward a new and unrevealed planetary destiny."

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  165. #294
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    Re: SERAPHIN answers YOUR QUESTIONS here

    Hi Rose and Seraphin, I deeply appreciate the opportunity for learning and improving our understanding of things. Thank you!!

    May I ask a question?

    After all the upcoming changes, will this feeling of seclusion and loneliness finally be gone from our planet? And until then, how can we work within ourselves to get rid of it on an individual level?

    Additionally, would it be right to assume that our mission in this life - and in any life really - is actually ourselves? Not in any selfish way, but I mean, if we focus on improving ourselves and evolving in accordance to the principles of the Father, wouldn't that reflect on every aspect of our lives and thus on the lives of others and on the world itself? I ask that because I often question myself on what my mission would be, but maybe with that kind of understanding I could just stop worrying about specifics and start working on this more broad and more accurate goal... Any thoughts on that?

    Thanks again for this amazing opportunity, both of you!

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    QUESTION FROM ARITME

    After all the upcoming changes, will this feeling of seclusion and loneliness finally be gone from our planet? And until then, how can we work within ourselves to get rid of it on an individual level?

    Additionally, would it be right to assume that our mission in this life - and in any life really - is actually ourselves? Not in any selfish way, but I mean, if we focus on improving ourselves and evolving in accordance to the principles of the Father, wouldn't that reflect on every aspect of our lives and thus on the lives of others and on the world itself? I ask that because I often question myself on what my mission would be, but maybe with that kind of understanding I could just stop worrying about specifics and start working on this more broad and more accurate goal... Any thoughts on that?

    Thanks again for this amazing opportunity, both of you!

    ANSWER FROM SERAPHIN

    Greetings to you, Aritme, whose present perception is growing, and whose eagerness to progress shows clearly in the way the question is phrased. Your comments of the feeling of loneliness which many people experience is very poignant. This is so widespread, yet the basic fact that YOU ARE ALL BROTHERS AND SISTERS OF ONE UNIQUE AND DIVINE GLOBAL FAMILY has not entered the consciousness of the multitudes. The ruling emotion on your planet is – at the moment – FEAR. This is almost immediately activated whenever you perceive something or someone as being DIFFERENT FROM YOURSELF. This has caused incredible divides in all sections of your societies, and it has been a tool for exacerbating all manner of conflicts and wars, whether national or individual. Even the family unit has been under attack in this way so that family members – despite the intensity of their joint experiences – are estranged from one another instead of providing mutual support.

    How is this fear to be eradicated? It cannot be erased by simply saying STOP BEING AFRAID. We would ask everyone to look at their lives and their present position in it and look back along the long row of incidents which brought you to this point. Along the way, you will recognise all sorts of “coincidences” and chance encounters or seemingly miraculous offers of help or signs which have propelled you in a certain direction. For others, whose position is far from that they would wish to experience, I would ask them to similarly look back and discover the occasions where advice or signs were given, and which you then proceeded to ignore. IF YOU CAN DISCOVER SUCH PATTERNS IN YOUR PREVIOUS LIFE WHICH HAVE PUSHED YOU INTO THE RIGHT DIRECTION, KNOW THAT THIS WILL CONTINUE AND THAT YOUR GUIDES AND PERSONAL ANGELS ARE ALWAYS ATTEMPTING TO DRAW YOUR ATTENTION TO SOMETHING WHICH WILL INITIATE YOU INTO THE NEXT STEP AND OPEN UP THE NEXT PERSPECTIVE ON THIS, YOUR SPIRITUAL LEARNING JOURNEY. WHEN YOU HAVE DEVELOPPED THE TRUST THAT THIS IS REALLY SO, THERE IS NO ROOM FOR FEAR. THERE IS ONLY COMPLETE TRUST THAT ALL WILL WORK OUT FOR THE BEST.

    At this juncture you may ask WHAT IS THE BEST? This is part of the questions that you, Aritme, have posed. The best is SELF-IMPROVEMENT AND DISCOVERING ONE’S OWN TALENTS AND POTENTIAL, IN ORDER TO SERVE OTHERS AND IN ORDER TO MAKE THIS WORLD A “BETTER PLACE”. In this you are completely accurate in your surmise, Aritme, that working on oneself is of extreme importance, and that this is continually a WORK IN PROGRESS.

    We would like to add that THOSE WHO KNOW THEIR EXACT MISSION HAVE ALREADY LIMITED THEMSELVES. You can set the course, but the achievements are still out of view, and the achievement – if work and discipline and attention is lavished generously, will bring you to levels of action and understanding OF WHICH YOU COULD NOT PREVIOUSLY CONCEIVE. We thank you for your important question concerning your spiritual progress. This applies to all souls globally. With respect and love, Seraphin

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    Seraphin's Answer to Anette

    QUESTION FROM ANETTE

    The question is in German, so here is a brief summary in English. Anette buys vegetables from Demeter (a firm selling organic produce) and she wonders if it is appropriate to continue doing so, because in spite of their consideration for the earth and animals, they also use machines which spray substances made partially of the bones / intestines of dead animals.

    Liebster Seraphin,

    nun habe ich auch noch eine Frage an Dich.
    In der letzten Zeit beschäftigt mich wieder und wieder die Frage, ob es für mich noch passend ist mein Gemüse von einem Hof zu bekommen und zu essen, welches nach der biologisch-dynamischen Wirtschaftsweise (Demeter) angebaut wird.

    Die Absicht, dass die Erde, Pflanzen und Tiere gesunden steht bei dieser Anbauweise im Vordergrund, dennoch macht sich mehr und mehr ein Unbehagen bezüglich der im Demeteranbau hergestellten und benutzten Kompost- und Spritzpräparate breit.

    Bei diesen Präparaten werden bei der Herstellung Knochenteile und Eingeweide von toten (geschlachteten) Tieren verwendet, teils müssen diese heimlich besorgt werden, da die Weiterverwendung einiger Teile der geschlachteten Tiere offiziell nicht mehr erlaubt (teils nur geduldet) ist.


    Kannst Du etwas zu den Präparaten sagen? Diese Anbauweise hat ein großen Anteil an der Biologischen Landwirtschaft.

    In Liebe
    Anette

    ANSWER FROM SERAPHIN

    Greetings to you, Anette who lives close to the earth and has expressed her deep concern for the processes involved in organic agriculture.

    This is indeed a deviation from the highly acclaimed achievements of this particular firm. An element of compromise has entered into the scheme of things. This is, in fact, the very great danger which creeps into so many with “good intentions”, and indeed it is often the case in your corrupted world that QUALITY IS NOT UPHELD.

    While this may often be due to money considerations, there are also those who deliberately infiltrate successful enterprises which were originally pure in content. Be aware that you will not – until the changes have occurred – be able to grow or eat a vegetable which is completely untainted. Your soils and air are contaminated and your methods of determining how are also limited. You can attempt to choose to buy less contaminated products, but unless you grow the plants yourselves, you will never actually know what influences they have been subjected to. One of the most powerful element encouraging growth is LOVE. No large firm can claim that.

    As regards your choice, this is a case of picking the best, but knowing that none are optimal. We commend you for investigating into these practices. Thus will awareness be raised. There will come a time where ALL ANIMALS WILL BE CONSULTED ABOUT WHETHER THEY CONSENT TO PROVIDING FOODSTUFFS. Can you conceive of this, children on earth? We leave you with this thought which may propel you to further consider what the optimal solution would be ….

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    Re: SERAPHIN answers YOUR QUESTIONS here

    Bumping the thread, in case there is anyone out there with a burning question about their lives or our world.
    To all those reading here who are curious and who are not yet members. Sign in choosing any name and place your question here.

    And I am also placing here one of the recent Seraphin Messages concerning the WAR MACHINE which is so OBVIOUSLY AT WORK in SO MANY PLACES ON EARTH. A reminder: this is what the Seraphin Messages are about - ATTEMPTING TO COUNTERACT AND CHANGE THE BEHAVIOURS WHICH LEAD TO OUR INDIVIDUAL AND COLLECTIVE DESTRUCTION, and which RECONNECT US TO OUR GODLY SELVES. So now, here is the message I refer to:


    Seraphin Message 243: GLOBAL STAGNATION AND THE WAR MACHINE
    Through Rosie, 20th October 2015

    To say that you are caught in a global mud field of mass stagnation is a gross underestimation. I use such images to attempt – YET AGAIN – to jolt you out of your comfort zones which are actually PRISONS WHICH INHIBIT YOUR GROWTH. You find it very difficult to take a step forwards or backwards in this thick slime of deceit. You have no transparency (thanks to media controlled by an iron fist) unless you invest much deliberate effort and overcome the fear of discovering TERRIBLE TRUTHS.

    But only these truths will release you from the vice-like grip which presently holds you in your immobile position. Only huge moves – LIKE THAT OF THE WAR MACHINE – seem to be able to make an impact. But in this you deceive yourselves. You possess great power. Your failure to act has made LARGE MOVES NECESSARY. REMEMBER THIS: LARGE MOVES ARE AFOOT, LEST THE PLANET FAILS AS A RESULT OF YOUR COLLECTIVE ABUSE.

    Some of you are wrestling with yourselves, considering the next step, resulting in hours of tortured deliberation. DO THE PLANTS DELIBERATE WHETHER THEY INTEND TO GROW OR NOT? DO THEY DEBATE WHETHER TO SEIZE A GROWTH OPPORTUNITY? DO THEY ASK THE OPINIONS OF THEIR FELLOW PLANTS BEFORE THEY DECIDE TO TURN THEIR HEADS TOWARDS THE SUN? DO THEY SCRUTENISE THE RAIN BEFORE THEY QUENCH THEIR THIRST?

    This is what has been forced out of your picture of your world: THE DIVINE THIRST has been all but eradicated. It has been discouraged. It has been distorted by religions. It has been wrangled over and discussed by opposing forces. It has been preyed upon by those who use this urge for detrimental purposes. It has been denounced, forcibly transformed, weakened and exploited. Those demonstrating “spiritual thirst” have been identified, subjugated, controlled and beleaguered. You are all in a state of siege and under attack. This is reflected on the physical plane by the warzones of your world.

    Your growth potential in such a situation is minimal, almost non-existent. Yet growth is the natural state of the natural world of which you are part. DECIDE TO MOVE OUT OF THIS, inhabitants of Earth. REMOVE YOURSELVES FROM WITHIN YOUR CONCRETE HOMES AND WATCH LEAVES UNFURL (without orders from others) AND WATCH LEAVES FALLING (without the trees expressing regret). Try to conceive of yourselves as organisms of this nature, constantly expanding your consciousness cell by cell. Only then can you break the bonds of your present masters. Only then can you transform from powerless minion to SOVEREIGN SELF.

    The situation is MUCH MORE SERIOUS THAN YOU CAN PRESENTLY PERCEIVE, AND THE CONTINUANCE OF YOUR PRESENT LOW-LEVEL COLLECTIVE BEHAVIOUR HAS CONSEQUENCES SO LETHAL FOR YOUR PLANET THAT THERE ARE PLANS IN THE PIPELINE TO STOP SAME. IF YOU DO NOT STOP IT, YOU WILL BE STOPPED.

    Thus we send you YET ANOTHER MESSAGE of the same ilk as many others so far. DO YOU WISH THE WAR MACHINE TO CONTINUE? Examine your world. Pinpoint the aggression, the corruption and the abuse. And then consider every word and action you put out into this world as your contribution, examining each carefully for even the slightest trace of aggression, dishonesty and dominance over others. This enormous task we entrust to you. Seraphin.

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    Many readers here have not made a simple account.. which would allow more than just reading here and there are features to use also. I spent a week with Rosie in Korea....We stayed in the same hotel and also the last couple days with Vera. Rosie is wondrous and firmly established with AH and made great bonding with the students who came to her event. I have made connection with her Seraphin also personally.. not to do work.. but simply that getting to know each other sort of thing. Please consider Rosie's invitation .. its all about service to others...

    as a group those serving AH have given you the best of the best at this time.. and we are NOT in "new age"... we just teach and serve.
    Books are not the WORD.. the HUMAN BEING IS THE WORD and when MAN UNDERSTANDS HIS HUMAN ROLE... as the WORD... this planet will come into glory.

    “The ability to observe without evaluating is the highest form of intelligence.” “It is truth that liberates, not your effort to be free.” “The constant assertion of belief is an indication of fear.”
    Jiddu Krishnamurti

    "The human race must become reconciled to a procession of changes, adjustments, and readjustments. Mankind is on the march toward a new and unrevealed planetary destiny."

    "The Great Tao flows everywhere, to the left and to the right. All things depend on it to exist, and it does not abandon them. To its accomplishments it lays no claims. It loves and nourishes all things, but does not lord it over them." - Lao Tzu

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  175. #299
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    Re: SERAPHIN answers YOUR QUESTIONS here

    Dear Rosie and Seraphin,

    I have a question related to time. Today many of us feel pressured to accomplish things by a certain time. We also hold ourselves back from doing things because we assume we simply won't have the time to do them.

    As I understand it, linear time is an illusory concept and that in fact, we are all living in an eternal NOW in which all potentials and possibilities are held.

    For those of us who find time management to be challenging, do you have any suggestions that we can use to leverage time, or the illusory perception of time, in our favor so that we can be more effective in accomplishing our action-based goals and find more peace in our lives?

    Many thanks,

    Jeremy

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  177. #300
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    Dear Rosie and Seraphin,

    I have a question about ear tones, many times I will hear an ear tone that will last for about 10 seconds or so. sometimes the everyday noise will go quiet, for few seconds, then the ear tone will come up and fade away, and the
    background noise is normal again. The most frequent time that I heard ear tones was the week of the big New Zealand earthquakes a few years ago.

    Can you please give me some information as to what is the true cause of ear tones, also the
    pitch of the frequency of the tone I am hearing.

    Many Thanks

    Peter

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