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    1) Introduction
    2) The Unknown Adolf Hitler: Seven Ironic facts
    3) MUNICH,SPEECH OF APRIL 12, 1922
    4) Bernd-Weimar Republic
    5) Hano-Weimar Republic
    6) Butterfly-Non Integration
    7) MUNICH, SPEECH OF JULY 28, 1922
    8) "THE BEST FILM ABOUT HITLER ON YOUTUBE"
    9) Perceval-"Mein Kampf" German download
    10) MUNICH, SPEECH OF SEPTEMBER 18, 1922
    11) Perceval-Hitler Speeches in German
    12) MUNICH, SPEECH OF APRIL 10, 1923
    13) MUNICH, SPEECH OF APRIL 13, 1923
    14) GERMANY HAS REPLACED CHRISTIANITY with a pernicious cult: “Holocaust religion.”
    15) MUNICH, SPEECH OF APRIL 24, 1923
    16) Nazi Themed Cafe in Indonesia
    17) Butterfly-Swastika
    18) MUNICH, SPEECH OF SEPTEMBER 12, 1923
    19) The Enigma of Hitler
    20) MUNICH, SPEECH OF AUGUST 1, 1923
    21) Christ-Hitler in Phoenix Journals
    22) Ron-AH-Articles about Hitler, Jews and WW2
    23) Bernd-Experiences in Germany
    24) Beer Hall Putsch-BEFORE THE MUNICH COURT, SPEECH OF FEBRUARY 26, 1924
    25) Hitler in Argentina
    26) Fire from the Sky
    27) Ron-Van Helsing, Secret Societies-Link
    28) Ron-Response on Altea statement
    29) BEFORE THE MUNICH COURT, SPEECH OF MARCH 27, 1924
    30) Conversations with God excerpt-God and "Evil"
    31) MUNICH, SPEECH OF SEPTEMBER 16, 1930
    32) BERLIN: PROCLAMATION TO THE GERMAN NATION, FEBRUARY 1, 1933
    33) Ron-Response on Blake statement
    34) Massacre of Guernica
    35) Guernica -history of an air attack
    36) Guernica information
    37) SS and Gestapo
    38) THE BLACK ORDER: THE OCCULT INFLUENCE ON NAZI SECRET WEAPONS
    39) Paying Tribute to Jewish Power - 'Ah, How Sweet It Is To Be Jewish ...'
    40) Starcup-Moscow Gold and the Bank of Spain
    41) Dusseldorf, Industry Club, SPEECH OF JANUARY 27, 1932
    42) Perceval-Hitler & Occult
    43) Peter B-Response to Perceval on Hitler & Occult
    44) BERLIN, REICHSTAG,SPEECH OF MARCH 23, 1933
    45) Starcup-Tomatobubble-NWO FORBIDDEN HISTORY: TIMELINE*OF THE NEW WORLD ORDER-1931-1939
    46) Starcup-Neuschwabenland
    47) Conspiracy and Betrayal Around Hitler
    48) Ron-Hitler haters and German bashers
    49) The National Socialist Party in Third Reich Germany
    50) ADOLF SCHICKLGRUBER AND THE ‘THULE-GESELLSCHAFT’
    51) BERLIN, SPORTPALAST, SPEECH OF APRIL 8, 1933
    52) German Big Business and the Rise of Hitler
    53) BERLIN, CONGRESS OF THE GERMAN WORK FRONT, SPEECH OF MAY 10, 1933
    54) Wilhelm Gustloff
    55) The 1936 Olympic Games in Berlin
    56) Berlin, Reichstag, SPEECH OF JANUARY 30, 1937
    57) Ron-Response to Aragon-Deal to avoid war?
    58) Hano-No Holocaust
    59) The Liberation of the Camps
    60) Ron-Giving up to the Jews?
    61) PDF-Adolf Hitler Collection of Speeches 1922-1945
    62) THE POLITICAL TESTAMENT OF ADOLF HITLER
    63) How Hitler Consolidated Power in Germany-Degrelle-Part 1
    64) How Hitler Consolidated Power in Germany-Degrelle-Part 2
    65) How Hitler Consolidated Power in Germany-Degrelle-Part 3
    66) How Hitler Consolidated Power in Germany-Degrelle-Part 4
    67) How Hitler Consolidated Power in Germany-Degrelle-Part 5
    68) How Hitler Consolidated Power in Germany-Degrelle-Part 6
    69) Hitler's 'Barbarossa' Proclamation
    70) A Thoughtful Look at the German-Soviet Clash Reassesses the Second World War
    71) Examining Stalin's 1941 Plan to Attack Germany
    72) Germany's Declaration of War Against the United States, Hitler's Reichstag Speech of December 11, 1941
    73) What the World Rejected, Hitler’s Peace Offers, 1933- 1939
    74) Ron-The Two Austrians: The “artist” versus the “house painter”
    75) The Big Leak
    76) Roosevelt's 'Secret Map' Speech
    77) An 'Unknown Holocaust' and the Hijacking of History
    78) How Hitler Tackled Unemployment And Revived Germany’s Economy
    79) Rudolf Hess' 1934 Appeal to Fellow Soldiers of the First World War
    80) Ron-Why Hitler is demonised
    81) The Inside Story of the Hess Flight
    82) Goebbels and World War II Propaganda
    83) Holocaust Remembrance: What's Behind the Campaign?
    84) The 'Good War' Myth of World War Two
    85) The Destruction of Ethnic Germans and German Prisoners of War in Yugoslavia, 1945-1953
    86) Russian and German Historians Debate Barbarossa and Its Aftermath
    87) Zionism and the Third Reich
    88) Hitler’s last remaining bodyguard dies aged 96
    89) Defeat in the East
    90) Eisenhower's Rhein Meadows Death Camps
    91) President Roosevelt's Campaign To Incite War in Europe: The Secret Polish Documents
    92) Hano-Hitler and Secret Technology
    93) The Hitler Files
    94) Flight from Hell
    95) Fraudulent Nazi Quotations
    96) Saudi TV station’s ‘offensive’ Hitler ad sparks protest
    97) Hitler as 'Enlightenment Intellectual': The Enduring Allure of Hitlerism
    98) Anne Frank
    99) Ron-Anne Frank
    100) Candace-History of False Flags
    101) Ron-Germany committed no False Flag attack at Gleiwitz in 1939
    102) Britain's Secret Torture Center: Interrogation Camp in Postwar Germany
    103) How the British Obtained the Confessions of Rudolf Höss
    104) The Wehrmacht War Crimes Bureau
    105) How 'The Sound of Music' Distorts History
    106) Stalin's War Against His Own Troops
    107) American Policy Toward Europe: The Fateful Change
    108) Starcup-Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn-The Gulag Archipeligo
    109) In 'Eisenhower's Death Camps': A U.S. Prison Guard Remembers
    110) Starcup-World Almanac Jewish Population Figures Reviewed
    111) BEN FREEDMAN, ARTHUR BUTZ and EMBARRASSED REVISIONISTS
    112) Nuremberg Or The Promised Land - PDF book
    113) Interview given by Erich Priebke at end of July 2013
    114) Winston Spencer Churchill: A Tribute
    115) What We Knew: From "The Real Infamy of Pearl Harbor"
    116) West German Justice and So-Called National Socialist Violent Crimes
    117) Hitler on Judaism, Christianity and Islam
    118) Documentaries - The Rise and Fall of Hitler
    119) Behind the Balfour Declaration
    120) Yalta: The Great Betrayal
    121) Review - French Study of Israel's 'Founding Myths' Provokes Furious Attack
    122) Video -Secrets of the Dead - Bugging Hitler's Soldiers
    123) Buchenwald: Legend and Reality
    124) ''Nazi'' Concentration Camps on Staten Island?
    125) The Jews who fought for Hitler: 'We did not help the Germans. We had a common enemy'
    126) Ein Anderer Hitler by Hermann Giesler: Paris
    127) THE LAWS OF GOD AND THE CREATION
    128) The Nuremburg Trials and the Holocaust - Part 1
    129) The Nuremburg Trials and the Holocaust - Part 2
    130) Funding a Movement: German Big Business & the Rise of Hitler
    131) Jewish Galerie: Hitler hated ‘Modern Art’
    132) A MOTHER'S DAY POEM FROM ADOLF HITLER
    133) The Miracle of Dunkirk Reconsidered
    134) For Holland and for Europe: The Life and Death of Dr. M.M. Rost van Tonningen
    135) Hitler the Great
    136) The year of vengeance: How neighbours turned on each other and anarchy erupted in the aftermath of WWII
    137) BEFORE & AFTER THE 'HOLOCAUST' Jewish Population Numbers in 1933 and 1948
    138) Not Just Japanese Americans: The Untold Story of U.S. Repression During 'The Good War'
    139) Wartime Bombings of Neutral Switzerland
    140) Auschwitz: Myths and Facts
    141) Sebastian Haffner's 1942 Call for Mass Murder
    142) Russian Specialist Lays Bare Stalin's Plan to Conquer Europe
    143) Hitler, NOT Gandhi, Should Be Given Credit for the Independence of India in 1947
    144) Hitler's secret Indian army
    145) Soviet Scorched-Earth Warfare: Facts And Consequences
    146) Hitler’s amazing map that turned America against the Nazis: A leading novelist’s brilliant account of how British spies in the US staged a coup that helped drag Roosevelt to war
    147) The Boer War Remembered
    148) An Interview With General Otto Ernst Remer
    149) 89 yo Nazi war crime suspect dies in US custody before extradition to Germany
    150) The revenger’s tragedy : The British government has long denied that wartime air raids on German cities were intended to kill
    151) THE REICHSTAG FIRE WAS NOT A 'FALSE FLAG'!
    152) FDR, Pearl Harbor and the U.N.
    153) Auschwitz: Myths and Facts
    154) How Franklin Roosevelt Lied America Into War
    155) Fire In The Reichstag
    156) Book - Truth for Germany by Udo Walendy/1965
    157) Simon Wiesenthal: Fraudulent 'Nazi Hunter'
    158) An Unsettled Legacy


    Adolf Hitler is one of the most vilified, denigrated, slandered and libeled persons in all of 20th century history. He is depicted as a powermad dictator filled with hate who's only aim in life was to destroy a poor, persecuted minority (the Jews) in a fictional "Holocaust" and create a super Aryan race to rule the world in the "1000 year" Reich.

    Far from being the monster that Jewish western media and history portrays him to be, Hitler was an artist, visionary, writer, prolific speaker and a man that wanted prosperity and peace for his people but was forced into a devastating war by the money- and power loving Jews like Winston Churchill and Theodore Roosevelt. Adolf Hitler attempted to free his people and eventually the world from Jewish domination and for that he and Germany were utterly destroyed by 3 empires (the Bolshevist Jew Russians, the Jewish headed British empire and the Jewish controlled American government). A process still ongoing today by Britain, America and their Allies.

    The National Socialists (more commonly called the "Nazis", a racist Jewish term) are portrayed as more evil than hell itself and the Allies (Britain, France, America and others) were the "good guys", our "Saviors" and that continues to this day. "History is written by the Victors",they say, but that doesn't mean the victors are right or truthful as has been proven in the 68 years since the end of World War 2 and supposed death of Adolf Hitler.

    "War by deception" is the Jewish motto but I want to say "Truth by Revelation" as the motto for all humanity.

    In this thread I would like to gather the truth about Adolf Hitler, the National Socialists, the 'Holocaust' and related articles to show that they were not the monsters their enemy, the Jews, have, and still are, portraying them to be. Hitler and Germany must be restored to their rightful place in history and the Truth must be told.

    I will start by posting his speeches from the online Adolf Hitler museum at http://www.hitler.org/ and http://www.hitler.org/speeches/ and introduce you to Adolf Hitler and his vision through his own words. Here you will find the non-political and unbiased truth of probably one of the greatest leaders ever known.

    I also recommend his autobiography "Mein Kampf"- http://www.hitler.org/writings/ or in pdf - http://mk.christogenea.org/content/m...pf-pdf-version in which he lays down his story and philosophy for freedom.

    Any other contributions here are welcome.

    Hano

    http://www.hitler.org/
    http://www.hitler.org/speeches/11-09-21.html
    MUNICH, GATHERING OF THE SA
    SPEECH OF NOVEMBER 9, 1921

    On November 9, 1921--just five days after the Battle of the Hall (Saalschlacht) where fewer than fifty SA Men had beaten back more than 400 communists and Jews who had tried to disrupt Hitler's speech in the Festival Hall of the Hofbrauhaus--Adolf Hitler addressed a gathering of SA Men. The following is what he told them:

    For us there are only two possibilities: either we remain German or we come under the thumb of the Jews. This latter must not occur; even if we are small, we are a force. A well-organized group can conquer a strong enemy. If you stick close together and keep bringing in new people, we will be victorious over the Jews.
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    Look into the Mirror of History and see Today - Hano

    In this speech made on 12 April 1922 in Munich, Hitler exposes the Jew for what he truly is and issues a call to action and awareness. A call that should still be heeded today. A long speech but as relevant today as the day it was made.

    Hano

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    http://www.hitler.org/speeches/04-12-22.html
    MUNICH
    SPEECH OF APRIL 12, 1922

    AFTER the War production had begun again and it was thought that better times were coming, Frederick the Great after the Seven Years War had, as the result of superhuman efforts, left Prussia without a penny of debt: at the end of the World War Germany was burdened with her own debt of some 7 or 8 milliards of marks and beyond that was faced with the debts of 'the rest of the world' - the so-called 'reparations.' The product of Germany's work thus belonged not to the nation, but to her foreign creditors: 'it was carried endlessly in trains for territorities beyond our frontiers.' Every worker had to support another worker, the product of whose labor was commandeered by the foreigner. 'The German people after twenty-five or thirty years, in consequence of the fact that it will never be able to pay all that is demanded of it, will have so gigantic a sum still owing that practically it will be forced to produce more than it does today.' What will the end be? and the answer to that question is 'Pledging of our land, enslavement of our labor-strength. Therefore, in the economic sphere, November 1918 was in truth no achievement, but it was the beginning of our collapse.' And in the political sphere we lost first our military prerogatives, and with that loss went the real sovereignty of our State, and then our financial independence, for there remained always the Reparations Commission so that 'practically we have no longer a politically independent German Reich, we are already a colony of the outside world. We have contributed to this because so far as possible we humiliated ourselves morally, we positively destroyed our own honor and helped to befoul, to besmirch, and to deny everything which we previously held as sacred.' If it be objected that the Revolution has won for us gains in social life: they must be extraordinarily secret, these social gains - so secret that one never sees them in practical life - they must just run like a fluid through our German atmosphere. Some one may say 'Well, there is the eight-hour day!' And was a collapse necessary to gain that? And will the eight-hour day be rendered any more secure through our becoming practically the bailiff and the drudge of the other peoples? One of these days France will say: You cannot meet your obligations, you must work more. So this achievement of the Revolution is put in question first of all by the Revolution.

    Then some one has said: 'Since the Revolution the people has gained Rights. The people governs!' Strange! The people has now been ruling three years and no one has in practice once asked its opinion. Treaties were signed which will hold us down for centuries: and who has signed the treaties? The people? No! Governments which one fine day presented themselves as Governments. And at their election the people had nothing to do save to consider the question: there they are already, whether I elect them or not. If we elect them, then they are there through our election. But since we are a self-governing people, we must elect the folk in order that they may be elected to govern us.

    Then it was said, 'Freedom has come to us through the Revolution.' Another of those things that one cannot see very easily! It is of course true that one can walk down the street, the individual can go into his workshop and he can go out again: here and there he can go to a meeting. In a word, the individual has liberties. But in general, if he is wise, he will keep his mouth shut. For if in former times extraordinary care was taken that no one should let slip anything which could be treated as lèse-majesté, now a man must take much greater care that he doesn't say anything which might represent an insult to the majesty of a member of Parliament.

    And if we ask who was responsible for our misfortune, then we must inquire who profited by our collapse. And the answer to that question is that 'Banks and Stock Exchanges are more flourishing than ever before.' We were told that capitalism would be destroyed, and when we ventured to remind one or other of these famous statesmen and said 'Don't forget hat Jews too have capital,' then the answer was: 'What are you worrying about? Capitalism as a whole will now be destroyed, the whole people will now be free. We are not fighting Jewish or Christian capitalism, we are fighting very capitalism: we are making the people completely free.'

    Christian capitalism' is already as good as destroyed, the international Jewish Stock Exchange capital gains in proportion as the other loses ground. It is only the international Stock Exchange and loan-capital, the so-called 'supra-state capital,' which has profited from the collapse of our economic life, the capital which receives its character from the single supra-state nation which is itself national to the core, which fancies itself to be above all other nations, which places itself above other nations and which already rules over them.

    The international Stock Exchange capital would be unthinkable, it would never have come, without its founders the supra-national, because intensely national, Jews....

    The Jew has not grown poorer: he gradually gets bloated, and, if you don't believe me, I would ask you to go to one of our health-resorts; there you will find two sorts of visitors: the German who goes there, perhaps for the first time for a long while, to breathe a little fresh air and to recover his health, and the Jew who goes there to lose his fat. And if you go out to our mountains, whom do you find there in fine brand-new yellow boots with splendid rucksacks in which there is generally nothing that would really be of any use? And why are they there? They go up to the hotel, usually no further than the train can take them: where the train stops, they stop too. And then they sit about somewhere within a mile from the hotel, like blow-flies round a corpse.

    These are not, you may be sure, our working classes: neither those working with the mind, nor with the body. With their worn clothes they leave the hotel on one side and go on climbing: they would not feel comfortable coming into this perfumed atmosphere in suits which date from 1913 or 1914. No, assuredly the Jew has suffered no privations! . . .

    While now in Soviet Russia the millions are ruined and are dying, Chicherin - and with him a staff of over 200 Soviet Jews - travels by express train through Europe, visits the cabarets, watches naked dancers perform for his pleasure, lives in the finest hotels, and does himself better than the millions whom once you thought you must fight as 'bourgeois.' The 400 Soviet Commissars of Jewish nationality - they do not suffer; the thousands upon thousands of sub-Commissars -they do not suffer. No! all the treasures which the 'proletarian' in his madness took from the 'bourgeoise' in order to fight so-called capitalism - they have all gone into their hands. Once the worker appropriated the purse of the landed proprietor who gave him work, he took the rings, the diamonds and rejoiced that he had now got the treasures which before only the 'bourgeoisie' possessed. But in his hands they are dead things - they are veritable death-gold. They are no profit to him. He is banished into his wilderness and one cannot feed oneself on diamonds. For a morsel of bread he gives millions in objects of value. But the bread is in the hands of the State Central Organization and this is in the hands of the Jews: so everything, everything that the common man thought that he was winning for himself, flows back again to his seducers.

    And now, my dear fellow-countrymen, do you believe that these men, who with us are going the same way, will end the Revolution? They do not wish the end of the Revolution, for they do not need it. For them the Revolution is milk and honey.

    And further they cannot end the Revolution. For if one or another amongst the leaders were really not seducer but seduced, and today, driven by the inner voice of horror at his crime, were to step before the masses and make his declaration: 'We have all deceived ourselves: we believed that we could lead you out of misery, but we have in fact led you into a misery which your children and your children's children must still bear' - he cannot say that, he dare not say that, he would on the public square or in the public meeting be torn in pieces.

    But amongst the masses there begins to flow a new stream - a stream of opposition. It is the recognition of the facts which is already in pursuit of this system, it already is hunting the system down; it will one day scourge the masses into action and carry the masses along with it. And these leaders, they see that behind them the anti-Semitic wave grows and grows; and when the masses once recognize the facts, that is the end of these leaders.

    And thus the Left is forced more and more to turn to Bolshevism. In Bolshevism they see today the sole, the last possibility of preserving the present state of affairs. They realize quite accurately that the people is beaten so long as Brain and Hand can be kept apart. For alone neither Brain nor Hand can really oppose them. So long therefore as the Socialist idea is coined only by men who see in it a means for disintegrating a nation, so long can they rest in peace.

    But it will be a sorry day for them when this Socialist idea is grasped by a Movement which unites it with the highest Nationalist pride, with Nationalist defiance, and thus places the Nation's Brain, its intellectual workers, on this ground. Then this system will break up, and there would remain only one single means of salvation for its supporters: viz. to bring the catastrophe upon us before their own ruin, to destroy the Nation's Brain, to bring it to the scaffold - to introduce Bolshevism.

    So the Left neither can nor will help. On the contrary, their first lie compels them constantly to resort to new lies. There remains then the Right. And this party of the Right meant well, but it cannot do what it would because up to the present time it has failed to recognize a whole series of elementary principles.

    In the first place the Right still fails to recognize the danger. These gentlemen still persist in believing that it is a question of being elected to a Landtag or of posts as ministers or secretaries. They think that the decision of a people's destiny would mean at worst nothing more than some damage to their so-called bourgeois-economic existence. They have never grasped the fact that this decision threatens their heads. They have never yet understood that it is not necessary to be an enemy of the Jew for him to drag you one day, on the Russian model, to the scaffold. They do not see that it is quite enough to have a head on your shoulders and not to be a Jew: that will secure the scaffold for you.

    In consequence their whole action today is so petty, so limited, so hesitating and pusillanimous. They would like to - but they can never decide on any great deed, because they fail to realize the greatness of the whole period.

    And then there is another fundamental error: they have never got it clear in their own minds that there is a difference or how great a difference there is between the conception 'National' and the word 'dynastic' or 'monarchistic.' They do not understand that today it is more than ever necessary in our thoughts as Nationalists to avoid anything which might perhaps cause the individual to think that the National Idea was identical with petty everyday political views. They ought day by day to din into the ears of the masses: 'We want to bury all the petty differences and to bring out into the light the big things, the things we have in common which bind us to one another. That should weld and fuse together those who have still a German heart and a love for their people in the fight against the common hereditary foe of all Aryans. How afterward we divide up this State, friends - we have no wish to dispute over that! The form of a State results from the essential character of a people, results from necessities which are so elementary and powerful that in time every individual will realize them without any disputation when once all Germany is united and free.'

    And finally they all fail to understand that we must on principle free ourselves from any class standpoint. It is of course very easy to call out to those on the Left, 'You must not be proletarians, leave your class-madness,' while you yourselves continue to call yourself 'bourgeois.' They should learn that in a single State there is only one supreme citizen - right, one supreme citizen - honor, and that is the right and the honor of honest work. They should further learn that the social idea must be the essential foundation for any State, otherwise no State can permanently endure.

    Certainly a government needs power, it needs strength. It must, I might almost say, with brutal ruthlessness press through the ideas which it has recognized to be right, trusting to the actual authority of its strength in the State. But even with the most ruthless brutality it can ultimately prevail only if what it seeks to restore does truly correspond to the welfare of a whole people.

    That the so-called enlightened absolutism of a Frederick the Great was possible depended solely on the fact that, though this man could undoubtedly have decided 'arbitrarily' the destiny - for good or ill - of his so-called 'subjects,' he did not do so, but made his decisions influenced and supported by one thought alone, the welfare of his Prussian people. It was this fact only that led the people to tolerate willingly, nay joyfully, the dictatorship of the great king.

    AND THE RIGHT HAS FURTHER COMPLETELY FORGOTTEN THAT DEMOCRACY IS FUNDAMENTALLY NOT GERMAN: IT IS JEWISH. It has completely forgotten that this Jewish democracy with its majority decisions has always been without exception only a means towards the destruction of any existing Aryan leadership. The Right does not understand that directly every small question of profit or loss is regularly put before so-called 'public opinion,' he who knows how most skilfully to make this 'public opinion' serve his own interests becomes forthwith master in the State. And that can be achieved by the man who can lie most artfully, most infamously; and in the last resort he is not the German, he is, in Schopenhauer's words, 'the great master in the art of lying' - the Jew.

    And finally it has been forgotten that the condition which must precede every act is the will and the courage to speak the truth - and that we do not see today either in the Right or in the Left.

    There are only two possibilities in Germany; do not imagine that the people will forever go with the middle party, the party of compromises; one day it will turn to those who have most consistently foretold the coming ruin and have sought to dissociate themselves from it. And that party is either the Left: and then God help us! for it will lead us to complete destruction - to Bolshevism, or else it is a party of the Right which at the last, when the people is in utter despair, when it has lost all its spirit and has no longer any faith in anything, is determined for its part ruthlessly to seize the reins of power - that is the beginning of resistance of which I spoke a few minutes ago. Here, too, there can be no compromise - there are only two possibilities: either victory of the Aryan, or annihilation of the Aryan and the victory of the Jew.

    It is from the recognition of this fact, from recognizing it, I would say, in utter, dead earnestness, that there resulted the formation of our Movement. There are two principles which, when we founded the Movement, we engraved upon our hearts: first, to base it on the most sober recognition of the facts, and second, to proclaim these facts with the most ruthless sincerity.

    And this recognition of the facts discloses at once a whole series of the most important fundamental principles which must guide this young Movement which, we hope, is destined one day for greatness:

    1. 'NATIONAL' AND 'SOCIAL' ARE TWO IDENTICAL CONCEPTIONS. It was only the Jew who succeeded, through falsifying the social idea and turning it into Marxism, not only in divorcing the social idea from the national, but in actually representing them as utterly contradictory. That aim he has in fact achieved. At the founding of this Movement we formed the decision that we would give expression to this idea of ours of the identity of the two conceptions: despite all warnings, on the basis of what we had come to believe, on the basis of the sincerity of our will, we christened it ''National Socialist.' We said to ourselves that to be 'national' means above everything to act with a boundless and all-embracing love for the people and, if necessary, even to die for it. And similarly to be 'social' means so to build up the state and the community of the people that every individual acts in the interest of the community of the people and must be to such an extent convinced of the goodness, of the honorable straightforwardness of this community of the people as to be ready to die for it.

    2. And then we said to ourselves: THERE ARE NO SUCH THINGS AS CLASSES: THEY CANNOT BE. Class means caste and caste means race. If there are castes in India, well and good; there it is possible, for there there were formerly Aryans and dark aborigines. So it was in Egypt and in Rome. But with us in Germany where everyone who is a German at all has the same blood, has the same eyes, and speaks the same language, here there can be no class, here there can be only a single people and beyond that nothing else. Certainly we recognize, just as anyone must recognize, that there are different 'occupations' and 'professions' [Stände]-there is the Stand of the watchmakers, the Stand of the common laborers, the Stand of the painters or technicians, the Stand of the engineers, officials, etc. Stände there can be. But in the struggles which these Stände have amongst themselves for the equalization of their economic conditions, the conflict and the division must never be so great as to sunder the ties of race.

    And if you say 'But there must after all be a difference between the honest creators and those who do nothing at all' - certainly there must! That is the difference which lies in the performance of the conscientious work of the individual. Work must be the great connecting link, but at the same time the great factor which separates one man from another. The drone is the foe of us all. But the creators - it matters not whether they are brain workers or workers with the hand - they are the nobility of our State, they are the German people!

    We understand under the term 'work' exclusively that activity which not only profits the individual but in no way harms the community, nay rather which contributes to form the community.

    3. And in the third place IT WAS CLEAR TO US THAT THIS PARTICULAR VIEW IS BASED ON AN IMPULSE WHICH SPRINGS FROM OUR RACE AND FROM OUR BLOOD. We said to ourselves that race differs from race and, further, that each race in accordance with its fundamental demands shows externally certain specific tendencies, and these tendencies can perhaps be most clearly traced in their relation to the conception of work. The Aryan regards work as the foundation for the maintenance of the community of people amongst it members. The Jew regards work as the means to the exploitation of other peoples. The Jew never works as a productive creator without the great aim of becoming the master. He works unproductively using and enjoying other people's work. And thus we understand the iron sentence which Mommsen once uttered: 'The Jew is the ferment of decomposition in peoples,' that means that the Jew destroys and must destroy because he completely lacks the conception of an activity which builds up the life of the community. And therefore it is beside the point whether the individual Jew is 'decent' or not. In himself he carries those characteristics which Nature has given him, and he cannot ever rid himself of those characteristics. And to us he is harmful. Whether he harms us consciously or unconsciously, that is not our affair. We have consciously to concern ourselves for the welfare of our own people.

    4. And fourthly WE WERE FURTHER PERSUADED THAT ECONOMIC PROSPERITY IS INSEPARABLE FROM POLITICAL FREEDOM AND THAT THEREFORE THAT HOUSE OF LIES, 'INTERNATIONALISM,' MUST IMMEDIATELY COLLAPSE. We recognized that freedom can eternally be only a consequence of power and that the source of power is the will. Consequently the will to power must be strengthened in a people with passionate ardor. And thus we realized fifthly that

    5. WE AS NATIONAL SOCIALISTS and members of the German Workers party - a Party pledged to work - MUST BE ON PRINCIPLE THE MOST FANATICAL NATIONALISTS. We realized that the State can be for our people a paradise only if the people can hold sway therein freely as in a paradise: we realized that a slave state will never be a paradise, but only - always and for all time - a hell or a colony.

    6. And then sixthly we grasped the fact that POWER IN THE LAST RESORT IS POSSIBLE ONLY WHERE THERE IS STRENGTH, and that strength lies not in the dead weight of numbers but solely in energy. Even the smallest minority can achieve a mighty result if it is inspired by the most fiery, the most pas sionate will to act. World history has always been made by minorities. And lastly

    7. If one has realized a truth, that truth is valueless so long as there is lacking the indomitable will to turn this realization into action!

    These were the foundations of our Movement - the truths on which it was based and which demonstrated its necessity.

    For three years we have sought to realize these fundamental ideas. And of course a fight is and remains a fight. Stroking in very truth will not carry one far. Today the German people has been beaten by a quite other world, while in its domestic life it has lost all spirit; no longer has it any faith. But how will you give this people once more firm ground beneath its feet save by the passionate insistence on one definite, great, clear goal?

    Thus we were the first to declare that this peace treaty was a crime. Then folk abused us as 'agitators.' We were the first to protest against the failure to present this treaty to the people before it was signed. Again we were called 'agitators.' We were the first to summon men to resistance against being reduced to a continuing state of defenselessness. Once more we were 'agitators.' At that time we called on the masses of the people not to surrender their arms, for the surrender of one's arms would be nothing less than the beginning of enslavement. We were called, no, we were cried down as, 'agitators.' We were the first to say that this meant the loss of Upper Silesia. So it was, and still they called us 'agitators.' We declared at that time that compliance in the question of Upper Silesia MUST have as its consequence the awakening of a passionate greed which would demand the occupation of the Ruhr. We were cried down ceaselessly, again and again. And because we opposed the mad financial policy which today will lead to our collapse, what was it that we were called repeatedly once more? 'Agitators,' And today?

    And finally we were also the first to point the people on any large scale to a danger which insinuated itself into our midst - a danger which millions failed to realize and which will nonetheless lead us all into ruin - the Jewish danger. And today people are saying yet again that we were 'agitators.' I would like here to appeal to a greater than I, Count Lerchenfeld. He said in the last session of the Landtag that his feeling 'as a man and a Christian' prevented him from being an anti-Semite. I SAY: MY FEELING AS A CHRISTIAN POINTS ME TO MY LORD AND SAVIOUR AS A FIGHTER. IT POINTS ME TO THE MAN WHO ONCE IN LONELINESS, SURROUNDED ONLY BY A FEW FOLLOWERS, RECOGNIZED THESE JEWS FOR WHAT THEY WERE AND SUMMONED MEN TO THE FIGHT AGAINST THEM AND WHO, GOD'S TRUTH! WAS GREATEST NOT AS SUFFERER BUT AS FIGHTER. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and of adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. Today, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before - the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice. And as a man I have the duty to see to it that human society does not suffer the same catastrophic collapse as did the civilization of the ancient world some two thousand years ago - a civilization which was driven to its ruin through this same Jewish people.

    Then indeed when Rome collapsed there were endless streams of new German bands flowing into the Empire from the North; but, if Germany collapses today, who is there to come after us? German blood upon this earth is on the way to gradual exhaustion unless we pull ourselves together and make ourselves free!

    And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly, it is the distress which daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people. And when I look on my people I see it work and work and toil and labor, and at the end of the week it has only for its wage wretchedness and misery. When I go out in the morning and see these men standing in their queues and look into their pinched faces, then I believe I would be no Christian, but a very devil, if I felt no pity for them, if I did not, as did our Lord two thousand years ago, turn against those by whom today this poor people is plundered and exploited.

    And through the distress there is no doubt that the people has been aroused. Externally perhaps apathetic, but within there is ferment. And many may say, 'It is an accursed crime to stir up passions in the people.' And then I say to myself: Passion is already stirred through the rising tide of distress, and one day this passion will break out in one way or another: AND NOW I WOULD ASK THOSE WHO TODAY CALL US 'AGITATORS': 'WHAT THEN HAVE YOU TO GIVE TO THE PEOPLE AS A FAITH TO WHICH IT MIGHT CLING?'

    Nothing at all, for you yourselves have no faith in your own prescriptions.

    That is the mightiest thing which our Movement must create: for these widespread, seeking and straying masses a new Faith which will not fail them in this hour of confusion, to which they can pledge themselves, on which they can build so that they may at least find once again a place which may bring calm to their hearts.
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    Thanks for those news info, The true is that in Germany we dont have access to those Truths , beside the normal usuall Historical line of demonization of A. H. Lost the count of youtube video that i wasnt able to see because i live in this country.

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    Germany of today is in the same position it was before Hitler came to power and caught in exactly the same downward spiral. It's leaders are backboneless Jew panderers and a proud people is once more subjected to an alien being that only seeks it's destruction. Another Adolf Hitler is sorely needed but where is he or is it too late?

    I bring this information here in full for all to see and learn for awareness in Truth is the only real weapon we have against the darkness of lies and ignorance.

    Hano
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hano View Post
    Germany of today is in the same position it was before Hitler came to power and caught in exactly the same downward spiral. It's leaders are backboneless Jew panderers and a proud people is once more subjected to an alien being that only seeks it's destruction. Another Adolf Hitler is sorely needed but where is he or is it too late?

    I bring this information here in full for all to see and learn for awareness in Truth is the only real weapon we have against the darkness of lies and ignorance.

    Hano
    Dear Hano,

    The Germany of the so called Weimar Republik (in Weimar was made the first german constitution, the only existing german constitution, still valid until today!!!) from 1919 till 1933 was an independent state. Of course like every country in this world ruled by the Talmudic banksters.
    The actual "Germany" is quite different. An occupied zone, not independent at all, governed by the 4 allied powers still residing in Berlin. It is an occupied zone like the west bank in Israel, completely illegal. No constitution just a basic law of a corporation. This actual germany is a corporation. All laws have to be approved by the 4 powers and every german chancellor has to sign a paper before his/her oath in front of the so called parliament. This parliament is just a puppet show. The Weimar parliament was a real parliament of the people. This paper tells him/her who has to say. This was not the case in the Weimar Republik. There are a lot of more differences between these two "Germany". The actual situation is much worse than the former situation.
    It was the great achievement of Hitler to make this Germany independent from the banksters (and he knew who is behind). That's why they declared war on Germany immediately after his seizing power.
    With L&L
    Bernd

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    Thanks Bernd for that correction on Weimar.

    Hitler took power in 1933 because the Weimar was sinking. The republic was suffering under massive hyperinflation and had become weak under the control of the Jewish banksters. Hitler saw the need to save his people from the Jews and thus began the campaign to German independance from Jewish influence under the National Socialists or Nazis which ended in their defeat by the Allied axis powers and the occupation of Germany to this day and the current continuing slow destruction of the true Germanic culture and bloodlines by the immigration of strange cultures which do not integrate with German ways.

    Some more info on the Weimar republic:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weimar_Republic

    The Weimar Republic (German: Weimarer Republik [ˈvaɪmaʁɐ ʁepuˈbliːk] is the name given by historians to the federal republic and parliamentary representative democracy established in 1919 in Germany to replace the imperial form of government. It was named after Weimar, the city where the constitutional assembly took place.

    Following World War I, the republic emerged from the German Revolution in November 1918. In 1919, a national assembly was convened in Weimar, where a new constitution for the German Reich was written, then adopted on 11 August of that same year. In its fourteen years, the Weimar Republic faced numerous problems, including hyperinflation, political extremists (with paramilitaries – both left and right wing), and continuing contentious relationships with the victors of World War I. However, it did eliminate most of the requirements of the Treaty of Versailles, in that Germany never completely met the disarmament requirements, and eventually only paid a small portion of the total reparations required by the treaty, which were reduced twice by restructuring Germany's debt through the Dawes Plan and the Young Plan,[3] (with the last payment finally being made on 3 October 2010),[4] reformed the currency, and unified tax policies and the railway system.

    The ensuing period of liberal democracy lapsed by 1930, when President Hindenburg assumed dictatorial emergency powers to back the administrations of Chancellors Brüning, Papen, Schleicher and finally Hitler. Between 1930 and 1933 the Great Depression, even worsened by Brüning's policy of deflation, led to a surge in unemployment. It lead to the ascent of the nascent Nazi Party and Adolf Hitler in 1933. The legal measures taken by the new Nazi government in February and March 1933, commonly known as the Machtergreifung (seizure of power) meant that the government could legislate contrary to the constitution. The republic nominally continued to exist until 1945, as the constitution was never formally repealed, but the measures taken by the Nazis in the early part of their rule rendered the constitution irrelevant. Thus, 1933 is usually seen as the end of the Weimar Republic and the beginning of Hitler's Third Reich.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hano View Post
    Thanks Bernd for that correction on Weimar.

    Hitler took power in 1933 because the Weimar was sinking. The republic was suffering under massive hyperinflation and had become weak under the control of the Jewish banksters. Hitler saw the need to save his people from the Jews and thus began the campaign to German independance from Jewish influence under the National Socialists or Nazis which
    ended in their defeat by the Allied axis powers and the occupation of Germany to this day and the current continuing slow destruction of the true Germanic culture and bloodlines by the immigration of strange cultures which do not integrate with German ways.

    And here is a very true remark indeed:
    There are thousands upon thousands of intelligent, young Germans, perfectly learned and cultivated and skilled and graduated from universities, who can not find jobs.
    BUT --
    the government is daily claiming and fussing out loudly that we miss, we terribly MISS specialists, we have none, so
    we have to take them from other countries!

    So the Turks are very welcome, but they have no intention to integrate at all!
    Erdogan is visiting often, and he holds BIG loud speeches to his countrymen every time.
    He always repeats out loud that they should never forget who they are, that is, to not loose their identity.
    Last time he has asked the German schools and universities to teach in the turkish language.
    So they all take advantage of Germany, but the German language is not for them.

    The Germans have a very good organized social and health system, and feel responsible for each person.
    So the Turks bring their large family here and profit quite a lot. But it is only the man going to work.
    His wife stays at home all day wrapped in her head & body cloths, so the family speaks Turkish, of course.
    And each and every child gets one's money monthly, which money increase with every new child.
    All their vacations are spent back in Turkey, where they show their new big car, which of course
    is full with presents for everybody.

    Besides this parasitic behaviour, they have a strong clique-feeling of their own,
    and between themselves laugh at the Germans for being so stupid.

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    In my opinion, we don't know who's Hitler and what about the Nazi.
    We got only fragmentary knowledge of the story of the World War.

    What about The Nazi genocide of the Jews was exaggerated or fabricated, I guess.
    The Germans can clear themselves of a false charge, I hope so.
    호기심 많은 구경꾼, Curious bystander

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    Merope, the second world war is very well documented, albeit in a skewed, westernised, Jewish version of it but still well documented. There are tons of material out there on the war as well as tons on evil Hitler and evil Nazis. If you want to know who Adolf Hitler was then go to the links I provided, read "Mein Kampf" (his autobiography) written while he was in Lansberg prison, do your own research in the AH archives (the most dependable and trustworthy source) and other places (use discernment) and read the speeches I post here. Today's speech exposes the entire Jewish game. It's brilliant.

    Hano
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    This speech given on 28 July 1922 in Munich fully exposes the Jewish Game. It's brilliant. READ IT AND KNOW THE GAME! The game hasn't changed, only the players have.

    Hano

    http://www.hitler.org/
    http://www.hitler.org/speeches/07-28-22.html
    MUNICH
    SPEECH OF JULY 28, 1922

    . . . IT IS a battle which began nearly 120 years ago, at the moment when the Jew was granted citizen rights in the European States. The political emancipation of the Jews was the beginning of an attack of delirium. For thereby they were given full citizen rights and equality to a people which was much more clearly and definitely a race apart than all others, that has always formed and will form a State within the State. That did not happen perhaps at one blow, but it came about as things come about today and always do come about: first a little finger, then a second and a third, and so bit by bit until at last a people that in the eighteenth century still appeared completely alien had won equal citizen-rights with ourselves.

    And it was precisely the same in the economic sphere. The vast process of the industrialization of the peoples meant the confluence of great masses of workmen in the towns. Thus great hordes of people arose, and these, more's the pity, were not properly dealt with by those whose moral duty it was to concern themselves for their welfare. Parallel with this was a gradual 'moneyfication' of the whole of the nation's labor-strength. 'Share-capital' was in the ascendant, and thus bit by bit the Stock Exchange came to control the whole national economy.

    The directors of these institutions were, and are without exception, Jews. I say 'without exception,' for the few non-Jews who had a share in them are in the last resort nothing but screens, shop-window Christians, whom one needs in order, for the sake of the masses, to keep up the appearance that these institutions were after all founded as a natural outcome of the needs and the economic life of all peoples alike, and were not, as was the fact, institutions which correspond only with the essential characteristics of the Jewish people and are the outcome of those characteristics.

    Then Europe stood at the parting of the ways. Europe began to divide into two halves, into West Europe and Central and Eastern Europe. At first Western Europe took the lead in the process of industrialization. Especially in England crowds of farm laborers, sons of farmers, or even ruined farmers themselves, streamed into the towns and there formed a new fourth estate.

    But here one fact is of more importance than we are accustomed to admit: this England, like France, had relatively few Jews. And the consequence of that was that the great masses, concentrated in the towns, did not come into immediate contact with this alien nation, and thus feelings of aversion which must otherwise necessarily have arisen did not find sufficient nourishment for their development. In the end the fifty or sixty thousand Jews in England - there was hardly that number in England then - with supreme ease were able so to 'Europeanize' themselves that they remained hidden from the primitive eye of the ordinary member of the public and as 'Captains of Industry,' and especially as representatives of capital on a large scale, they could appear no longer as foreigners but themselves became Englishmen.

    This accounts for the fact that anti-Semitism in these States could never attain to any native vigor; for the same is true of France. And precisely for this reason in these countries it was possible to introduce the system which we have to represent to ourselves under the concept of 'Democracy.' There it was possible to create a State-form whose meaning could only be the mastery of the herd over the intelligentsia, the mastery over true energy through the dead weight of massed numbers. In other words: it must be supremely easy for the Jewish intelligentsia, small in numbers and therefore completely hidden in the body of the British people, so to work upon the masses that the latter, quite unconscious of whom they were obeying, in the end did but serve the purposes of this small stratum of society.

    Through the press propaganda, through the use of the organs of information, it was possible in England to found the great model parties. Already in those early days they saw to it shrewdly that here were always two or three groups apparently hostile to each other, but in fact all hanging on a gold thread, the whole designed to take account of a human characteristic - that the longer a man possesses an object, the more readily he grows tired of it. He craves something new: therefore one needs two parties. The one is in office, the other in opposition. When the one has played itself out, then the opposition party comes into power, and the party which has had its day is now in its turn the opposition. After twenty years the new party itself has once more played itself out and the game begins afresh. In truth this is a highly ingenious mill in which the interests of a nation are ground very small. As everyone knows, this system is given some such name as 'Self-Government of a People.'

    Besides this we always find two great catchwords, 'Freedom' and 'Democracy,' used, I might say, as signboards. 'Freedom': under that term is understood, at least amongst those in authority who in fact carry on the Government, the possibility of an unchecked plundering of the masses of the people to which no resistance can be offered. The masses themselves naturally believe that under the term 'freedom' they possess the right to a quite peculiar freedom of motion - freedom to move the tongue and to say what they choose, freedom to move about the streets, etc. A bitter deception!

    And the same is true of democracy. In general even in the early days both England and France had already been bound with the fetters of slavery. With, I might say, a brazen security these States are fettered with Jewish chains....

    In consequence of this widespread aversion it was more difficult for the Jew to spread infection in the political sphere, and especially so since traditionally loyalty was centered in a person: the form of the State was a monarchy, and power did not lie with an irresponsible majority. Thus the Jew saw that here it was possible for an enlightened despotism to arise based upon the army, the bureaucracy, and the masses of the people still unaffected by the Jewish poison.

    The intelligentsia at that time was almost exclusively German, big business and the new industries were in German hands, while the last reservoir of a people's strength, the peasantry, was throughout healthy. In such conditions if, as industry grew, a fourth estate was formed in the towns, there was the danger that this fourth estate might ally itself with the monarchy, and thus with its support there might arise a popular monarchy or a popular 'Kaisertum' which would be ready and willing to give a mortal blow to those powers of international supra-State finance which were at that time beginning to grow in influence. This was not impossible: in the history of Germany princes had from time to time found themselves forced, as in Brandenburg, to turn against the nobility and seek popular support.

    But this possibility constituted a grave danger for Jewry. If the great masses of the new industrialized workmen had come into Nationalist hands and like a true social leaven had penetrated the whole nation, if the liberation of the different estates had followed step by step in an organic development and the State had later looked to them for support, then there would have been created what many hoped for in November, 1918, viz., a national social State. For Socialism in itself is anything but an international creation. As a noble conception it has indeed grown up exclusively in Aryan hearts: it owes its intellectual glories only to Aryan brains. It is entirely alien to the Jew.

    The Jew will always be the born champion of private capital in its worst form, that of unchecked exploitation.... Voltaire, as well as Rousseau, together with our German Fichte and many another - they are all without exception united in their recognition that the Jew is not only a foreign element differing in his essential character, which is utterly harmful to the nature of the Aryan, but that the Jewish people in itself stands against us as our deadly foe and so will stand against us always and for all time.

    The master-stroke of the Jew was to claim the leadership of the fourth estate: he founded the Movement both of the Social Democrats and the Communists. His policy was twofold: he had his 'apostles' in both political camps. Amongst the parties of the Right he encouraged those features which were most repugnant to the people - the passion for money, unscrupulous methods in trade which were employed so ruthlessly as to give rise to the proverb 'Business, too, marches over corpses.' And the Jew attacked the parties of the Right. Jews wormed their way into the families of the upper classes: it was from the Jews that the latter took their wives. The result was that in a short time it was precisely the ruling class which became in its character completely estranged from its own people.

    And this fact gave the Jew his opportunity with the parties of the Left. Here he played the part of the common demagogue. Two means enabled him to drive away in disgust the whole intelligentsia of the nation from the leadership of the workers. First: his international attitude, for the native intelligence of the country is prepared to make sacrifices, it will do anything for the life of the people, but it cannot believe in the mad view that through the denial of that national life, through a refusal to defend the rights of one's own people, through the breaking down of the national resistance to the foreigner, it is possible to raise up a people and make it happy. That it cannot do, and so it remained at a distance.

    And the Jew's second instrument was the Marxist theory in and for itself. For directly one went on to assert that property as such is theft, directly one deserted the obvious formula that only the natural wealth of a country can and should be common property, but that that which a man creates or gains through his honest labor is his own, immediately the economic intelligentsia with its nationalist outlook could, here too, no longer co-operate: for this intelligentsia was bound to say to itself that this theory meant the collapse of any human civilization whatever. Thus the Jew succeeded in isolating this new movement of the workers from all the nationalist elements....

    More and more so to influence the masses that he persuaded those of the Right that the faults of the Left were the faults of the German workman, and similarly he made it appear to those of the Left that the faults of the Right were simply the faults of the so-called 'Bourgeois,' and neither side noticed that on both sides the faults were the result of a scheme planned by alien devilish agitators. And only so is it possible to explain how this dirty joke of world history could come to be that Stock Exchange Jews should become the leaders of a Workers Movement. It is a gigantic fraud: world history has seldom seen its like.

    And then we must ask ourselves: what are the final aims of this development?

    So soon as millions of men have had it hammered into them that they are so oppressed and enslaved that it matters not what their personal attitude may be to their people, their State, or economic life, then a kind of passive resistance must result, which sooner or later will do fatal damage to the national economy. Through the preaching of the Marxist economic theory the national economy must go to ruin. We see the results in Russia: the end of the whole economic life of the State: the handing over of the community to the international world of finance. And the process is furthered through the organization of the 'political strike.' Often there are no adequate economic grounds for a strike, but there are always political grounds and plenty of them.

    And to this must be added the practical political sabotage of the State, since the thought of the individual is concentrated on the idea of international solidarity. It is clear that a nation's economic life depends upon the strength of a national State: it does not live on such phrases as 'Appeasement of the peoples' or 'Freedom of the Peoples.'

    At the moment when no people supports the economic life of a nation, ready to give it its protection, at that moment economic life collapses. The breaking in pieces of a nation's strength is the end of a nation's prosperity, the national existence must cease altogether.

    And one can see constantly how wonderfully the Stock Exchange Jew and the leader of the workers, how the Stock Exchange organ and the journal of the workers, co-operate. They both pursue one common policy and a single aim. Moses Kohn on the one side encourages his association to refuse the workers' demands, while his brother Isaac in the factory incites the masses and shouts, 'Look at them! they only want to oppress you! Shake off your fetters....'

    His brother takes care that the fetters are well and truly forged. The Stock Exchange organ seeks without intermission to encourage fevered speculation and unparalleled corners in grain and in the food of the people, while the workmen's newspaper lets off all its guns on the masses, telling them that bread is dearer and this, that, and the other is dearer: up Proletarians! endure it no longer-down with . . .

    How long can this process last? It means the utter destruction not only of economic life, but of the people. It is clear that all these apostles who talk their tongues out of their heads, but who spend the night in the Hotel Excelsior, travel in express trains, and spend their leave for their health in Nice - these people do not exert their energies for love of the people. No, the people is not to profit, it shall merely be brought into dependence on these men. The backbone of its independence, its own economic life, is to be destroyed, that it may the more surely relapse into the golden fetters of the perpetual interest-slavery of the Jewish race. And this process will end when suddenly out of the masses someone arises who seizes the leadership, finds other comrades and fans into flame the passions which have been held in check and looses them against the deceivers.


    That is the lurking danger, and the Jew can meet it in one way only - by destroying the hostile national intelligentsia. That is the inevitable ultimate goal of the Jew in his revolution. And this aim he must pursue; he knows well enough his economics brings no blessing: his is no master people: he is an exploiter: the Jews are a people of robbers. He has never founded any civilization, though he has destroyed civilizations by the hundred. He possesses nothing of his own creation to which he can point.

    Everything that he has is stolen. Foreign peoples, foreign workmen build him his temples, it is foreigners who create and work for him: it is foreigners who shed their blood for him. He knows no 'people's army': he has only hired mercenaries who are ready to go to death on his behalf. He has no art of his own: bit by bit he has stolen it all from the other peoples or has watched them at work and then made his copy. He does not even know how merely to preserve the precious things which others have created: as he turns the treasures over in his hand they are transformed into dirt and dung. He knows that he cannot maintain any State for long. That is one of the differences between him and the Aryan. True, the Aryan also has dominated other peoples. But how? He entered on the land, he cleared the forests; out of wildernesses he has created civilizations, and he has not used the others for his own interests, he has, so far as their capacities permitted, incorporated them into his State and through him art and science were brought to flower. In the last resort it was the Aryan and the Aryan alone who could form States and could set them on their path to future greatness.

    All that the Jew cannot do. And because he cannot do it, therefore all his revolutions must be 'international.' They must spread as a pestilence spreads. He can build no State and say 'See here, Here stands the State, a model for all. Now copy us!' He must take care that the plague does not die, that it is not limited to one place, or else in a short time this plague-hearth would burn itself out. So he is forced to bring every mortal thing to an international expansion. For how long? Until the whole world sinks in ruins and brings him down with it in the midst of the ruins.

    That process today in Russia is practically complete. The whole of present-day Russia has nothing to show beyond a ruined civilization, a colony ripe for development through alien capital, and even this capital in order to supply resources in labor for its practical work must introduce Aryan intellects, since for this again the Jew is useless. Here, too, he is all rapacity, never satisfied. He knows no ordered economy, he knows no ordered body of administrators. Over there in Russia he is laying his hands on everything. They take the noble's diamonds to help 'the People.' The diamonds then stray into foreign societies and are no more seen. He seizes to himself the treasures of the churches, but not to feed the people: oh no! Everything wanders away and leaves not a trace behind. In his greed he has become quite senseless: he can keep hold of nothing: he has only within him the instinct for destruction, and so he himself collapses with the treasure that he has destroyed.

    It is a tragic fate: we have often grown excited over the death of a criminal: if an anarchist is shot in Spain we raise a mighty howl over 'the sacrifice of valuable human blood' . . . and here in the East thirty million human beings are being slowly martyred - done to death, some on the scaffold, some by machine guns . . . millions upon millions through starvation.... A whole people is dying, and now we can perhaps understand how it was possible that formerly all the civilizations of Mesopotamia disappeared without a trace so that one can only with difficulty find in the desert sand the remains of these cities. We see how in our own day whole countries die out under this scourge of God, and we see how this scourge is threatening Germany, too, and how with us our own people in mad infatuation is contributing to bring upon itself the same yoke, the same misery.

    We know that the Revolution which began in 1918 has covered perhaps but the first third of its course. Two things, however, there are which must scourge it forward upon its way: economic causes and political causes. On the economic side, the ever-growing distress, and in the political sphere, are not nearly all Germans in their hearts - let each one admit it - in despair when they consider the situation which leaves us quite defenseless in face of a Europe which is so hostile to Germany? AND WHY IS EUROPE HOSTILE? WE SEE HOW OVER THERE IN THIS OTHER EUROPE IT IS NOT THE PEOPLES WHICH AGITATE AGAINST US, IT IS THE SECRET POWER OF THE ORGANIZED PRESS WHICH CEASELESSLY POURS NEW POISON INTO THE HEARTS OF THESE PEOPLES.

    And who are then these bandits of the press? The brothers and the relatives of the publishers of our own newspapers. And the capital source which provides the energy which here - and there - drives them forward is the Jewish dream of World Supremacy.

    Today the idea of international solidarity has lost its force, one can still bring men out of the factories, but only by means of terrorism. If you ask for an honest answer the worker will confess that he no longer believes in this international solidarity. And the belief in the so-called reasonableness of the other peoples has gone too. How often have we been told that reason will lead them not to be too hard with us: true, reason should have moved them thus, but what did move them had nothing to do with reason. For here there is no question of the thought of reasonable peoples: it is the thought of a wild beast, tearing, raging in its unreason, that drives all of them to the same ruin as that to which we ourselves are driven.

    So the masses of the people in Germany are becoming, in the political sphere, completely lost. Yet here and there people are beginning to get some practice in criticism. Slowly, cautiously, and yet with a certain accuracy the finger is being placed on the real wound of our people. And thus one comes to realize: if only this development goes on for a time, it might be possible that from Germany the light should come which is destined to light both Germany and the world to their salvation. And at that point the everlasting lie begins to work against us with every means in its power....

    It is said, if one criticizes the state of affairs to which we have been brought today, that one is a reactionary, a monarchist, a pan-German. I ask you what would probably have been the state of Germany today if during these three years there had been no criticism at all? I believe that in fact there has been far, far too little criticism. OUR PEOPLE UNFORTUNATELY IS MUCH TOO UNCRITICAL, OR OTHERWISE IT WOULD LONG AGO HAVE NOT ONLY SEEN THROUGH MANY THINGS, BUT WOULD HAVE SWEPT THEM AWAY WITH ITS FIST! The crisis is developing towards its culmination. The day is not far distant when, for the reasons which I have stated, the German Revolution must be carried forward another step. The leaders know all too well that things cannot always go on as they are going today. One may raise prices ten times by 100 per cent, but it is doubtful if in the end even a German will accept a milliard of marks for his day's wage if in the last resort with his milliard-wage he must still starve. It is a question whether one will be able to keep up this great fraud upon the nation. There will come a day when this must stop - and therefore one must build for that day, before it comes.

    And so now Germany is reaching that stage which Russia has drunk to the lees. Now in one last stupendous assault they will finally crush all criticism, all opposition, no, rather whatever honesty is still left to us, and that they will do the more rapidly the more clearly they see that the masses are beginning to understand one thing - National Socialist teaching.

    Whether for the moment it comes to them under that name or under another, the fact is that everywhere more and more it is making headway. Today all these folk cannot yet belong to a single party, but, wherever you go, in Germany, yes almost in the whole world, you find already millions of thinking men who know that a State can be built only on a social foundation and they know also that the deadly foe of every social conception is the international Jew.

    Every truly national idea is in the last resort social, i.e., he who is prepared so completely to adopt the cause of his people that he really knows no higher ideal than the prosperity of this - his own - people, he who has so taken to heart the meaning of our great song 'Deutschland, Deutschland uber alles,' that nothing in this world stands for him higher than this Germany, people and land, land and people, he is a Socialist! And he who in this people sympathizes with the poorest of its citizens, who in this people sees in every individual a valuable member of the whole community, and who recognizes that this community can flourish only when it is formed not of rulers and oppressed but when all according to their capacities fulfill their duty to their Fatherland and the community of the people and are valued accordingly, he who seeks to preserve the native vigor, the strength, and the youthful energy of the millions of working men, and who above all is concerned that our precious possession, our youth, should not before its time be used up in unhealthy harmful work - he is not merely a Socialist, but he is also National in the highest sense of that word.

    It is the teaching of these facts which appears to the Jews as leaders of the Revolution today to constitute a threatening danger. And it is precisely this which more than anything else makes the Jew wish to get in his blow as soon as possible. For one thing he knows quite well: in the last resort there is only one danger which he has to fear-and that danger is this young Movement.

    He knows the old parties. They are easily satisfied. Only endow them with a few seats as ministers or with similar posts and they are ready to go along with you. And in especial he knows one thing: they are so innocently stupid. In their case the truth of the old saying is proved afresh every day: 'Those whom the gods wish to destroy, they first strike with blindness.' They have been struck with blindness: therefore it follows that the gods wish to destroy them. Only look at these parties and their leaders, Stresemann and the rest of them. They are indeed not dangerous. They never go to the roots of the evil: they all still think that with forbearance, with humanity, with accommodation they can fight a battle which has not its equal in this world. Through gentleness they think that they must demonstrate to the enemy of the Left that they are ready for appeasement so as to stay the deadly cancerous ulcer through a policy of moderation.

    No! A thousand times No! Here there are only two possibilities: either victory or defeat!

    What today is the meaning of these great preparations for the decisive battle on the part of bolshevist Judaism?-

    To make the nation defenseless in arms and to make the people defenseless in spirit.

    Two great aims!

    Abroad Germany is already humiliated. The State trembles before every French Negro-captain, the nation is no longer dangerous. And within Germany they have seen to it that arms should be taken away from the decent elements of the people and that in their stead Russian-Jewish-bolshevist bands should be armed. Only one thing remains still to do: viz., the muzzling of the spirit, above all the arrest of the evil 'agitators' - that is the name they give to those who dare to tell the people the truth. Not only are their organizations to be known to all, but the masses are to be incited against their persons. Just as the Jew could once incite the mob of Jerusalem against Christ, so today he must succeed in inciting folk who have been duped into madness to attack those who, God's truth! seek to deal with this people in utter honesty and sincerity. And so he begins to intimidate them, and he knows that this pressure in itself is enough to shut the mouths of hundreds, yes, of thousands. For they think, if I only hold my tongue, then I shall be safe in case they come into power. No, my friend. The only difference will be that I may hang perhaps still talking, while you will hang - in silence. Here, too, Russia can give us countless examples, and with us it will be the same story.

    We know that the so-called 'Law for the Protection of the Republic' which comes from Berlin today is nothing else than a means for reducing all criticism to silence. We know, too, that no effort will be spared so that the last outstanding personalities - those who within Germany foresee the coming of disaster - shall in good time disappear. And to that end the population of North Germany will be scourged into opposition to Bavaria with every lie and every misrepresentation that comes to hand. Up there they have the feeling that in one corner of the Reich the spirit of the German people is not yet broken. And that is the point to which we National Socialists have to grapple ourselves. We National Socialists are, God's truth! perhaps the most loyal, the most devoted of all men to our German Fatherland. For three years we have waged a war, often against death and devil, but always only for our German Fatherland. We got so far that at the last, as crown of all our labors, we had to land in prison. But in spite of everything there is one thing we would say: We do make a distinction between a Government and the German Fatherland. When today here in the Landtag or in the Reichstag at Berlin some lousy half-Asiatic youth casts in our teeth the charge that we have no loyalty to the Reich, I beg you do not distress yourselves. The Bavarian people has sealed its loyalty to the Reich with its countless regiments which fought for the Reich and often sank under the earth two or three times. We are convinced, and that in the last resort is our one great faith, that out of this bitterest distress and this utter misery the German Reich will rise again, but not as now, not as the offspring of wretchedness and misery - we shall possess once again a true German Reich of freedom and of honor, a real Fatherland of the whole German people and not an asylum for alien swindlers. There is today constant talk about 'Federalism,' etc. I beg you not to abuse the Prussians while at the same time you grovel before the Jews, but show yourselves stiff-necked against the folk of Berlin. And if you do that, then you will have on your side in the whole of Germany millions and millions of Germans, whether they be Prussians or men of Baden, Wurttembergers, men of Saxony, or Germans of Austria. Now is the hour to stand stiff-necked and resist to the last!

    We National Socialists who for three years have done nothing but preach - abused and insulted by all, by some mocked and scorned, by others traduced and slandered - we cannot retreat! For us there is only one path which leads straight ahead. We know that the fight which now is blazing will be a hard struggle. It will not be fought out in the court of the Reich at Leipzig, it will not be fought out in a cabinet at Berlin, it will be fought out through those factors which in their hard reality have ever up to the present time made world history. I heard recently in the speech of a minister that the rights of a State cannot be set aside through simple majority decisions, but only through treaties. BISMARCK ONCE USED DIFFERENT LANGUAGE ON THIS SUBJECT: HE THOUGHT THAT THE DESTINIES OF PEOPLES COULD BE DETERMINED NEITHER THROUGH MAJORITY DECISIONS NOR THROUGH TREATIES, BUT ONLY THROUGH BLOOD AND IRON.

    On one point there should be no doubt: we will not let the Jews slit our gullets and not defend ourselves. Today in Berlin they may already be arranging their festival-dinners with the Jewish hangmen of Soviet Russia - that they will never do here. They may today begin to set up the Cheka - the Extraordinary Commission - in Germany, they may give it free scope, we surrender to such a Jewish Commission never! We have the conviction, firm as a rock, that, if in this State seven million men are determined to stand by their 'No' to the very last, the evil specter will collapse into nothingness in the rest of the Reich. For what Germany needs today, what Germany longs for ardently, is a symbol of power, and strength.

    So as I come to the end of my speech I want to ask something of those among you who are young. And for that there is a very special reason. The old parties train their youth in the gift of the gab, we prefer to train them to use their bodily strength. For I tell you: the young man who does not find his way to the place where in the last resort the destiny of his people is most truly represented, only studies philosophy and in a time like this buries himself behind his books or sits at home by the fire, he is no German youth! I call upon you! Join our Storm Divisions! And however many insults and slanders you may hear if you do join, you all know that the Storm Divisions have been formed for our protection, for your protection, and at the same time not merely for the protection of the Movement, but for the protection of a Germany that is to be. If you are reviled and insulted, good luck to you, my boys! You have the good fortune already at eighteen or nineteen years of age to be hated by the greatest of scoundrels. What others can win only after a lifetime of toil, this highest gift of distinguishing between the honest man and the brigand, falls as a piece of luck into your lap while you are but youths. You can be assured that the more they revile you, the more we respect you. We know that if you were not there, none of us would make another speech. We know, we see clearly that our Movement would be cudgelled down if you did not protect it! You are the defense of a Movement that is called one day to remodel Germany in revolutionary fashion from its very foundations in order that there may come to birth what perhaps so many expected on the ninth of November: a German Reich and a Germanic and, so far as in us lies, a German Republic.

    Every battle must be fought to the end - better that it come early than late. And he ever stands most securely who from the first goes to the fight with the greatest confidence. And this highest confidence we can carry with us in our hearts. For he who on our side is today the leader of the German people, God's truth! he has nothing to win but perhaps only everything to lose. He who today fights on our side cannot win great laurels, far less can he win great material goods - it is more likely that he will end up in jail. He who today is leader must be an idealist, if only for the reason that he leads those against whom it would seem that everything has conspired.

    But in that very fact there lies an inexhaustible source of strength. The conviction that our Movement is not sustained by money or the lust for gold, but only by our love for the people, that must ever give us fresh heart, that must ever fill us with courage for the fray.

    And as my last word, take with you this assurance: if this battle should not come, never would Germany win peace. Germany would decay and at the best would sink to ruin like a rotting corpse. But that is not our destiny. We do not believe that this misfortune which today our God sends over Germany has no meaning: it is surely the scourge which should and shall drive us to a new greatness, to a new power and glory, to a Germany which for the first time shall fulfill that which in their hearts millions of the best of our fellow countrymen have hoped for through the centuries and the millennia, to the Germany of the German people!
    The Dark of the Long Night shall give way to the Light of the Eternal Day and HUman shall eternally be the Keeper of the Light as the Heart of the One

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    Published on Apr 5, 2012
    "THE BEST FILM ABOUT HITLER ON YOUTUBE" The "standard" biographies of Adolf Hitler are inadequate and fundamentally flawed, says American historian Russell Stolfi in his remarkable new book 'Hitler: Beyond Evil and Tyranny' The Zionist controlled mass media, and even supposedly scholarly works, portray the German leader as a monstrous, criminal demagogue who was driven by irrational hatred and lust for power. In fact, contends Stolfi, Hitler was a prophetic, messianic and visionary figure, who should be understood and appreciated along with such towering personalities as Julius Caesar, Napoleon, Mohammed and Jesus. Stolfi's important book not only provides much-needed historical perspective. It is itself an expression of an inevitable trend toward a more valid and truthful understanding of an extraordinary historical figure. READ THE BOOK: Hitler: Beyond Evil and Tyranny by Stolfi:
    http://www.amazon.com/Hitler-R-H-S-St...




    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=b0cx3cS0ncM

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hano View Post
    Merope, the second world war is very well documented, albeit in a skewed, westernised, Jewish version of it but still well documented. There are tons of material out there on the war as well as tons on evil Hitler and evil Nazis. If you want to know who Adolf Hitler was then go to the links I provided, read "Mein Kampf" (his autobiography) written while he was in Lansberg prison, do your own research in the AH archives (the most dependable and trustworthy source) and other places (use discernment) and read the speeches I post here. Today's speech exposes the entire Jewish game. It's brilliant.

    Hano
    yes, Hano, the world war II might be documented, I guess.
    and your saying 'Jewish game' ... uhm, don't know, but almost certain with my intuition.

    by the way this book is the mein kampf?
    mein-kampf.jpg
    호기심 많은 구경꾼, Curious bystander

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    Quote Originally Posted by merope View Post
    yes, Hano, the world war II might be documented, I guess.
    and your saying 'Jewish game' ... uhm, don't know, but almost certain with my intuition.

    by the way this book is the mein kampf?
    mein-kampf.jpg
    Yes, that's the book. As to the 'Jewish game' - History and Today's world is witness to that. Dig a bit, like I suggested, and you will be amazed at how big and old that game is. Educate yourself and you will see it being played everywhere and with our very lives.

    Hano
    The Dark of the Long Night shall give way to the Light of the Eternal Day and HUman shall eternally be the Keeper of the Light as the Heart of the One

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    Quote Originally Posted by BeeGee View Post
    Published on Apr 5, 2012
    "THE BEST FILM ABOUT HITLER ON YOUTUBE" The "standard" biographies of Adolf Hitler are inadequate and fundamentally flawed, says American historian Russell Stolfi in his remarkable new book 'Hitler: Beyond Evil and Tyranny' The Zionist controlled mass media, and even supposedly scholarly works, portray the German leader as a monstrous, criminal demagogue who was driven by irrational hatred and lust for power. In fact, contends Stolfi, Hitler was a prophetic, messianic and visionary figure, who should be understood and appreciated along with such towering personalities as Julius Caesar, Napoleon, Mohammed and Jesus. Stolfi's important book not only provides much-needed historical perspective. It is itself an expression of an inevitable trend toward a more valid and truthful understanding of an extraordinary historical figure. READ THE BOOK: Hitler: Beyond Evil and Tyranny by Stolfi:
    http://www.amazon.com/Hitler-R-H-S-St...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=b0cx3cS0ncM
    I embedded this video in the Video Knowledge Base thread for easier viewing. Thanks again BeeGee.
    http://www.abundanthope.net/talkitup...Knowledge-Base
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hano View Post
    Yes, that's the book. As to the 'Jewish game' - History and Today's world is witness to that. Dig a bit, like I suggested, and you will be amazed at how big and old that game is. Educate yourself and you will see it being played everywhere and with our very lives.

    Hano
    thanx hano, my brother.
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    Quote Originally Posted by merope View Post
    yes, Hano, the world war II might be documented, I guess.
    and your saying 'Jewish game' ... uhm, don't know, but almost certain with my intuition.

    by the way this book is the mein kampf?
    mein-kampf.jpg
    This is one of the book we arent allow by laws to read in German

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    Quote Originally Posted by Starcup View Post
    This is one of the book we arent allow by laws to read in German

    One can read "Mein Kampf" in German by downloading it as PDF in the Internet, e.g.

    http://pdfcast.org/download/adolf-hi...te-fassung.pdf

    or

    http://aryanism.net/downloads/books/...pf-deutsch.pdf

    The first Link is just a kind of photo copy of an original book from Germany in 1943.

    The second link from the organization "aryanism", an organization, which I do not know, shows the same texts.

    Thus, they refer both to the same book, I checked this, however I was not familiar with the book at all.


    One can find other original texts and books from the NS Party in German in:

    http://nseuropa.org/MAIN-de.htm

    I found this site some time ago and was attracted by a book of Alfred Rosenberg, who was an important person in the NS party

    (for Alfred Rosenberg, refer to Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_Rosenberg).

    In a script of 38 pages Rosenberg explained details of the Talmud, the book in German language from 1943 is called:

    "Unmoral im Talmud" (translated into English: "Immorality in the Talmud").

    Link: http://nseuropa.org/German/Alfred%20...ud.%201943.pdf


    The site " nseuropa " seems to be organized from Russia, see: http://nseuropa.org/


    " Immorality in the Talmud " is not translated into English on this site but other books of the NS Party are available in translations into English and also in other languages.

    " Immorality in the Talmud " was sold at Amazon:

    http://www.amazon.com/647-Immorality.../dp/B000X4QVMO

    The Amazon Link shows other English translations of Rosenberg as well, which could be found also in English somewhere in the net, I suppose.


    Another book of Rosenberg is:

    "Die Protokolle der Weisen von Zion und die Jüdische Weltpolitik" (translated into English: "The protocols of the Elders of Zion and the Jewish international politics").

    http://nseuropa.org/German/Alfred%20...eltpolitik.pdf


    Same status as the book before: available on this website in German, not in English.


    Thus, it is possible to study the original NS books in German language, if one is interested.

    I am not spending much time with it, but I think it is important to know, especially for Germans that such original literature is made available by people from other countries.

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    (for Alfred Rosenberg, refer to Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_Rosenberg).



    Greetings everyone... For those who are not aware, Wikipedia is a Jewish owned and controlled site

    so I suggest anything to do with Jews or Germany is "flavoured" to their taste !!!

    Blessings Brian

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    please, tell me what they do not own and control...

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    Brian, you are right with Wikipedia, but:

    one still gets a lot of useful historical information from Wikipedia (besides lies about the political intentions of Rosenberg and the NS party and sure also about Holy Hoax); it is still very useful information, I would say to more than 80%.

    You can find also references to books of Rosenberg there.
    I thought it would be clear, that discernment is required with respect to Wikipedia. Never mind, now it is clear for everyone! Thanks to you.
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    Thank you to everyone for your contributions to this thread and I would like to ask that we keep the material here around Hitler and the NS (National Socialist) party and those involved with it which of course includes discussions on limitation or elimination of Jewish ways which was the main driving force behind everything he did. Anything directly connected to Hitler and his vision for Germany. So far it all looks great!

    My aim here is to build up a database of various true Hitler related material from where-ever we can find it for a kind of 1-stop information centre for now and for the teaching period to come. I was thinking of also placing all the AH archive articles on Hitler here so it's all conveniantly together. Thanks for all your input.

    A request please. If someone would be willing to translate these speeches or know where it can be found in other languages (I could't find non-English versions) and place it in the various language sections for a broader exposure to our non-English readers, that would be much appreciated and helpful. Thanks very much.

    And now to continue.....

    This speech excerpt is from a speech given in Munich on 18 September 1922. It deals with Jewish economics and what to do about it.

    http://www.hitler.org/
    http://www.hitler.org/speeches/09-18-22.html
    MUNICH
    SPEECH OF SEPTEMBER 18, 1922

    . . . ECONOMICS is a secondary matter. World history teaches us that no people became great through economics: it was economics that brought them to their ruin. A people died when its race was disintegrated. Germany, too, did not become great through economics.

    A people that in its own life [volkisch] has lost honor becomes politically defenseless, and then becomes enslaved also in the economic sphere.

    Internationalization today means only Judaization. We in Germany have come to this: that a sixty-million people sees its destiny to lie at the will of a few dozen Jewish bankers. This was possible only because our civilization had first been Judaized. The undermining of the German conception of personality by catchwords had begun long before. Ideas such as 'Democracy,' 'Majority,' 'Conscience of the World,' 'World Solidarity,' 'World Peace,' 'Internationality of Art,' etc., disintegrate our race-consciousness, breed cowardice, and so today we are bound to say that the simple Turk is more man than we are.

    No salvation is possible until the bearer of disunion, the Jew, has been rendered powerless to harm.

    1. We must call to account the November criminals of 1918. It cannot be that two million Germans should have fallen in vain and that afterwards one should sit down as friends at the same table with traitors. No, we do not pardon, we demand - Vengeance!

    2. The dishonoring of the nation must cease. For betrayers of their Fatherland and informers the gallows is the proper place. Our streets and squares shall once more bear the names of our heroes; they shall not be named after Jews. In the Question of Guilt we must proclaim the truth.

    3. The administration of the State must be cleared of the rabble which is fattened at the stall of the parties.

    4. The present laxity in the fight against usury must be abandoned. Here the fitting punishment is the same as that for the betrayers of their Fatherland.

    5. WE MUST DEMAND A GREAT ENLIGHTENMENT ON THE SUBJECT OF THE PEACE TREATY. WITH THOUGHTS OF LOVE? NO! BUT IN HOLY HATRED AGAINST THOSE WHO HAVE RUINED US.

    6. The lies which would veil from us our misfortunes must cease. The fraud of the present money-madness must be shown up. That will stiffen the necks of us all.

    7. AS FOUNDATION FOR A NEW CURRENCY THE PROPERTY OF THOSE WHO ARE NOT OF OUR BLOOD MUST DO SERVICE. If families who have lived in Germany for a thousand years are now expropriated, we must do the same to the Jewish usurers.

    8. WE DEMAND IMMEDIATE EXPULSION OF ALL JEWS WHO HAVE ENTERED GERMANY SINCE 1914, and of all those, too, who through trickery on the Stock Exchange or through other shady transactions have gained their wealth.

    9. The housing scarcity must be relieved through energetic action; houses must be granted to those who deserve them. Eisner said in 1918 that we had no right to demand the return of our prisoners - he was only saying openly what all Jews were thinking. People who so think must feel how life tastes in a concentration camp!

    Extremes must be fought by extremes. Against the infection of materialism, against the Jewish pestilence we must hold aloft a flaming ideal. And if others speak of the World and Humanity we say the Fatherland - and only the Fatherland!
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    Re: Adolf Hitler - The Truth

    One German speaking person had asked me by PM if I could find those of Hitler's speeches, which are posted by Hano in English in the German original, somewhere in the Internet.

    I found: http://ia700504.us.archive.org/1/items/AdolfHitlersRedenAdolfHitlersSpeeches/Hitlers_Speeches.pdf

    They start with 22 April 1922 and finish with 1924.

    The one of 28 July 1922 starts on page 21, for example.

    It is written in the old German script "Fraktur" (sometimes called "Gothic"): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fraktur

    "Fraktur" is also Latin alphabet, but with other "pictures" of the letters or another very different font, telling it in "computer speak".

    I have read that from 1915 on "normal Latin" (Antiqua-type fonts) and the old German script were taught both in Germany and used in parallel (before it was only the old German script). In 1933 the Nazi Government decided that only "Fraktur" shall be used and in 1941 they switched to only "Antiqua-type fonts" (often called simply "Latin").

    I was surprised that I can read it, because I was not taught at school and I do not have books with it, definitely I could not write it.

    Perceval


    Finally a word of Hitler on this (again from Wikipedia, which might be true in this case:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antiqua...raktur_dispute ).

    " It is more likely that the reason for the reversal was Adolf Hitler's dislike for the Fraktur typeface, as demonstrated by a declaration made in the Reichstag in 1934:

    " Your alleged gothic internalisation does not fit well in this age of steel and iron, glass and concrete, of womanly beauty and manly strength, of head raised high and intention defiant... In a hundred years, our language will be the European language. The nations of the east, the north and the west will, to communicate with us, learn our language. The prerequisite for this: The script called Gothic is replaced by the script we have called Latin so far... "

    "
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    In this excerpt from a speech made in Munich on 10 April 1923 Hitler speaks of weakness and the need for passion and wholehearted devotion to the cause as a necessity for the attainment of unification and freedom from imposed national slavery by an outside force.

    http://www.hitler.org/
    http://www.hitler.org/speeches/04-10-23.html
    MUNICH
    SPEECH OF APRIL 10, 1923

    ...IN THE Bible we find the text, 'That which is neither hot nor cold will I spew out of my mouth.' This utterance of the great Nazarene has kept its profound validity until the present day. He who would pursue the golden mean must surrender the hope of achieving the great and the greatest aims. Until the present day the half-hearted and the lukewarm have remained the curse of Germany....

    To the half-heartedness and weakness of the parties in Parliament was added the half-heartedness of Governments... Everything stood under the sign of half-heartedness and lukewarmness, even the fight for existence in the World War and still more the conclusion of peace. And now the continuation of the half-hearted policy of those days holds the field. The people, inwardly united in the hard struggle-in the trenches there were neither parties nor Confessions-has been torn asunder through the economics of profiteers and knaves. Appeasement and the settlement of differences would certainly soon be there if only one were to hang the whole crew. But profiteers and knaves are, of course, 'Citizens of the State,' and what is more important still, they are adherents of the religion which is hallowed by the Talmud.

    EVEN TODAY WE ARE THE LEAST LOVED PEOPLE ON EARTH. A world of foes is ranged against us and the German must still today make up his mind whether he intends to be a free soldier or a white slave. THE ONLY POSSIBLE CONDITIONS UNDER WHICH A GERMAN STATE CAN DEVELOP AT ALL MUST THEREFORE BE: THE UNIFICATION OF ALL GERMANS IN EUROPE, education towards a national consciousness, and readiness to place the whole national strength without exception in the service of the nation. . . .

    NO ECONOMIC POLICY IS POSSIBLE WITHOUT A SWORD, no industrialization without power. Today we have no longer any sword grasped in our fist-how can we have a successful economic policy? England has fully recognized this primary maxim in the healthy life of States; for centuries England has acted on the principle of converting economic strength into political power, while conversely political power in its turn must protect economic life. The instinct of self preservation can build up economics, but we sought to preserve World Peace instead of the interests of the nation, instead of defending the economic life of the nation with the sword and of ruthlessly championing those conditions which were essential for the life of the people.

    Three years ago I declared in this same room that the collapse of the German national consciousness must carry with it into the abyss the economic life of Germany as well. For liberation something more is necessary than an economic policy, something more than industry: IF A PEOPLE IS TO BECOME FREE IT NEEDS PRIDE AND WILL-POWER, DEFIANCE, HATE, HATE, AND ONCE AGAIN HATE....

    The spirit comes not down from above, that spirit which is to purify Germany, which with its iron besom is to purify the great sty of democracy. To do that is the task of our Movement. The Movement must not rust away in Parliament, it must not spend itself in superfluous battles of words, but the banner with the white circle and the black Swastika will be hoisted over the whole of Germany on the day which shall mark the liberation of our whole people.
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    In this speech made in Munich on 18 April 1923 Hitler speaks about justice, strength, the Jewish media role and how the Jews attain their power by war and revolution.

    http://www.hitler.org/
    http://www.hitler.org/speeches/04-13-23.html
    MUNICH
    SPEECH OF APRIL 13, 1923

    . . . IN OUR view, the times when there was no 'League of Nations' were far more honorable and more humane.... We ask: 'Must there be wars?' The pacifist answers 'No!' He proceeds to explain that disputes in the life of peoples are only the expression of the fact that a class has been oppressed by the ruling bourgeoisie. When there are in fact differences of opinion between peoples, then these should be brought before a 'Peace Court' for its decision. But he does not answer the question whether the judges of this court of arbitration would have the power to bring the parties before the bar of the court. I believe that an accused ordinarily only appears 'voluntarily' before a court because, if he did not, he would be fetched there.

    I should like to see the nation which would allow itself to be brought before this League of Nations Court in the case of a disagreement without external force. In the life of nations, what in the last resort decides questions is a kind of Judgment Court of God. It may even happen that in case of a dispute between two peoples - both may be in the right. Thus Austria, a people of fifty millions, had most certainly the right to an outlet to the sea. But since in the strip of territory in question the Italian element of the population was in the majority, Italy claimed for herself the 'right of self-determination.' Who yields voluntarily? No one! So the strength which each people possesses decides the day. ALWAYS BEFORE GOD AND THE WORLD THE STRONGER HAS THE RIGHT TO CARRY THROUGH WHAT HE WILLS.

    History proves: He who has not the strength - him the 'right in itself' profits not a whit. A world court without a world police would be a joke. And from what nations of the present League of Nations would then this force be recruited? Perhaps from the ranks of the old German Army? THE WHOLE WORLD OF NATURE IS A MIGHTY STRUGGLE BETWEEN STRENGTH AND WEAKNESS - AN ETERNAL VICTORY OF THE STRONG OVER THE WEAK. There would be nothing but decay in the whole of Nature if this were not so. States which should offend against the elementary law would fall into decay. You need not seek for long to find an example of such mortal decay: you can see it in the Reich of today....

    . . . Before the war two States, Germany and France, had to live side by side but only under arms. It is true that the War of 1870-1 meant for Germany the close of an enmity which had endured for centuries, but in France a passionate hatred against Germany was fostered by every means by propaganda in the press, in school textbooks, in theaters, in the cinemas. . . . All the Jewish papers throughout France agitated against Berlin. Here again to seek and to exploit grounds for a conflict is the clearly recognizable effort of world Jewry.

    The conflict of interests between Germany and England lay in the economic sphere. Up till 1850 England's position as a World Power was undisputed. British engineers, British trade conquer the world. Germany, owing to greater industry and increased capacity, begins to be a dangerous rival. In a short time those firms which in Germany were in English hands pass into the possession of German industrialists. German industry expands vastly and the products of that industry even in the London market drive out British goods.

    The protective measure, the stamp 'Made in Germany,' has the opposite effect from that desired: this 'protective stamp' becomes a highly effective advertisement. The German economic success was not created in Essen alone but by a man who knew that behind economics must stand power, for power alone makes an economic position secure. This power was born upon the battlefields of 1870-71, not in the atmosphere of parliamentary chatter. Forty thousand dead have rendered possible the life of forty millions. When England, in the face of such a Germany as this, threatened to be brought to her knees, then she bethought herself of the last weapon in the armory of international rivalry - violence. A press propaganda on an imposing scale was started as a preparatory measure.

    But who is the chief of the whole British press concerned with world trade? One name crystallizes itself out of the rest: Northcliffe - a Jew! . . . A campaign of provocation is carried on with assertions, libels, and promises such as only a Jew can devise, such as only Jewish newspapers would have the effrontery to put before an Aryan people. And then at last 1914: they egg people on: 'Ah, poor violated Belgium! Up! To the rescue of the small nations - for the honor of humanity!' The same lies, the same provocation throughout the entire world! And the success of that provocation the German people can trace grievously enough!

    WHAT CAUSE FINALLY HAD AMERICA TO ENTER THE WAR AGAINST GERMANY? WITH THE OUTBREAK OF THE WORLD WAR, WHICH JUDAH HAD DESIRED SO PAASSIONATELY AND SO LONG, ALL THE LARGE

    JEWISH FIRMS OF THE UNITED STATES BEGAN SUPPLYING AMMUNITIONS. They supplied the European 'war-market' to an extent which perhaps even they themselves had never dreamed of - a gigantic harvest! Yet nothing satisfied the insatiable greed of the Jew. And so the venal press which depended upon the Stock Exchange kings began an unparalleled propaganda campaign. A GIGANTIC ORGANIZATION FOR NEWSPAPER LYING WAS BUILT UP. AND ONCE MORE IT IS A JEWISH CONCERN, THE HEARST PRESS, WHICH SET THE TONE OF THE AGITATION AGAINST GERMANY.

    The hatred of these 'Americans' was not directed solely against commercial Germany or against military Germany. It was directed specially against social Germany, because this Germany had up to that time kept itself outside of the principles which governed the world trusts. The old Reich had at least made an honorable attempt to be socially-minded. We had to show for ourselves such an initiative in social institutions as no other country in the wide world could boast. . . . This explains why, even in Germany itself, the 'comrades' under Jewish leadership fought against their own vital interests. This explains the agitation carried on throughout the world under the same watchword.

    For this reason the Jewish-democratic press of America had to accomplish its masterpiece - that is to say, it had to drive into the most horrible of all wars a great peace-loving people which was as little concerned in European struggles as it was in the North Pole: America was to intervene 'in defense of civilization,' and the Americans were persuaded so to do by an atrocity propaganda conducted in the name of civilization which from A to Z was a scandalous invention the like of which has never yet been seen - a farrago of lies and forgeries. Because this last State in the world where social aims were being realized had to be destroyed, therefore twenty-six peoples were incited one against the other by this press which is exclusively in the possession of one and the same world people, of one and the same race, and that race on principle the deadly foe of all national States.

    Who could have prevented the World War? Not the Kul- tursolidarität, the 'solidarity of civilization,' in whose name the Jews carried on their propaganda: not the so-called World Pacifism - again an exclusively Jewish invention. Could the so-called 'Solidarity of the Proletariat?' . . . All the wheels stand silent, still, If that be your strong arm's will.... The German wheel on November 9, 1918, was indeed brought to a standstill. The Social Democratic party in its principal organ, Vorwärts, declared in so many words that it was not in the interest of the workers that Germany should win the war. . .

    Could the Freemasons perhaps stop the war? - this most noble of philanthropic institutions who foretold the good fortune of the people louder than anyone and who at the same time was the principal leader in promoting the war. Who, after all, are the Freemasons? You have to distinguish two grades. To the lower grade in Germany belong the ordinary citizens who through the claptrap which is served up to them can feel themselves to be 'somebodies,' but the responsible authorities are those many-sided folk who can stand any climate, those 300 Rathenaus who all know each other, who guide the history of the world over the heads of Kings and Presidents, those who will undertake any office without scruples, who know how brutally to enslave all peoples - once more the Jews!

    Why have the Jews been against Germany? That is made quite clear today - proved by countless facts. They use the age-old tactics of the hyena - when fighters are tired out, then go for them! Then make your harvest! In war and revolutions the Jew attained the unattainable. Hundreds of thousands of escaped Orientals become modern 'Europeans.' Times of unrest produce miracles. Before 1914 how long would it have taken, for instance, in Bavaria before a Galician Jew became - Prime Minister? - Or in Russia before an anarchist from the New York Ghetto, Bronstein (Trotsky), became - Dictator? Only a few wars and revolutions - that was enough to put the Jewish people into possession of the red gold and thereby to make them masters of the world.

    Before 1914 there were two States above all, Germany and Russia, which prevented the Jew from reaching his goal - the mastery of the world. Here not everything which they already possessed in the Western democracies had fallen to the Jews. Here they were not the sole lords alike in the intellectual and economic life. Here, too, the Parliaments were not yet exclusively instruments of Jewish capital and of the will of the Jew. The German and the genuine Russian had still preserved a certain aloofness from the Jew. In both peoples there still lived the healthy instinct of scorn for the Jew, and there was a real danger that in these monarchies there might one day arise a Frederick the Great, a William I, and that democracy and a parliamentary regime might be sent to the devil.

    So the Jews became revolutionaries! The Republic should bring them to wealth and to power. This aim they disguised: they cried 'Down with the monarchies!' 'Enthrone the sovereign people!' I do not know whether today one could venture to call the German or the Russian people 'sovereign.' At least one cannot see any trace of it! What the German people can trace, however, what every day stands in the most crass form before its eyes, is debauchery, gluttony, speculation ruling unchecked, the open mockery of the Jew....

    So Russia and Germany had to be overthrown in order that the ancient prophecy might be fulfilled. So the whole world was lashed into fury. So every lie and propaganda agency was brutally set in action against the State of the last - the German - idealists! AND THUS IT WAS THAT JUDAH WON THE WORLD WAR. OR WOULD YOU WISH TO MAINTAIN THAT THE FRENCH, THE ENGLISH, OR THE AMERICAN 'PEOPLE' WON THE WAR? THEY, ONE AND ALL, VICTORS AND VANQUISHED ARE ALIKE DEFEATED: one thing raises itself above them all: the World Stock Exchange which has become the master of the people.

    WHAT GUILT HAD GERMANY HERSELF FOR THE OUTBREAK OF THE WAR? HER GUILT CONSISTED IN THIS: THAT AT THE MOMENT WHEN THE RING CLOSED ABOUT HER EXISTENCE GERMANY NEGLECTED TO ORGANIZE HER DEFENSE WITH SUCH VIGOR THAT THROUGH THIS DEMONSTRATION OF HER POWER EITHER THE OTHERS, DESPITE THEIR ABOMINABLE PURPOSES, WOULD HAVE BEEN ROBBED OF THEIR WILL TO STRIKE, OR ELSE THE VICTORY OF THE REICH WOULD HAVE BEEN ASSURED.

    The guilt of the German people lies in this: that when in 1912 a criminal Reichstag in its unfathomable baseness and folly had refused to allow the raising of three army corps the people did not create for itself those army corps in the Reichstag's despite. With these additional 120,000 men the Battle of the Marne would have been won and the issue of the war decided. Two million fewer German heroes would have sunk into their graves. Who was it who in 1912 as in 1918 struck its weapons from the hands of the German people? Who was it that in 1912, as in the last year of the war, infatuated the German people with his theory that if Germany throws down her arms the whole world will follow her example - who? - the democratic-Marxist Jew, who at the same hour incited and still today incites the others to arm and to subjugate 'barbarous' Germany.

    But someone may perhaps yet raise the question whether it is expedient today to talk about the guilt for the war. Most assuredly we have the duty to talk about it! For the murderers of our Fatherland who all the years through have betrayed and sold Germany, they are the same men who, as the November criminals, have plunged us into the depths of misfortune. We have the duty to speak since in the near future, when we have gained power, we shall have the further duty of taking these creators of ruin, these clouts, these traitors to their State and of hanging them on the gallows to which they belong. Only let no one think that in them there has come a change of heart. On the contrary, these November scoundrels who still are free to go as they will in our midst, they are, even today, going against us. From the recognition of the facts comes the will to rise again. Two millions have remained on the field of battle. They, too, have their rights and not we, the survivors, alone. There are millions of orphans, of cripples, of widows in our midst. They, too, have rights. For the Germany of today not one of them died, not one of them became a cripple, an orphan, or a widow. We owe it to these millions that we build a new Germany!
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    Re: Adolf Hitler - The Truth

    Thank´s Hano for this great contribution for our common goal , to undress the truth to humanity.
    Hitler knew that Germany were on the edge to total jewish Control , and the Khazars already owned half of the private banks and newspapers , so Hitler wanted to save his country , but it was to late.
    Many Khazars follow the ideas of "the elders of zion" , a well planned Conspiracy for World dominance (NWO)

    A good article below
    Namaste
    Peter





    GERMANY HAS REPLACED CHRISTIANITY with a pernicious cult: “Holocaust religion.”

    In 1994, the parliament of the defunct “Bundesrepublik Deutschland” (BRD) - the post re-unification Federal Republic of Germany - treasonously mandated imposed Zionist legislation making it a criminal offense to deny or even play down the so-called “Jewish Holocaust.”

    Anyone in Germany who publicly denies the propagandistic narrative upon which the terrorist state of Israel was established or questions any one of the many anomalies extant in the doctrine of official “history,” faces a maximum penalty of five years in jail.

    Indeed, two German scholars, Ernst Zundel and Germar Rudolf were illegally abducted from the United States and imprisoned for presenting scientific evidence that a phenomenal hoax called the “Jewish Holocaust” had taken place.

    Zundel’s lawyer, Sylvia Stolz, was herself imprisoned for three years in January of 2008 simply for presenting supportive evidence on behalf of her client. British historian David Irving was snatched by police on a private trip to Austria and imprisoned for once having presented verifiable proof that the gas chambers in Auschwitz were constructed as propagandistic museum pieces in late 1948.

    Yet hardly anyone mentions the “German Holocaust” which entailed the systematic murder, starvation, and death by typhus of almost 3,500,000 displaced and impoverished German citizens, whose corpses were stacked in the former labor camps of Auschwitz, Belsen and Treblinka - and photographed by the Zionist media as “evidence” of “mass-murdered Jews.”





    IN A SPEECH given to the Israeli Knesset on March 19, 2008, Germany’s Chancellor, Angela Merkel, reiterated the decades-old reparations doctrine by saying: “Germans are filled with shame over the Jewish holocaust.”

    The German media is now reporting that many Germans, particularly young people who no longer believe their teachers, are suffering from “holocaust fatigue” and no longer trust Berlin’s Zionist puppets, such as Angela Merkel, to tell them the truth. Yet even those who are brave enough to commit “heresy” and risk the wrath of the Jewish Inquisition are forced to whisper their dissent using coded language lest thy find themselves in a German Soviet Gulag, such as Mannheim.

    Germany under its Zionist controlled leaders has now reached the point in which certain words used in German society will make one highly suspect. In Europe’s dissenting underground community these words are known as “Germany’s forbidden words.”






    PUTTING A MUZZLE ON THE MOUTHS OF GERMANS


    HIGHLY CHARGED WORDS which are monitored by the Zionist thought police express the true inner thoughts of most Germans. There are 5 words that could get a German in trouble:

    1) “Leitkultur” - This word denotes the “predominant culture” of German and European social mores which most Germans wish to retain as part of their Germanic culture.

    An example of the fallout which occurred after using the forbidden word “Leitkultur” was evidenced when Friedrich Merz, a former leading member of the Christian Democratic Union, used the term “Leitkultur von Deutschland” to describe what immigrants coming to Germany should aspire to.

    Merz inspired, (as did Jurgen Molleman of the Free Democrats who is believed to have been “suicided” by Mossad in June 2003), an awakening German patriotism by striking a chord in a country where acceptance of “Alleinschuld,” (German guilt for WWII), continually propagated by Germany’s Jews and Zionist-leadership, is on the wane.

    Merz’s use of the word “Leitkultur” sparked an intense national debate among ordinary people who long for a return to traditional German Christian values.

    Leaders of the Zionist Jewish community attacked Merz with a vengeance. The German Jewish community leader, Paul Spiegel, the former President of the ADL-style Zentralrat der Juden in Deutschland, facetiously asked 200,000 people gathered at the disingenuously named We Stand Up for Humanity and Tolerance demonstration held in Berlin on November 9, 2000:

    — “What’s all this talk of Leitkultur? Does German Leitkultur include hunting down foreigners and burning synagogues? Are we talking about a culture or about the prevailing values of democracy as stated in our national constitution?

    “For Article One of that constitution states: ‘The dignity of mankind is inviolable. The duty of national power is its protection.’ Now the dignity of mankind is inviolable not just the dignity of European Christians!” —
    (Read the full speech translated by Hanna Sachs Here and reflect on the many ways in which Jews are working to strip Christians of their “inviolable dignity.”)

    Merz quickly became anathema in the eyes of the Jewish-controlled media and has since effectively retired from active participation in politics.

    2) “Verdorbenes Kultur”/”Entartete Kultur” - These phrases denote a rotten or decadent culture, which the German people of the 1920s and 1930s perceived as emanating from prominent Jews in the media, arts, film, theatre, and the sex and drugs trade.

    The phrase “Verdorbene Kultur” was cited in July 2007 by Horst Mahler, a leading German revisionist historian, when saying that Hitler’s book “Mein Kampf” should no longer be banned in Germany since it provided well-founded definitions of what constituted a Zionist-enslaved culture in moral decline. In so doing, Mahler was subject to months of abuse by the Jewish-controlled media, Germany’s Central Council of Jews, and the political elites.

    In his still very popular book, Hitler wrote that one of the main evils responsible for the suffering, hunger and poverty of the German people was the German-Jewish role in creating a “rotten culture” of decadent art designed to destroy the true moral fiber of a once-proud civilization:

    — “Culturally, the Jew contaminates art, literature, and the theater by overthrowing all concepts of beauty and sublimity, of the noble and the good, and instead drags men down into the sphere of his own base nature” — Here

    The idea of lifting the ban on “Mein Kampf” was swiftly criticised by Jewish groups. Wolfgang Benz, the head of the Centre For Anti-Semitism Research in Berlin, described it as “absurd.” Salomon Korn, of the Central Council of Jews in Germany, said it would be an insult to Holocaust survivors.

    Horst Mahler, who is no stranger to the Federal Republic of Germany’s brutal Gulag system, has just been sentenced to 11 months imprisonment for treating the Jew Michel Friedman with “disrespect.” Friedman, a notoriously arrogant talk show host and a former deputy General Secretary of the ZJD with a criminal record as a cocaine dealer and a suspected key player in the illicit sex trafficking trade, filed suit following an interview with Mahler in the November 2007 German edition of “Vanity Fair.”

    In September 2007, the Catholic Archbishop of Cologne, Cardinal Meisner, ignited a firestorm of controversy when he told his congregation “a culture without God is a decadent culture.”

    The Zentralrat der Juden in Deutschland went ballistic, denouncing the cardinal for using a word frequently cited by the National Socialists in their condemnation of decadent Jewish art, organized prostitution rings, sex trafficking and the drugs trade.

    3) “Volksgemeinschaft” - This phrase denotes a society based upon the principles of a “Leitkultur” that prioritizes the needs of its own citizens. The Jewish State of Occupied Palestine (Israel) itself is indeed a “Volkgemeinschaft.”

    However, in Germany, anyone who writes or speaks about the advantages of a
    “Volksgemeinschaft” for the German people is subject to prosecution under Section 130 and other laws that prohibit speaking favorably of National Socialism, which itself was based upon the promotion of a Volksgemeinschaft. In Israel, such people who hold to this creed are described as the “Chosen People.” In Germany, they are branded as “Nazis” and face imprisonment of up to five years.

    4) “Jude” (Jew) - It is considered by the authorities as “anti-Semitic” to call a Jew a “Jew.” One must always refer to a Jew as a “Jewish person.” The irony is that 95 percent of all Semites living in the world today are Arabs. The other five percent are Sephardic Jews, who are themselves genetically identical to Palestinians.

    5) “Vaterland” (Fatherland) - The police are obliged to question any German who refers to his home country as the “Fatherland.” The word is associated with National Socialism and those inclined to use it are branded as “Nazis.”

    In Germany there exists a list of hundreds of forbidden words and phrases. We, Brother Nathanael and Michael James, have mentioned only five. Remove the muzzle — go to jail.
    http://www.realjewnews.com/?p=245

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    Thanks very much, Peter B. You're most welcome.

    Recently I wrote to someone in a PM that the Jews are afraid. They are scared to death of the Truth because they know it will destroy them.

    They still employ the same methods they did before WW1 and WW2 and it is having exactly the same outcome but the Jews have learnt from Hitler and today they are more brutal than ever in preventing the rise of another like him. Germany is a fascist occupied land just like Palestine and though the German people don't have checkpoints, rockets and military strikes to endure they are nevertheless being brutally assualted.

    Their hearts and minds are being attacked, their culture and proud heritage are being completely undermined and destroyed. Although this is being done worldwide, the Germans have suffered the most and longest because of it and imo not even the Palestinians have endured so much for so long but they are a close second.

    Divine intervention is the only thing that will save these people and all others from total destruction at the hands of the Jewish parasitical cancer. Today I see no other way anymore. The people are not allowed to know and rise up. Their power have been stolen from them under punishment of death in various ways but I say again- The Jew is scared, scared of being exposed and losing his power for without his Talmudic brutality he is nothing but a cowering shadow.

    May that day of liberation for all from the Jewish disease be any day now for the sake of humanity's and the planet's very survival.

    Hano
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    In this speech made on 24 April 1923 in Munich Hitler speaks about work, the Jewish view of the working people, the imposed class division as a control method and what is needed for people to free themselves.

    http://www.hitler.org/
    http://www.hitler.org/speeches/04-24-23.html
    MUNICH
    SPEECH OF APRIL 24, 1923

    . . . I REJECT the word 'Proletariat.' The Jew who coined the word meant by 'Proletariat,' not the oppressed, but those who work with their hands. And those who work with their intellects are stigmatized bluntly as 'Bourgeois.' It is not the character of a man's life which forms the basis of this classification, it is simply the occupation - whether a man works with his brain or with his body. And in this turbulent mass of the hand-workers the Jew recognized a new power which might perhaps be his instrument for the gaining of that which is his ultimate goal: World supremacy, the destruction of the national States.

    And while the Jew 'organizes' these masses, he organizes business, too, at the same time. Business was depersonalized, i.e., Judaized. Business lost the Aryan character of work: it became an object of speculation. Master and man were torn asunder . . . and he who created this class division was the same person who led the masses in their opposition to this class division, led them not against his Jewish brethren, but against the last remnants of independent national economic life.

    And these remnants, the bourgeoisie which also was already Judaized, resisted the great masses who were knocking at the door and demanding better conditions of life. And so the Jewish leaders succeeded in hammering into the minds of the masses the Marxist propaganda: 'Your deadly foe is the bourgeoisie; if he were not there, you would be free.' If it had not been for the boundless blindness and stupidity of our bourgeoisie the Jew would never have become the leader of the German working-classes. And the ally of this stupidity was the pride of the 'better stratum' of society which thought it would degrade itself if it condescended to stoop to the level of the 'Plebe.' The millions of our German fellow countrymen would never have been alienated from their people if the leading strata of society had shown any care for their welfare.

    You must say farewell to the hope that you can expect any action from the parties of the Right on behalf of the freedom of the German people. The most elementary factor is lacking: the will, the courage, the energy. Where then can any strength still be found within the German people? It is to be found, as always, in the great masses: THERE ENERGY IS SLUMBERING AND IT ONLY AWAITS THE MAN WHO WILL SUMMON IT FROM ITS PRESENT SLUMBER AND WILL HURL IT INTO THE GREAT BATTLE FOR THE DESTINY OF THE GERMAN RACE.

    The battle which alone can liberate Germany will be fought out with the forces which well up from the great masses. Without the help of the German workingman you will never regain a German Reich. Not in our political salons lies the strength of the nation, but in the hand, in the brain, and in the will of the great masses. Now as ever: Liberation does not come down from above, it will spring up from below.... If we today make the highest demands upon everyone, that is only in order that we may give back to him and to his child the highest gift: Freedom and the respect of the rest of the world....

    The parties of the Right have lost all energy: they see the flood coming, but their one longing is just for once in their lives to form a Government. Unspeakably incapable, utterly lacking in energy, cowards all - such are all these bourgeois parties and that at the moment when the nation needs heroes -not chatterers.

    In the Left there is somewhat more energy, but it is used for the ruin of Germany. The Communists on principle reject the discipline imposed by the State: in its stead they preach party discipline: they reject the administration of the State as a bureaucracy, while they fall on their knees before the bureaucracy of their own Movement. There is arising a State within the State which stands in deadly enmity against the State which we know, the State of the community of the people. This new State ultimately produces men who reject with fanaticism their own people so that in the end Foreign Powers find in them their allies. Such is the result of Marxist teaching....

    What we want is not a State of drones but a State which gives to everyone that to which on the basis of his own activity he has a right. He who refuses to do honest work shall not be a citizen of the State. The State is not a plantation where the interests of foreign capital are supreme. Capital is not the master of the State, but its servant. Therefore the State must not be brought into dependence on international loan capital. And if anyone believes that that cannot be avoided, then do not let him be surprised that no one is ready to give his life for this State. Further, that greatest injustice must be corrected which today still weighs heavily upon our people and upon almost all peoples. If in a State only he who does honest work is a citizen, then everyone has the right to demand that in his old age he shall be kept free from care and want. That would mean the realization of the greatest social achievement.
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    I love this! A place which pisses of the Jews! Read the comments too. One guy says they should open a franchise...I agree! There is hope for us yet!

    http://rt.com/news/nazi-themed-cafe-indonesia-365/

    ‘No Fan of Hitler’: Nazi-themed café in Indonesia causes worldwide outrage

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    Edited time: July 21, 2013 09:45


    Customers having dinner at the Soldatenkaffe "The Soldiers' Cafe" in Bandung. (AFP Photo / Adek Berry)
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    A Nazi-themed café in Indonesia has sparked rage across the globe – two years after it opened. While locals were mostly oblivious to the horrors of Nazism, the kitsch cafe was viewed as no laughing matter by Jewish communities the world over.

    The café is named after a popular hangout for soldiers in Germany which was situated in Paris - the Soldaten Kaffee (“The Soldiers’ Café”), and opened in 2011.

    That the service staff and guests dress as Nazi soldiers doesn't attract much attention from the locals: Indonesians by and large are largely unaware of Nazism and the country's Jewish population numbers some 20 people.*


    This picture shows the outside of the Soldatenkaffe "The Soldiers' Cafe" in Bandung. (AFP Photo / Adek Berry)

    However, the English-language Jakarta Globe has recently published an article on the café which sparked a global backlash,* forcing local authorities to meet with the owner.*

    "I don't idolize Hitler, I simply adore the soldiers' paraphernalia," Mulyana, a Christian who likes playing with air rifles, told AFP.

    Mulyana also stressed that his café attracted tourists, including Germans, with one photographed on its Facebook page wearing a red swastika T-shirt along with several Indonesians dressed in similar garb.*

    The café owner in fact collects Nazi paraphernalia, including a water canteen, bayonet, goggles and a lantern – all of which are on display at the café. The main decorations also include gas mask canisters and battle flags bearing swastikas, with German beer and schnitzel among the menu specialties.

    Locals don’t seem to care about the gloomy legacy surrounding the café.*

    "We're living in Indonesia and Indonesians weren't tortured in the Holocaust, so we don't really care," mining company employee Arya Setya* said while eating a plate of spaghetti at the cafe with his girlfriend.


    Owner Henry Mulyana standing outside the Soldatenkaffe "The Soldiers' Cafe" in Bandung. (AFP Photo / Adek Berry)

    Once news of the cafe hit he English-speaking press, however, it triggered a stormy reaction from Jewish communities all over the world.

    "The Simon Wiesenthal Center is reaching out to senior Indonesian diplomats to express on behalf of our 400,000 members and victims of the Nazi Holocaust our outrage and disgust," Rabbi Abraham Cooper, from the Los Angeles-based Jewish human rights group, stresses to AFP.

    "We expect that all appropriate measures will be taken to close down this business celebrating a genocidal ideology that at its core denigrates people of color and all non-Aryans," he added.

    The owner, in turn, stressed that he doesn’t deny the Holocaust, but is of the opinion that making the tragedy taboo is hypocrisy.

    "If we want to speak up about humanity, why don't they stop wars in this world now, like in Afghanistan? War always claims so many lives," he said.

    In the meantime, he plans to open another café in Bali, which attracts hordes of foreign tourists every year.

    "I'll certainly display Hitler's image, as well as Winston Churchill's, and paraphernalia from American and Japanese soldiers from World War II," he said.*

    However, on Saturday, a few days after the first English-language article on the café was published, Mulyana announced he would shutter up his cafe– at least temporarily.


    Inside the Soldatenkaffe "The Soldiers' Cafe" in Bandung. (AFP Photo / Adek Berry)

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    It's still not clear to me why it's wrong to be a National Socialist. Please explain.

    Anonymous user 21.07.2013 16:53
    dont close it...start a franchise

    George Rizk 21.07.2013 16:20
    I forgot in Yemen, where we have a military base, they sell Tshirts with the picture of Osama bin Laden on them. That is way more offensive to Americans than a coffee shop with German WWII memorabilia?

    Anonymous user 21.07.2013 16:19
    Love it! Nice cafe. Keep up the good work. Jews are liars and killers. Made up the holohaux.

    George Rizk 21.07.2013 16:17
    Indonesia? That is very far away from Brooklyn? The young people who goes to this cafe have never met a Jew or a German. They look at the art on the walls as military images that have no meaning. Hitler do not represent much to many cultures on Earth: Chinese, Japanese, Indians, Arabs, Africans,.......Just because Hollywood is obsessed with Hitler, and made many in the West too, it is difficult to expect billion people in Asia to be as sensitive as us. Just let it be wizenthal!

    Anonymous user 21.07.2013 16:13
    Jumicans ! Good one. I have stopped watching their garbage so I guess I am an American once more ; )

    Anonymous user 21.07.2013 16:09
    Jews are vile. Shutting down a guy's business in his own country. Jews are inviting a real holocaust

    Anonymous user 21.07.2013 15:57
    really bad taste, when you recall the cruel murder of innocents. Like drone kiilings by USA

    Anonymous user 21.07.2013 15:55
    Why object to migrants in your countries (just like the Palestinians migrated to Isreal)???

    Anonymous user 21.07.2013 15:53
    Anonymous? Israel was resettled AFTER WW2. Palestinians were workers from Jordan, Syria, Egypt

    Anonymous user 21.07.2013 15:01
    More Jews could have been saved, Israel did not want them. Hitler would have gave them no problem

    Anonymous user 21.07.2013 14:58
    Over 60 million died during WW II No one cares about the Jewish BS. Get over yourselves already.

    Anonymous user 21.07.2013 14:53
    Funny I have not seen the outrage. A very select few may have a problem with the cafe. Cheers.

    Anonymous user 21.07.2013 14:30
    To err is human but to forgive is divine. Looks like a nice coffee shop.

    Anonymous user 21.07.2013 14:26
    20 Million Russian people died in helping to defeat Hitler but you don't hear them crying about this

    Anonymous user 21.07.2013 14:20
    Hilter died long time ago, this Coffee shop is just another shop, forgive and forget, cheer up

    Anonymous user 21.07.2013 14:12
    IF all would only research the founding/founding of n4z1s you would realise we have all been duped.

    Anonymous user 21.07.2013 14:12
    Its just a cafe, give it a rest. Why whine only on Holocaust? Why not Palestine, Syria, Afghan, etc

    Anonymous user 21.07.2013 14:05
    Its just a bit of fun. Come on you critics get a life and have a coffee, don't be stick in the muds.
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    Thank you very much, Hano, for the good story. Beautifully ridiculous.

    For years there was another story about a genuine man in India that had a
    little business of selling all sort of items. He named his little hut simply hitler.
    And yes, the circus started again...

    To be frank, the swastika itself was not the invention of the West.
    It originates in the far east and is an ancient symbol of JOY.
    In India is very popular and revered as such, as the nicest good-luck sign.

    Starting with the cross in the circle, it meant the Four Genii or the Four Universal
    Creators/Forces/Architects which initiated the Creation on Earth.

    The first was of course our Sovereign Christ Michael and the second was Altea/Alta/
    Altima, who went west and founded Atlantis. His civilization brought high technology
    to Earth. The third one was Ashan, initiating the Orientals and teaching the arts, the
    music/sound and colours to humans. The fourth was Aragon, who was bringing the
    art of healing to man.
    The Circle around these Four Creative Forces was always representing the Universe.
    (The Only Planet of Choice, The Lost Continent of Mu)

    And as these 4 Forces brought life on earth into movement, the cross was viewed as
    rotating, giving birth to the Eternal Wheel of Life.

    The word itself, svasti is also Sanskrit, meaning well-being -- from
    su = good
    asti = being
    (Int. Dictionary)

    Aren't those poor 'victims of the holocaust' right in their outrage, asking for this
    monstrous Kaffee all the way down to the Pacific,
    that 'celebrates a genocidal ideology', to be shut down?

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    G'day Hano. for Hitler thread. I agree it is important to get the


    truth out to where it can be assessed. Adolf Hitler will in due time be recognised


    as a great statesman and patriot so I applaud your contribution. No doubt he


    made some errors and could even have been corrupted along the way...


    However the available information needs to be exposed to counter the hate.


    This another source that should yield more material http://www.ihr.org/main/search.shtml


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    In this speech made in Munich on 12 September 1923 Hitler speaks about government, the factors that make government weak, corrupted, the criminality and the failure of the Revolution to serve the people. He speaks about the Versailles Treaty which Germany was forced to sign at the end of WW1 and the perpetual domination, subjugation and suffering caused by it.

    http://www.hitler.org/
    http://www.hitler.org/speeches/09-12-23.html
    MUNICH
    SPEECH OF SEPTEMBER 12, 1923

    . . . THE Republic was founded to be a milk-cow for its founders - for the whole parliamentary gang. It was never intended to be a State for the German people, but a feeding ground, as pleasant and as rich a feeding-ground as possible. There never was any thought of giving to the German people a free State: the object was to provide a mob of the lowest scoundrels with an obliging object for their exploitation. The fruit of the honest work of other folk has been stolen by those who themselves have never worked. And if we refuse to grasp the facts, the outside world knows better. The outside world despises the representatives of this November-Republic! Neither in society nor in the meetings of diplomats are they regarded as equals, much less as men of character.

    Think of Lloyd George - this man with the single fanatical idea - that England must be led to victory. There comes up to him one of the 'November men' of whom he knows: 'My people would have been defeated if your people by you had not been...' How will Lloyd George receive him? Surely with unspeakable contempt! For he knows what we can only guess, how in the war the millions of gold poured into Germany, how they began to take effect, how great associations of traitors were formed through foreign gold - through his gold. And now he sees face to face the man to whom before he paid out the Judas-wage. What do you think Lloyd George will do? He can only spit at the sight. Never can any one of the 'November criminals' represent Germany before the world! . . .

    The Republic, by God! is worthy of its fathers. For hardly was the first deed of shame committed when there followed the second - one dishonor after another! One can scarcely believe any longer that there was once a time when one could speak of the Germans as the first people in the world.

    The essential character of the November-Republic is to be seen in the comings and goings to London, to Spa, to Paris and Genoa. Subserviency towards the enemy, surrender of the human dignity of the German, pacifist cowardice, tolerance of every indignity, readiness to agree to everything until nothing more remains. This November Republic bore the stamp of the men who made it. The name 'November criminals' will cling to these folk throughout the centuries....

    How are States founded? Through the personality of brilliant leaders and through a people which deserves to have the crown of laurel bound about its brows. Compare with them the 'heroes' of this Republic! Shirkers, Deserters, and Pacifists: these are its founders and their heroic acts consisted in leaving in the lurch the soldiers at the front, in stopping reinforcements, in withholding from them munitions, while at home against old men and half-starved children they carried through a revolutionary coup d'etat. They have quite simply got together their November State by theft! In the face of the armies returning wearied from the front these thieves have still posed as the saviours of the Fatherland! They declared the Pacifist-Democratic Republic. On the other hand I ask: What can be the only meaning of loyalty to the State? The loyalty of heroes! This Revolution has dishonored the old heroes on whom the whole earth had looked with wonder; it allowed the scum of the streets to tear off their decorations and to hurl into the mire all that was sacred to the heroes of the front line. And how does the Republic honor now the new heroes? Schlageter? By warrants for his arrest.

    Pacifism as the idea of the State, international law instead of power - all means are good enough to unman the people. They hold India up to us as a model and what is called 'passive resistance.' True, they want to make an India of Germany, a folk of dreams which turns away its face from realities, in order that they can oppress it for all eternity, that they may span it body and soul to the yoke of slavery....

    In the economic sphere this Revolution has proved to be an immense misfortune. The districts which were most important for the feeding of our people were lost and districts which are the condition for the feeding of the nation have been treasonably alienated. And what did the Revolution not prophesy for us in the political sphere? One heard of the right of Self-Determination of Peoples, of the League of Nations, of Self-Government of the People. And what was the result? A World Peace, but a World Peace over a Germany which was but a field of corpses. Disarmament, but only the disarmament of Germany, with Germany looting its own resources. Self-determination, yes, but self-determination for every Negro tribe: and Germany does not count as a Negro tribe. League of Nations, yes: but a League of Nations which serves only as the guarantor for the fulfillment of the Peace Treaty, not for a better world order which is to come. And government by the people - for five years past no one has asked the people what it thinks of the act of November of the year 1918: at the head of the Reich there stands a President who is rejected by the overwhelming majority of the people and who has not been chosen by the people. Seventeen million Germans are in misery under foreign rule.

    Hardly ever in five years has so much been torn away from the German nation as in these years of the so-called successful Revolution. We have been rendered defenseless: we are without rights: we have become the pariahs of the world. What are our organs of government today but organs for executing the will of foreign tyrants? . . .

    We were given a Free State which never deserved the name of 'free.' Then they called it a 'People's State.' But think you that bankers can form a government which befits a 'People's State'?

    In fact the Revolution made three changes in our State: it internationalized the German State, the economic life of Germany, and the German people itself. Thereby Germany has been turned into a colony of the outside world. Those who were fed with the ideal of the International were in fact placed under the 'Diktat' of the International. They have their international State: today international finance is king....

    While the masses were still told lies about 'socialization,' the economic life of Germany was in fact socialized, not by the German people, but by the outside world....

    Through the internationalization of the nation itself in the end a people ceases to be master of its own fate: it becomes the puppet of alien forces.

    Is that, now, a People's Revolution? Is such a construction a People's State? No, it is the Jews' Paradise.
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    I love this! A place which pisses of the Jews! Read the comments too. One guy says they should open a franchise...I agree! There is hope for us yet!


    It must be hard for this people to discover that there are places on the world where the people just don't take them seriously. Once in a country of the 3rd world, i had neighbors calling one of their sons Nelson and the other Rommel. I did't live there enough long to see show up other names of that type.

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    More and more people are asking questions about his later years and who he was and what he became. I will now post a piece by Leon Degrelle, a personal friend of Hitler, from 1944. Hopefully this will answer a few questions about the man.
    It's a long piece but worth the read.

    http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v14/v14n3p22_Degrelle.html
    The Enigma of Hitler
    by Leon Degrelle

    Leon Degrelle with Hitler, 1944
    "Hitler -- You knew him -- what was he like?" I have been asked that question a thousand times since 1945, and nothing is more difficult to answer.

    Approximately two hundred thousand books have dealt with the Second World War and with its central figure, Adolf Hitler. But has the real Hitler been discovered by any of them? "The enigma of Hitler is beyond all human comprehension," the left-wing German weekly Die Zeit once put it.

    Salvador Dali, art's unique genius, sought to penetrate the mystery in one of his most intensely dramatic paintings. Towering mountain landscapes all but fill the canvas, leaving ony a few luminous meters of seashore dotted with delicately miniaturized human figures: the last witness to a dying peace. A huge telephone receiver dripping tears of blood hangs from the branch of a dead tree; and here and there hang umbrellas and bats whose portent is visibly the same. As Dali tells it, "Chamberlain's umbrella appeared in this painting in a sinister light, made evident by the bat, and it struck me when I painted it as a thing of enormous anguish."

    He then confided: "I felt this painting to be deeply prophetic. But I confess that I haven't yet figured out the Hitler enigma either. He attracted me only as an object of my mad imaginings and because I saw him as a man uniquely capable of turning things completely upside down."

    What a lesson in humility for the braying critics who have rushed into print since 1945 with their thousands of "definitive" books, most of them scornful, about this man who so troubled the introspective Dali that forty years later he still felt anguished and uncertain in the presence of his own hallucinatory painting. Apart from Dali, who else has ever tried to present an objective portrayal of this extraordinary man, who Dali labeled the most explosive figure in human history?

    * **** * **** *
    The mountains of Hitler books based on blind hatred and ignorance do little to describe or explain the most powerful man the world has ever seen. How, I ponder, do these thousands of disparate portraits of Hitler in any way resemble the man I knew? The Hitler seated beside me, standing up, talking, listening. It has become impossible to explain to people fed fantastic tales for decades that what they have read or heard on television just does not correspond to the truth.

    People have come to accept fiction, repeated a thousand times over, as reality. Yet they have never seen Hitler, never spoken to him, never heard a word from his mouth. The very name of Hitler immediately conjures up a grimacing devil, the fount of all of one's negative emotions. Like Pavlov's bell, the mention of Hitler is meant to dispense with substance and reality. In time, however, history will demand more than these summary judgments.

    * **** * **** *
    Hitler is always present before my eyes: as a man of peace in 1936, as a man of war in 1944. It is not possible to have been a personal witness to the life of such an extraordinary man without being marked by it forever. Not a day goes by, but Hitler rises again in my memory, not as a man long dead, but as a real being who paces his office floor, seats himself in his chair, pokes the burning logs in the fireplace.

    The first thing anyone noticed when he came into view was his small mustache. Countless times he had been advised to shave it off, but he always refused: people were used to him the way he was.

    He was not tall -- no more than was Napoleon or Alexander the Great.

    Hitler had deep blue eyes that many found bewitching, although I did not find them so. Nor did I detect the electric current his hands were said to give off. I gripped them quite a few times and was never struck by his lightning.

    His face showed emotion or indifference according to the passion or apathy of the moment. At times he was as though benumbed, saying not a word, while his jaws moved in the meanwhile as if they were grinding an obstacle to smithereens in the void. Then he would come suddenly alive and launch into a speech directed at you alone, as though he were addressing a crowd of hundreds of thousands at Berlin's Tempelhof airfield. Then he became as if transfigured. Even his complexion, otherwise dull, lit up as he spoke. And at such times, to be sure, Hitler was strangely attractive and as if possessed of magic powers.

    * **** * **** *
    Anything that might have seemed too solemn in his remarks, he quickly tempered with a touch of humour. The picturesque world, the biting phrase were at his command. In a flash he would paint a word-picture that brought a smile, or come up with an unexpected and disarming comparison. He could be harsh and even implacable in his judgments, and yet almost at the same time be surprisingly conciliatory, sensitive and warm.

    After 1945 Hitler was accused of every cruelty, but it was not in his nature to be cruel. He loved children. It was an entirely natural thing for him to stop his car and share his food with young cyclists along the road. Once he gave his raincoat to a derelict plodding in the rain. At midnight he would interrupt his work and prepare the food for his dog Blondi.

    He could not bear to eat meat, because it meant the death of a living creature. He refused to have so much as a rabbit or a trout sacrificed to provide his food. He would allow only eggs on his table, because egg-laying meant that the hen had been spared rather than killed.

    Hitler's eating habits were a constant source of amazement to me. How could someone on such a rigorous schedule, who had taken part in tens of thousands of exhausting mass meetings from which he emerged bathed with sweat, often losing two to four pounds in the process; who slept only three to four hours a night; and who, from 1940 to 1945, carried the whole world on his shoulders while ruling over 380 million Europeans: how, I wondered, could he physically survive on just a boiled egg, a few tomatoes, two or three pancakes, and a plate of noodles? But he actually gained weight!

    He drank only water. He did not smoke, and would not tolerate smoking in his presence. At one or two o'clock in the morning he would still be talking, untroubled, close to his fireplace, lively, often amusing. He never showed any sign of weariness. Dead tired his audience might be, but not Hitler.

    He was depicted as a tired old man. Nothing was further from the truth. In September 1944, when he was reported to be fairly doddering, I spent a week with him. His mental and physical vigor were still exceptional. The attempt made on his life on July 20th had, if anything, recharged him. He took tea in his quarters as tranquilly as if we had been in his small private apartment at the chancellery before the war, or enjoying the view of snow and bright blue sky through his great bay window at Berchtesgaden.

    * **** * **** *
    At the very end of his life, to be sure, his back had become bent, but his mind remained as clear as a flash of lightning. The testament he dictated with extraordinary composure on the eve of his death, at three in the morning of April 29, 1945, provides us a lasting testimony. Napoleon at Fontainebleau was not without his moments of panic before his abdication. Hitler simply shook hands with his associates in silence, breakfasted as on any other day, then went to his death as if he were going on a stroll. When has history ever witnessed so enormous a tragedy brought to its end with such iron self control?

    Hitler's most notable characteristic was ever his simplicity. The most complex of problems resolved itself in his mind into a few basic principles. His actions were geared to ideas and decisions that could be understood by anyone. The laborer from Essen, the isolated farmer, the Ruhr industrialist, and the university professor could all easily follow his line of thought. The very clarity of his reasoning made everything obvious.

    His behaviour and his life style never changed even when he became the ruler of Germany. He dressed and lived frugally. During his early days in Munich, he spent no more than a mark per day for food. At no stage in his life did he spend anything on himself. Throughout his 13 years in the chancellery he never carried a wallet or ever had money of his own.

    * **** * **** *
    Hitler was self-taught and he made no attempt to hide the fact. The smug conceit of intellectuals, their shiny ideas packaged like so many flashlight batteries, irritated him at times. His own knowledge he had acquired through selective and unremitting study, and he knew far more than thousands of diploma-decorated academics.

    I don't think anyone ever read as much as he did. He normally read one book every day, always first reading the conclusion and the index in order to gauge the work's interest for him. He had the power to extract the essence of each book and then store it in his computer-like mind. I have heard him talk about complicated scientific books with faultless precision, even at the height of the war.

    His intellectual curiosity was limitless. He was readily familiar with the writings of the most diverse authors, and nothing was too complex for his comprehension. He had a deep knowledge and understanding of Buddha, Confucius and Jesus Christ, as well as Luther, Calvin, and Savonarola; of literary giants such as Dante, Schiller, Shakespeare and Goethe; and analytical writers such as Renan and Gobineau, Chamberlain and Sorel.

    * **** * **** *
    He had trained himself in philosophy by studying Aristotle and Plato. He could quote entire paragraphs of Schopenhauer from memory, and for a long time carried a pocket edition of Schopenhauer with him. Nietzsche taught him much about willpower.

    His thirst for knowledge was unquenchable. He spend hundreds of hours studying the works of Tacitus and Mommsen, military strategists such as Clausewitz, and empire builders such as Bismarck. Nothing escaped him: world history or the history of civilizations, the study of the Bible and the Talmud, Thomistic philosophy and all the masterpieces of Homer, Sophocles, Horace, Ovid, Titus Livius and Cicero. He knew Julian the Apostate as if he had been his contemporary.

    His knowledge also extended to mechanics. He knew how engines worked; he understood the ballistics of various weapons; and he astonished the best medical scientists with his knowledge of medicine and biology.

    The universality of Hitler's knowledge may surprise or displease those unaware of it, but it is nonetheless a historical fact: Hitler was one of the most cultivated men of this century. Many times more so than Churchill, an intellectual mediocrity; or than Pierre Laval, who had a merely cursory knowledge of history; or than Roosevelt; or Eisenhower, who never got beyond detective novels.

    * **** * **** *
    During the first 30 years of Hitler's life, the date April 20, 1889, meant nothing to anyone. He was born on that day in Braunau, a small town in the Inn valley. During his exile in Vienna, he often thought of his modest home, and particularly of his mother. When she fell ill, he returned home from Vienna to look after her. For weeks he nursed her, did all the household chores, and supported her as the most loving of sons. When she finally died, on Christmas eve, his pain was immense. Wracked with grief, he buried his mother in the little country cemetery. "I have never seen anyone so prostrate with grief," said his mother's doctor, who happened to be Jewish.

    In his room, Hitler always displayed an old photograph of his mother. The memory of the mother he loved was with him until the day he died. Before leaving this earth, on April 30, 1945, he placed his mother's photograph in front of him. She had blue eyes like his and a similar face. Her maternal intuition told her that her son was different from other children. She acted almost as if she knew her son's destiny. When she died, she felt anguished by the immense mystery surrounding her son.

    * **** * **** *
    Even during his earliest years, Hitler was different than other children. He had an inner strength and was guided by his spirit and his instincts.


    Hitler’s 'Fortress Utopia'
    He could draw skillfully when he was only eleven years old. His sketches made at that age show a remarkable firmness and liveliness. He first paintings and watercolors, created at age 15, are full of poetry and sensitivity. One of his most striking early works, "Fortress Utopia," also shows him to have been an artist of rare imagination. His artistic orientation took many forms. He wrote poetry from the time he was a lad. He dictated a complete play to his sister Paula who was amazed at his presumption. At the age of 16, in Vienna, he launched into the creation of an opera. He even designed the stage settings, as well as all the costumes; and, of course, the characters were Wagnerian heroes.

    More than just an artist, Hitler was above all an architect. Hundreds of his works were notable as much for the architecture as for the painting. From memory alone he could reproduce in every detail the onion dome of a church or the intricate curves of wrought iron. Indeed, it was to fulfill his dream of becoming an architect that Hitler went to Vienna at the beginning of the century.

    When one sees the hundreds of paintings, sketches and drawings he created at the time, which reveal his mastery of three dimensional figures, it is astounding that his examiners at the Fine Arts Academy failed him in two successive examinations. German historian Werner Maser, no friend of Hitler, castigated these examiners: "All of his works revealed extraordinary architectural gifts and knowledge. The builder of the Third Reich gives the former Fine Arts Academy of Vienna cause for shame."

    Impressed by the beauty of the church in a Benedictine monastery where he was part of the choir and served as an altar boy, Hitler dreamt fleetingly of becoming a Benedictine monk. And it was at that time, too, interestingly enough, that whenever he attended mass, he always had to pass beneath the first swastika he had ever seen: it was graven in the stone escutcheon of the abbey portal.

    Hitler's father, a customs officer, hoped the boy would follow in his footsteps and become a civil servant. His tutor encouraged him to become a monk. Instead the young Hitler went, or rather fled, to Vienna. And there, thwarted in his artistic aspirations by the bureaucratic mediocrities of academia, he turned to isolation and meditation. Lost in the great capital of Austria-Hungary, he searched for his destiny.

    * **** * **** *
    Throughout the years of his youth, Hitler lived the life of a virtual recluse. He greatest wish was to withdraw from the world. At heart a loner, he wandered about, ate meager meals, but devoured the books of three public libraries. He abstained from conversations and had few friends.

    It is almost impossible to imagine another such destiny where a man started with so little and reached such heights. Alexander the great was the son of a king. Napoleon, from a well-to-do family, was a general at 24. Fifteen years after Vienna, Hitler would still be an unknown corporal. Thousands of others had a thousand times more opportunity to leave their mark on the world.

    Hitler had not yet focused on politics, but without his rightly knowing, that was the career to which he was most strongly called. Politics would ultimately blend with his passion for art. People, the masses, would be the clay the sculptor shapes into an immortal form. The human clay would become for him a beautiful work of art like one of Myron's marble sculptures, a Hans Makart painting, or Wagner's Ring Trilogy.

    His love of music, art and architecture had not removed him from the political life and social concerns of Vienna. In order to survive, he worked as a common laborer side by side with other workers. He was a silent spectator, but nothing escaped him: not the vanity and egoism of the bourgeoisie, not the moral and material misery of the people, nor yet the hundreds of thousands of workers who surged down the wide avenues of Vienna with anger in their hearts.

    He had also been taken aback by the growing presence in Vienna of bearded Jews wearing caftans, a sight unknown in Linz. "How can they be Germans?" he asked himself. He read the statistics: in 1860 there were 69 Jewish families in Vienna; 40 years later there were 200,000. They were everywhere. He observed their invasion of the universities and the legal and medical professions, and their takeover of the newspapers.

    Hitler was exposed to the passionate reactions of the workers to this influx, but the workers were not alone in their unhappiness. There were many prominent persons in Austria and Hungary who did not hide their resentment at what they believed was an alien invasion of their country. The mayor of Vienna, a Christian-Democrat and a powerful orator, was eagerly listened to by Hitler.

    Hitler was also concerned with the fate of the eight million Austrian Germans kept apart from Germany, and thus deprived of their rightful German nationhood. He saw Emperor Franz Josef as a bitter and petty old man unable to cope with the problems of the day and the aspirations of the future.

    Hitler was not much concerned with his private life. In Vienna he had lived in shabby, cramped lodgings. But for all that he rented a piano that took up half his room, and concentrated on composing his opera. He lived on bread, milk, and vegetable soup. His poverty was real. He did not even own an over-coat. He shoveled streets on snowy days. He carried luggage at the railway station. He spent many weeks in shelters for the homeless. But he never stopped painting or reading.

    Despite his dire poverty, Hitler somehow managed to maintain a clean appearance. Landlords and landladies in Vienna and Munich all remembered him for his civility and pleasant disposition. His behaviour was impeccable. His room was always spotless, his meager belongings meticulously arranged, and his clothes neatly hung or folded. He washed and ironed his own clothes, something which in those days few men did. He needed almost nothing to survive, and money from the sale of a few paintings was sufficient to provide for all his needs.

    * **** * **** *
    Quietly, the young Hitler was summing things up in his mind.

    First: Austrians were part of Germany, the common fatherland.

    Second: The Jews were aliens within the German community.

    Third: Patriotism was only valid if it was shared by all classes. The common people with whom Hitler had shared grief and humiliation were just as much a part of the fatherland as the millionaires of high society.

    Fourth: Class war would sooner or later condemn both workers and bosses to ruin in any country. No country could survive class war; only cooperation between workers and bosses can benefit the country. Workers must be respected and live with decency and honor. Creativity must never be stifled.

    When Hitler later said that he had formed his social and political doctrine in Vienna, he told the truth. Ten years later his observations made in Vienna would become the order of the day.

    * **** * **** *
    Thus Hitler was to live for several years in the crowded city of Vienna as a virtual outcast, yet quietly observing everything around him. His strength came from within. He did not rely on anyone to do his thinking for him. Exceptional human beings always feel lonely amid the vast human throng. Hitler saw his solitude as a wonderful opportunity to meditate and not to be submerged in a mindless sea. In order not to be lost in the wastes of a sterile desert, a strong soul seeks refuge within himself. Hitler was such a soul.

    The First World War was a turning point in his life. He regarded it as the hand of destiny.

    * **** * **** *
    The lightning in Hitler's life would come from the word.

    All his artistic talent would be channeled into his mastery of communication and eloquence. Hitler would never conceive of popular conquests without the power of the word. He would enchant and be enchanted by it. He would find total fulfillment when the magic of his words inspired the hearts and minds of the masses with whom he communed.

    He would feel reborn each time he conveyed with mystical beauty the knowledge he had acquired in his lifetime.

    Hitler's incantory eloquence will remain, for a very long time, a vast field of study for the psychoanalyst. The power of Hitler's word is the key. Without it, there would never have been a Hitler era.

    * **** * **** *
    Did Hitler believe in God? He believed deeply in God. He called God the Almighty, master of all that is known and unknown.

    Propagandists portrayed Hitler as an atheist. He was not. He had contempt for hypocritical and materialistic clerics, but he was not alone in that. He believed in the necessity of standards and theological dogmas, without which, he repeatedly said, the great institution of the Christian church would collapse. These dogmas clashed with his intelligence, but he also recognized that it was hard for the human mind to encompass all the problems of creation, its limitless scope and breathtaking beauty. He acknowledged that every human being has spiritual needs.

    The song of the nightingale, the pattern and color of a flower, continually brought him back to the great problems of creation. No one in the world has spoken to me so eloquently about the existence of God. He held this view not because he was brought up as a Christian, but because his analytical mind bound him to the concept of God.

    Hitler's faith transcended formulas and contingencies. God was for him the basis of everything, the ordainer of all things, of his Destiny and that of all others.

    From The Journal of Historical Review, May-June 1994 (Vol. 14, No. 3), pages 22-26.

    This piece is from the introduction by Leon Degrelle (1906- 1994) to the second volume of his uncompleted series of books on Hitler’s life and legacy, which was provisionally titled “The Hitler Century.”
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    Hitler ideology could be good but the way he tried to implement it was evil, invading and bombing another countries, killing a lot of people (and sometimes only for his own benefit), stealing properties and possession from other people and putting them in camps, experiments with human beings in labs, killing his own generals as Rommel, even he cheated the treasury of his own country while being in power, and so many atrocities were committed during his command.

    I forgot that he helped the dictator Franco to win the civil war in Spain and the famous Picasso picture “El Guernica” was painted as reminder of the massacre made in that village in Spain by the German airplanes during the civil war.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Altea1 View Post
    Hitler ideology could be good but the way he tried to implement it was evil, invading and bombing another countries, killing a lot of people (and sometimes only for his own benefit), stealing properties and possession from other people and putting them in camps, experiments with human beings in labs, killing his own generals as Rommel, even he cheated the treasury of his own country while being in power, and so many atrocities were committed during his command.

    I forgot that he helped the dictator Franco to win the civil war in Spain and the famous Picasso picture “El Guernica” was painted as reminder of the massacre made in that village in Spain by the German airplanes during the civil war.
    Thank you Altea for your comment. I suggest some of what you state here is Zionist spin and not what really happened. As you know Hitler has been demonised for over 60 years and sorting the truth from fiction takes some
    time and assessment. Perhaps when you too have done some investigative reading such as from the site I quoted to Hano, you may change your view.
    Adolf Hitler as I suggested earlier was not a perfect being but I suggest the many posts that Ron has made on the truth behind WW2 give good reason for Hitler's actions.

    Blessings Brian

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    Quote Originally Posted by Altea1 View Post
    Hitler ideology could be good but the way he tried to implement it was evil, invading and bombing another countries, killing a lot of people (and sometimes only for his own benefit), stealing properties and possession from other people and putting them in camps, experiments with human beings in labs, killing his own generals as Rommel, even he cheated the treasury of his own country while being in power, and so many atrocities were committed during his command.

    I forgot that he helped the dictator Franco to win the civil war in Spain and the famous Picasso picture “El Guernica” was painted as reminder of the massacre made in that village in Spain by the German airplanes during the civil war.
    Hitler's ideology had nothing to do with other countries. It was only about Germany. He wanted to free Germany from the domination of the Jews. He didn't have any imperialist wishes to expand Germany by force and take over other countries. That is Khazar business. The reason that they invaded Poland was out of self defence. Poland was massing troops on the German border and making guerrila-like incursions into Germany. Poland was trying to bait Germany into attacking first and it worked but Germany had no choice but to protect itself. Hitler was a nationalist, not an imperialist.

    Any country that Germany so called "invaded" was purely done to protect Germany's interests. Germany entered Russia because the Bolshevik Soviets posed a direct threat to Europe and their Communistic ways could not be allowed to spread. Other countries were only entered to protect German people or defend German interests. They were not occupying forces like the imperialist US and Britain.

    He didn't do anything for his own benefit but only for the good of Germany. Most of the atrocities were committed by the Allies like the starvation in the camps at the end of the war which was caused by the Allies cutting of supplies of food and medicine and the firebombing of Dresden. Those famous photos of so called emaciated "Jews" and piles of dead "Jewish" bodies that were supposedly massacred by the Nazis was actually of German war prisoners in Allied camps massacred by Allied troops. The Allies were more brutal than the Nazis could ever dream of. Most deaths in German camps were caused by disease and hard work and was at most, according to official Red Cross records about 277 000. The Germans took good care of those they placed in the camps and it was for their own protection.

    There were no gas chambers, cremation ovens or mass graves and I'm sure they didn't experiment on humans in labs to create the so-called "Aryan superrace". Aryan as used in truth refers to native white non-Jewish Germans and not some kind of genocidal ideology. That is Jewish ways. I suppose you think too that they made soap from human fat and lampshades from skins?

    Honestly Altea, please go do proper research before making claims like those you made here and don't use mainstream Jewish history books or films. Have you ever read a single word I have posted or Ron's posts on the Holocaust and Hitler on the front site? Practically everything you mention is Khazar/Jewish propogandistic demonising bull! Sorry to be so blunt but it is. As to Franco and Spain-can't comment on that right now, don't yet know enough about that.

    The Nazis and Hitler were no saints and responsible for their own share of pain and suffering, I'll admit that, but neither were they the monsters they are portayed to be. I ask again to anyone to please go do proper research before making the kind of statements that Altea made here which is pure Jewish "history" written to make them look good and Germany bad.

    This material is causing much offense, I can see, but I remember a saying that goes like this : "Before the Truth will set you free, it's going to piss you off first". So be prepared to get more pissed off because more is coming but please inform yourselfs and educate yourselfs. It's only for your own good.

    Hano
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    Altea1

    You mentioned the bombing: well if Hitler really wanted to bomb something then he didnt make a good job: Take London which was bombed by germans at the beginning of the war. Have you ever been in London once ? You would see that most of the buidings survived the war and if even its true that some were destroyed then its absolutely nothing in comparison that the Allies did to Germany:

    http://timelineimages.sueddeutsche.d...griffen_197900: this links present how Munich was looking like after an Bombardement form the Allies. There is simply nothing left.
    In fact 99% of the germans cities were ashes and ruins after that. And an not speaking of Dresden which alone was a crime against humanity.

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    Well that is my view, and i am well documented.

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    Thank you, Altea and that view, as well as all others, are well respected. Also,if possible, please provide some of those documents you mentioned Altea, for comparisons and further study to get a fuller picture and perhaps some corrections to my views as well. I'm open to change. Thanks.

    Hano
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    In this speech made on 1 August 1923 in Munich Hitler speaks about unity and the strength it gives for Liberation and issues a challenge to those whom wishes to subjugate Germany and it's people.

    http://www.hitler.org/
    http://www.hitler.org/speeches/08-01-23.html
    MUNICH
    SPEECH OF AUGUST 1, 1923

    . . . THERE are two things which can unite men: common ideals and common criminality. We have inscribed upon our banner the great Germanic ideal and for that ideal we will fight to the last drop of our blood. We National Socialists have realized that from the international cesspool of infamy, from the Berlin of today, nothing can come to save the Fatherland. We know that two things alone will save us: first, the end of internal corruption, the cleansing out of all those who owe their existence simply to the protection of their party comrades. Through the most brutal ruthlessness towards all party officials we must restore our finances. It must be proved that the official is not a party man, but a specialist! The body of German officials must once more become what once it was. But the second and the most important point is that the day must come when a German government shall summon up the courage to declare to the Foreign Powers: 'The Treaty of Versailles is founded on a monstrous lie. We refuse to carry out its terms any longer. Do what you will! If you wish for war, go and get it! Then we shall see whether you can turn seventy million Germans into serfs and slaves!'

    If cowards cry out: 'But we have no arms!' that is neither here nor there! When the whole German people knows one will and one will only - to be free - in that hour we shall have the instrument with which to win our freedom. It matters not whether these weapons of ours are humane: if they gain us our freedom, they are justified before our conscience and before our God. When the eyes of German children look questioning into ours, when we see the suffering and distress of millions of our fellow-countrymen who without any fault of theirs have fallen into this frightful misfortune, then we laugh at the curses of the whole world, if from these curses there issues the freedom of our race.

    But since we know that today the German people consists for one-third of heroes, for another third of cowards, while the rest are traitors, as a condition of our freedom in respect of the outside world we would first cleanse our domestic life. The present 'United Front' has failed in that task. The day of another 'United Front' will come. But before that there must be a day of reckoning for those who for four and a half years have led us on their criminal ways. The domestic battle must come before the battle with the world without - the final decision between those who say 'We are Germans and proud of the fact' and those who do not wish to be Germans or who are not Germans at all. Our Movement is opposed with the cry 'The Republic is in danger!' Your Republic of the Ninth of November? In very truth it is: the November-Republic is in danger! How long, think you, you can maintain this 'State? . . .

    Our Movement was not formed with any election in view, but in order to spring to the rescue of this people as its last help in the hour of greatest need, at the moment when in fear and despair it sees the approach of the Red Monster. The task of our Movement is still today not to prepare ourselves for any coming election but to prepare for the coming collapse of the Reich, so that when the old trunk falls the young fir-tree may be already standing. The Via dolorosa of Germany from Wirth, by way of Cuno to Stresemann, will end in the dictatorship of a Jewish lord of finance.... WE WANT TO BE THE SUPPORTERS OF THE DICTATORSHIP OF NATIONAL REASON, OF NATIONAL ENERGY, OF NATIONAL BRUTALITY AND RESOLUTION. GERMANY CAN BE SAVED ONLY THROUGH ACTION, WHEN THROUGH OUR TALKING HERE THE BANDAGE HAS BEEN TORN FROM THE EYES OF THE LAST OF THE BEFOOLED. It is from our Movement that redemption will come - that today is the feeling of millions. That has become almost a new religious faith! And there will be only two possibilities: either Berlin marches and ends up in Munich, or Munich marches and ends up in Berlin! A bolshevist North Germany and a nationalist Bavaria cannot exist side by side, and the greatest influence upon the fortunes of the German Reich will be his who shall restore the Reich.... Either Germany sinks, and we through our despicable cowardice sink with it, or else we dare to enter on the fight against death and devil and rise up against the fate that has been planned for us. THEN WE SHALL SEE WHICH IS THE STRONGER: THE SPIRIT OF INTERNATIONAL JEWRY OR THE WILL OF GERMANY.
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    Dear Hano, I do not base my knowledge on written words by others. I base it on what I KNOW after years of my own investigation.

    You have to do your own search. To me it will be a waste of energy to give you details of my own search and you will spend more of your time and energy trying to prove that your point of view is better than mine.
    I will suggest you to do a balanced investigation before starting a thread of this category.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Altea1 View Post
    Dear Hano, I do not base my knowledge on written words by others. I base it on what I KNOW after years of my own investigation.

    You have to do your own search. To me it will be a waste of energy to give you details of my own search and you will spend more of your time and energy trying to prove that your point of view is better than mine.
    I will suggest you to do a balanced investigation before starting a thread of this category.
    What do you meant with balance investigation ??? if you spend only your time reading on the normal and so academic point of view then you would got the same crap that the Khazars were putting on the table since more than half the century. I really dont need to read that academic crap because that the thing that had been taught everywere and the point of view is always the same ah that was those ugly evil germans that did begin the war and that worst evil Hitler.
    Perhaps in the near future when the secret documents that were secrets would be opened we might get a new point of view.

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    If you want to know CM's truth about many Hitler things and his party, read the PJ's.

    A lot of unknown truth to find there in different PJ's!

    Here some excerpts to give an idée.

    Link to the transcribed PJ's: http://www.freewebs.com/tweeofmeer/phoenixjournals.htm

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    -- PJ 13 -- pag. 82

    Let us go back to the time of Adolf Hitler in Germany. It is not my intention to give you a history of the Second World War. References will be made but basically you can just accept that the war was fought and Nazi Germany did surrender.

    Hitler will always be proven in Earth history, to have been and always will be, an enigma. He has been labeled by some as a total madman and hailed by some as a genius. He did manage to bring the State of Germany out of virtual bankruptcy into a state of being a major, major world power.

    Much of Hitler's views and attitudes can be well summed up in works which actually fit the picture as it is being unfolded in your current day---you see, nothing is "new".

    Hitler felt, based on his studies and an enormous amount of read*ing, that there existed a very definite plan by a small, but im*mensely powerful group of Jewish bankers, financiers, industrial*ists and others, to take control of the entire world. It is important to remember that he lived in Vienna during a time when a very noisy battle was raging between Zionist Jews, (who wanted to be a separate race, religion, nation and culture with their own state, Israel), and the assimilated elements amongst the Jews, (who wanted to be part of the cosmopolitan establishment of the Austrian Empire), with all the privileges and power their immense wealth bestowed on them. Hitler's appraisal of the Jews can best be summed up as contained in a document called "The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion". This is a very important aspect of the whole U.F.O. story because, in it, you find the seeds for many far-reaching decisions made some three decades later. Hitler saw in this actual or imagined Jewish drive for world domination, a very definite danger to his own work and plan. My intention herein is not to judge the man but only to clarify points which impact later events.

    To better understand intent let us look at the 24 points of the Party Programme as listed in the book NAZI SECRET WEAPON? and see how Hitler reflected them:

    THE PROGRAM OF THE PARTY
    QUOTE:

    The Programme of the German Workers' Party is limited as to period. The leaders have no intention, once the aims announced in it have been achieved, of setting up fresh ones, in order to ensure the continued existence of the Party by the artificially increased discontent of the masses.

    1. We demand the union of all Germans, on the basis of the right of the self-determination of peoples, to form a Great Germany.

    2. We demand equality of rights for the German People in its dealings with other nations, and abolition of the Peace Treaties of Versailles and St. Germain.

    3. We demand land and territory (colonies) for the nourishment of our people and for settling our surplus population.

    4. None but members of the nation may be citizens of the State. None but those of German blood, whatever their creed, may be members of the nation. No Jew, therefore, may be a member of the nation.

    5. Anyone who is not a citizen of the State may live in Germany only as a guest and must be regarded as being subject to the Alien laws.

    6. The right of voting on the leadership and legislation is to be enjoyed by the citizens of the State alone.

    We demand, therefore, that all official appointments, of whatever kind, whether in the Reich, the provinces, or the small communi*ties, shall be granted to citizens of the State alone.

    We oppose the corrupt Parliamentary custom of the State of filling posts merely with a view to Party considerations, and without reference to character or capacity.

    7. We demand that the State shall make it its first duty to pro*mote the industry and livelihood of the citizens of the State. If it is not possible to nourish the entire population of the State, foreign nationals (non-citizens of the State) must be excluded from the Reich.

    8. All further non-German immigration must be prevented. We demand that all non-Germans who entered Germany subsequently to August 2, 1914, shall be required forthwith to depart from the Reich.

    9. All citizens of the State shall possess equal rights and duties.

    10. It must be the first duty of every citizen of the State to perform mental or physical work. The activities of the individual must not clash with the interests of the whole, but must proceed within the framework of the community and must be for the general good.

    We demand therefore:

    11. Abolition of incomes unearned by work. Abolition of the thraldom of interest.

    12. In view of the enormous sacrifice of life and property de*manded of a nation by every war, personal enrichment through war must be regarded as a crime against the nation. We demand therefore the ruthless confiscation of all war profits.

    13. We demand nationalization of all businesses which have (hitherto) been amalgamated (into Trusts).

    14. We demand that there shall be profit-sharing in the great in*dustries.

    15. We demand a generous development of provision for old age.

    16. We demand the creation and maintenance of a healthy middle class, immediate communalization of wholesale warehouses, and their lease at a low rate to small traders, and that the most careful consideration shall be shown to all small purveyors to the State, the provinces, or smaller communities.

    17. We demand a land-reform suitable to our national requirements, the passing of a law for the confiscation without compensation of land for communal purposes, the abolition of interest on mortgages, and prohibition of all speculation in land.

    On 13 April 1928, Adolf Hitler made the following declaration:

    `It is necessary to reply to the false interpretation on the part of our opponents of Point 17 of the Programme of the NSDAP,

    `Since the NSDAP admits the principle of private property, it is obvious that the expression "confiscation without compensation" refers merely to the creation of possible legal means of confiscating, when necessary, land illegally acquired, or not administered in accordance with the national welfare. It is therefore directed in the first instance against the Jewish companies which speculate in land.-- --(signed) Adolf Hitler Munich, April 13, 1928'

    18. We demand ruthless war upon all those whose activities are in*jurious to the common interest. Common criminals against the nation, usurers, profiteers, & etc., must be punished with death, whatever their creed or race.

    19. We demand that the Roman Law, which serves the materialistic world order, shall be replaced by a German common law.

    20. With the aim of opening to every capable and industrious Ger*man the possibility of higher education and consequent advancement to leading positions the State must consider a thorough reconstruction of our national system of education. The curriculum of all educational establishments must be brought into line with the requirements of practical life. Directly the mind begins to develop the schools must aim at teaching the pupil to understand the idea of the State (State sociology). We demand the education of specially gifted children of poor parents, what*ever their class or occupation, at the expense of the State.

    21. The State must apply itself to raising the standard health in the nation by protecting mothers and infants, prohibiting child labour, and increasing bodily efficiency by legally obligatory gymnastics and sports, and by extensive support of clubs engaged in the physical training of the young.

    22. We demand the abolition of mercenary troops and the formation of a national army.

    23. We demand legal warfare against conscious political lies and their dissemination in the Press. In order to facilitate the creation of a German national Press we demand:

    a.) That all editors and contributors to newspapers employing the German language must be members of the nation;

    b.) That special permission from the State shall be necessary before non-German newspapers may appear. These need not necessarily be printed in the German language;

    c.) That non-Germans shall be prohibited by law from partici*pating financially in or influencing German newspapers, and that the penalty for contravention of the law shall be suppression of any such newspaper, and immediate deportation of the non-German involved.

    It must be forbidden to publish newspapers which do not conduce to the national welfare. We demand the legal prosecution of all tendencies in art and literature of a kind likely to disintegrate our life as a nation, and the suppression of institutions which militate against the above-mentioned requirements.

    24. We demand liberty for all religious denominations in the State, so far as they are not a danger to it and do not militate against the morality and moral sense of the German race.

    The Party, as such, stands for positive Christianity, but does not bind itself in the matter of creed to any particular confession. It combats the Jewish-materialist spirit within and without us, and is convinced that our nation can achieve permanent health from within only on the principle: the common interest before self-in*terest.

    That all the foregoing requirements may be realized we demand the creation of a strong central power of the Reich. Unconditional authority of the politically central Parliament over the entire Reich and its organization in general.

    The formation of Diets and vocational Chambers for the purpose of executing the general laws promulgated by the Reich in the various States of the Confederation.

    The leaders of the Party swear to proceed regardless of conse*quences--if necessary at the sacrifice of their lives--towards the fulfillment of the foregoing Points. Munich, February 24, 1920

    END QUOTE.

    Before you throw up your hands in horror, I suggest you go back and re-look at each of the 24 items very carefully. If I left out names and locations---would it not indeed be quite familiar? Ask the American Indian! Ask the incarcerated Japanese!----ask the ones who attack this scribe daily to BAN THESE JOURNALS!

    Dharma, allow us a break and then we will give you a better comparison: the "Emergency Banking Regulation" of the United States of America--under which you squarely fall--it is but an example. Your papers are completely controlled, as is your television media and radio--the news is identical, even unto scripting, from channel to channel--even your call-in radio talk programs are completely controlled--even unto the button which fades out the opinions of ones unlike that of the M.C.! Check out the radio program of Nevada's Billy Goodman when our publisher was set-up for batterment and the people are left with distorted and set-up lies. Read carefully, these things, for this is the way destruction begins! So be it.

    Hatonn to stand-by. Salu.


    -- PJ 13 -- pag. 86


    -- PJ 13 -- pag. 95
    CHAPTER 9

    REC #3 HATONN

    THURSDAY, MAR. 15, 1990 6:30 P.M. YEAR 3 DAY 211

    SECRET SOCIETY

    When we speak of Hitler, we must remember that he was trained through his individual experiences just as are all. He was deeply involved in a most secret society called Thule. This society stood for racial segregation with the Arian white race as masters of all. It included the Nordic culture and the society was interested in areas such as Greenland, the Arctic and Antarctic. The Thule Society emblem consisted of the swastika, a downward pointing sword and a wreath of oak leaves--all symbols later used in Nazi Germany--remember that the swastika is a symbol of "life" in the native Indian culture.

    Nazi Germany was years ahead of the rest of the world in many technological areas. It is internationally recognized that if Germany had had a greater supply of natural resources and manpower, then the war would have undoubtedly had a much different ending.

    Germany produced many super weapons including the first jet fighter aircraft, the first missile system and various others which were almost in the realm of science fiction.

    THE WIND CANNON

    The wind cannon was produced by Germany late into the war. This fired compressed air. There was also the sun cannon which reflected the sun and burned its target. They also had rocket packs worn by individuals that were jet powered. This rocket enabled persons to make jumps of up to a distance of some fifty to sixty yards. They also produced B1 and B2 rockets. Germany introduced the forerunner to the intercontinental ballistic missile. This was introduced in 1942 and was capable of striking the United States. No reason was found for its never having been used. In 1940 a vertical takeoff aircraft was invented and only in recent years have the western countries managed to produce such aircraft.

    Let us speak of the "sound cannon". This was first produced for use in about 1943. It consisted basically of a combustion chamber with a barrel and worked by methane and oxygen. It was the resulting explosion which created the damage. Animals could be killed instantly within a hundred yards and troops could be paralyzed for hours at a range of 200 yards. By April 1945 Germany had in production 150 different types of missiles and rockets on the drawing board with diagrams and even models along with aircraft of all sizes.

    Among these diagrams was one which eventually became the Boeing Corporation's 747 Jumbo Jet. Incredibly enough--among the technology was the Flying Disc. As early as 1940 these were being produced. There is photographic proof of such craft but no material proof was ever captured by wartime allies.

    According to your own records there were as many as five major scientists working on the "UFO" projects. They developed a disc shaped machine with a 65 foot diameter. Involved were Bellonzo, Schriever, Miethe and, of course, Victor Schauberger. His disc or "Flying Hat" was electro-magnetically powered and if you look at photographs of the Schauberger disc you will note that it looks ex*actly like discs photographed over the United States. These discs attained great speed with silent take-off. There were also designs called flying wheels and craft with inflatable airbags for landing cushions. They had some quite fine prototypes but no, they were not Pleiadian design. They were more on the technology of Saturnians and some Reticulum craft.

    The final model was referred to as the Bellonzo-Schriever-Miethe Diskus. This version was produced in various sizes, some as large as 135 feet and even 225 feet in diameter. Actual speeds recorded were over 2000 km/hour. Conventional rocket motor speeds of up to 4000 km/hour were anticipated. Interestingly enough, no German technicians who worked on those advanced machines have volunteered their knowledge.

    More interesting is the fact that many scientists were taken by the allies and yet no UFO scientists were located. As a matter of fact, installations for work on the craft were often underground or in hillside cave dugouts. All facilities were dismantled and vanished without leaving so much as a detail. Now where do you think everyone went?

    LOOK AT THE EVIDENCE

    Now, dear ones, we are not speaking of sloppy workmanship. In 1945 a disc could attain an altitude of 40,000 feet in less than three minutes, reaching a speed of 1,300 mph. You need to also remember that Germany was the first to fly what you now call Delta Wing craft. As a matter of fact, the advanced technology was comparable to much of your public-attentioned aircraft of the current day--i.e., the Stealth, etc. This, of course, is a cover for what is actually going on but I need not spoil the story.

    These discs were manufactured in many various areas and all were well hidden even from the local population. As the craft would be finished, they were immediately dismantled and shipped in pieces out of the country---usually along with the pilots. Orders for dismantling always came directly from Adolf Hitler himself. The major scientists involved simply vanished.

    Many German scientists went to America after the war and they were all interrogated about the UFO works; however, it has never been made public to you ones as to whether or not the major technology was ever revealed. And yet you got the nuclear bomb--in fact, it was said that the bomb itself was built in Germany!

    Many reports were made by pilots over Germany, about UFOs. The strange thing is that no-one was ever injured by them although they certainly unnerved many air crews. Then following the surrender of Germany, the same type objects were observed over the Japanese areas.

    NEW METAL

    Probably the most unique thing that came out of that period of technological spurt was a new type of metal. This metal is harder than diamonds. This metal glows alternatively in colors of the rainbow when heated to a high degree. It was first used commer*cially in 1936. Strangely enough no record was made of this metal in the indexes of metals.

    THE A-BOMB

    Hitler issued an order on September 26, 1936. A Dr. Esau was put in control of the project. With the capture of Norway there was available to Germany a source of heavy water which had previously been lacking. One tanker full of heavy water has not been accounted for to this day.

    Thus it can be seen that Germany was a very advanced country--the mystery is, what happened to all the technology?

    To start with, let us examine one of the biggest mysteries of your 20th century. Did Adolf Hitler commit suicide or did he not? Popular accounts are that on the 30th of April, 1945, Hitler shot himself. His body was said to have then been cremated. The most important witnesses and the men closest to Hitler have never been found, e.g. Bormann, Stumpfegger, Gunsche, et al.

    Here you will find a most interesting situation, only two eyewit*nesses were found who claimed Hitler committed suicide--all other witnesses were never found or could not answer. Hitler's body was never found. Also, the bloodstains found on the furniture where Hitler supposedly committed suicide was not of Hitler's blood type. There is absolutely no concrete evidence, therefore, that Hitler died.

    Further, Hitler was not a coward nor did he believe in "giving-in". Suicide is completely out of character for after he had heard of the suicide of the Mayor of Leipzig and his family, he had con*demned suicide as cowardly and unbecoming to a National Socialist.

    Hitler's personal pilot stated that on the first of May, 1945 he flew Hitler and Bormann to an airfield in Norway. I truly doubt that this would represent a resurrection. There they transferred to another aircraft and flew on to another place along the Norwe*gian coast. Later the pilot retracted the statement and backed the suicide statement after having been made aware of the incident.

    Now, very strange things happened when the allies got to Greenland. Norway had held out longer than all other defense positions for the Germans but when the allies reached Greenland they found two direct opposites--sites which were totally abandoned and dismantled and other places where the defense was so total that in the end even the defenders could not be found and were never found--they just vanished.

    AH HA! THE ANTARCTIC

    At the beginning of the war, long range plans were put into opera*tion to prepare bases in the Antarctic should relocation be neces*sary. Strange perhaps, but most effective indeed. Stranger yet, in February, 1945 in Hitler's last speech he said, "Germany will still win the war and the last bastion will be ours!"

    Officially, the second world war was never officially ended. The German army surrendered on the 7th of May, 1945 and Japan followed on the 2nd of September, 1945---no formal peace treaty was ever signed. Your own General Eisenhower stated, just before he became President, "The second world war has not yet ended."

    Stranger yet--during the war Germany had 1,162 U-boats (submarines). Of these, 783 were lost in action. Of the remaining 379, 215 were supposedly scuttled by the German navy itself and about 154 were captured by the allies--the rest were never found. Statistics are rough, however, and several U-boats of the latest design arrived in Japan with war materials some three weeks after-the defeat in Europe. These submarines subsequently sailed and were never again seen.

    Later, some two months after Germany's surrender, a German submarine gave itself up to Argentine authorities after all scientific instruments and weapons on board had been destroyed. The U-boat had calmly slipped into the harbor of Rio de la Plata. The Commander's name was Otto Wermoutt. The world was stunned and electrified! What was a German submarine doing all the way down there in South America? And, why had they not surrendered earlier?

    The crew was turned over to the U.S. military after long demand but no results were ever publicized. Funny thing--the crew was 54 men. The usual German crew size was only 18 men. There were also large food stocks on board. However, the real surprise was 540 large tin cans or barrels, all hermetically sealed and upon opening were found to contain nothing but cigarettes. Now what would a submarine be doing cruising around South America almost three months after the war with a triple strength crew; carrying, a cargo of nothing but cigarettes? The average age of those 54 men turned out to be less than 25 years, with the exception of the machinist who was 32 years old. The commander himself was only 25, and the second officer an incredible 22 years young.

    Later, in checking, it was never found that there was a Captain by the name of Otto Wermoutt, the one given as that of the commander of the U-boat. All the crew had similar mysterious surroundings---no relatives, all alone, etc.

    Five weeks later, another sensational submarine surrender took place and again at Rio de la Plata. A German U-boat, U-977 under Commander H. Schaffer gave itself up to the Argentinian authorities, and this, three months after the end of the war. There was a crew of 32 men--still fourteen above the regular crew. It was soon learned, however, that there had been another 16 men, all of them married and with families in Germany, and had been dropped off "on orders", on the Norwegian coast. It is obvious that the operation was completely in control and the men were dropped off at the exact same spot where earlier reports stated the Fuhrer had been taken after his departure from Berlin. This U-boat was inspected thoroughly in search of Hitler--it was obvious that all on the "inside" knew that Hitler was still alive.

    Still more U-boats appeared off the coast of South America. Well, we will look at possibilities at the next sitting. I don't want to belabor this subject because it is well known that there is a Ger*man base in the Antarctic and the story gets most boring indeed. It is necessary for those of you who come newly into this knowl*edge not be left completely outside the story but it can get most lengthy and has little bearing on UFOs as far as the transfer to the base.

    Dharma, it is late and it has been a very long day. Let us close for this portion. Thank you for your long hours. I will move to stand*by and allow you to close. Good-evening.

    Hatonn to clear, please. Thank you.

    -- PJ 13 -- pag. 99


    -- PJ 13 -- pag. 100
    CHAPTER 10

    REC #1 HATONN
    TUESDAY, MAR. 27, 1990 8:00 A.M. YEAR 3 DAY 223

    Good morning in the Light of the Radiant One. Hatonn present that we might work on the Journal this morning.

    The question which comes to me from you ones who have privy to the daily writings is, "Well, what does Nazi Germany and Hitler have to do with the mess of the Conspiracy?" Lots! Great bunches!

    It moves beyond the mysterious and becomes entangled with your very currency. As you will recall, in a prior chapter we spoke of encounters with German submarines in recent years and many of the German personnel who fled Europe have since been located living in South America quite comfortably and in great abundance.

    Recall also, that in Europe, there exists a registration obligation for each member of a community. Precise and detailed records are kept where a person lives, number of children, sex, age and so forth, as well as place of employment. Also noted, are details of closest relatives. In Europe, therefore, it is relatively easy to trace and locate anyone and at short notice. True, there was a temporary breakdown in the last few months of the war due to heavy bomb damage and the refugee problem, but conditions rapidly returned to the usual bureaucratic precision. In fact, these very records allow for the ferreting out of the "Nazi war criminals".

    Taking into account casualties and deaths from all causes (and this includes the million plus "other losses") there are still 250,000 missing persons and almost all were young people in their late teens to early twenties. That missing group has been widely re*ferred to as the "last battalion".

    Remember, in addition, that when the "last battalion" departed for places of Antarctica and later to slip quietly into Argentina and integrate into the population, counterfeiting plates were taken with them.

    My dear ones, the Falkland Island war had nothing to do with Argentina--it had everything to do with old war remnants of the second" variety. Also a major distraction at a most critical time, as we shall note later.

    The continuous rumors about German U-boat activity in the region of Tierra del Fuego (Feuerland, in German), between the southernmost tip of Latin America and the continent of Antarctica are based on truth and were written up most critically as truth by France's Agence France Press on the 25th of Sept., 1946.

    One of the more startling facts proving quite definitely that W.W. II did not end on May 8th, 1945 is an account some one and a half years after cessation of hostilities in Europe. the Islandic Whaler, "Juliana", was stopped by a large German U-boat. The Juliana was in the Antarctic region around Malvinas Island when a German submarine surfaced and raised the German official naval Flag of Mourning -- red with a black edge. I urge you not to take exception if I repeat a few incidents for they are indeed most important from several aspects and are often missed the first reading.

    The submarine commander sent out a boarding party which approached the Juliana in a rubber dinghy, and having boarded the whaler demanded of Capt. Hekla part of his fresh food stocks. The request was made in the definite tone of an order to which resistance would have been most unwise. The German officer spoke correct English and paid for his provisions in U.S. dollars, giving the Captain a bonus of $10 for each member of the Juliana crew.While the food stuffs were being transferred to the submarine, the submarine commander informed Capt. Hekla of the exact location of a large school of whales. Later the Juliana found the whales exactly where designated. This, too, was reported in the French press.

    Now comes the hook-up. Huge amounts of money were clandestinely invested by Nazi Front men all over the world, but especially in South America. KNOWN are 300 million dollars to Spain, Sweden 250 million, Switzerland 100 million and Portugal 50 million and this represents only about 25% of the known investments which were mostly centralized in South and Central America.

    Billions of dollars were invested (and are being currently, 3/27/90) in large tracts of jungle and pampas real estate, factories, transportation, airlines, shipping and other assorted companies in*cluding food processing and agriculture. ALL PAID FOR IN AMERICAN DOLLARS--BY THE BILLIONS. It is not drug money being laundered through the South and Central American Banks that is the target of the U.S.--it is an effort to stop the flooding of the counterfeit money.

    The U.S. tells you the new money will be for the purpose to stop drug dealers and stop counterfeiting among the drug dealers---nay, nay, NAY--it is the only way to stop the German printing presses in your own hemisphere.

    How many of you are further aware that the U.S. GAVE currency printing plates to Russia? I thought not. Check it out--it will do wonders for your confirmation of old Hatonn's input.

    "RED HOUSE CONFERENCE"

    Let us look at some findings which surfaced in 1944. Yes, Dharma, the history is most important, chela, for you cannot have continuity and find belief in these truths unless you are given confirmation in background. You know me and know my words are truth--most readers are still in shock and are looking for every detail possible to disprove my input. I'm sorry, chela, I know the writing is long and distressing, but it is indeed necessary. Thank you for continuing this dialog. Your legacy shall be great, let us lot weaken now for mankind must know the whole of it. He must be able to locate from whence his attackers shall be coming forth.

    I think, for clarification, it would be easier and give more earth confirmation if I dictate a portion from a book entitled THE AVENGERS, by Michael Bar-Zohar dealing with Jewish war and post war tactics against the Germans. You can find a lot of detailed information about the transfer, of German money to foreign lands. You do not need to get the book for I shall honor the author but we are more concerned, at this point, with the counterfeit funds. But you need confirmation regarding the money shift, etc., to give credence to this writing as to background.

    The Red House Conference: let us quote, please.

    A most unusual conference of German officials and industrialists was held at the Maison Rouge Hotel in Strasbourg on August 10, 1944. The proceedings of this "Red House" conference are known from the shorthand report, which fell into the hands of the American OSS at the end of the war. A Lieutenant Revesz showed it to Simon Wisenthal, who took a photostat and published it some years later.

    Among those present at this conference were representatives of the Ministry of Munitions and the Foreign Office, delegates from the big industrial com*bines--Krupps, Messerschmitt, Rochling, Goering Werke, Hermannsdorfwerke--and several senior civil servants. The object of the meeting was to decide upon measures for safeguarding the treasury of the Third Reich. They reached two main decisions--some of the riches would be hidden away in the territory of the Reich, and German capital would be sent abroad.

    The conference urged that the Nazi Party should go underground in the event of defeat, and should prepare for a return to power with the help of the treasures safely hidden away.

    These decisions began to be put into effect in the following months. An "experimental station" was set up near Lake Toplitz and a number of containers packed chiefly with forged pound notes and documents were submerged in the lake, and some other containers were hidden away in old mines in the hills. Most of them were removed again when Allied forces were approaching the region. Although the Allies did not have full knowledge of these hiding places until the report of the "Red House" conference fell into their hands, some information on the Nazis' postwar plans had reached the Allied secret services early in 1945. In March of that year a detailed report on the subject was submitted to the State Department in Washington:

    "The Nazi regime has made very precise clans for the perpetuation of its doctrine and domination after the war. Some of these plans are already being put into effect.

    "Members of the Nazi Party, German industrialists and Army leaders, realizing that there is no hope of victory, are presently preparing commercial plans for the postwar period, endeavoring to renew connections with industrial circles abroad in the hope of reestablishing prewar cartels. After the war, the intention is for 'front men' to appeal to the courts of various countries against the 'illegal' seizure of German industrial concerns and other German property by the Allies at the outbreak of the war. In the event this method does not succeed, the recovery of the German property would be made through figureheads possessing the requisite citizenship. German attempts to continue to have a share in the control and development of technological progress during the immediate postwar period are reflected in the phenomenal increase in German patents registered in certain foreign countries during the past two years. These registrations reached their peak in 1944....

    "German capital and plans for the building of ultra*modern technical schools and research laboratories are being offered on very advantageous terms, in view of the fact that the Germans will hereby be able to make and perfect new weapons.

    "The German propaganda program is an integral part of this general planning for the postwar period. The immediate aim of this propaganda program will be to bring about a relaxation of Allied controls on the pretext that the Germans should be treated `honestly'. Later, this program will be extended and intensified with a view to reviving Nazi doctrine and pursuing German ambitions of world domination. Unless these plans are counteracted, they constitute a constant threat to the peace and security of the postwar world."

    The American specialists had greatly extended their knowledge of this subject by the end of the war. They soon had a list of 750 firms with head offices in neutral countries, founded or bought with German capital. Switzerland headed the list with 274 firms; then came Portugal with 258, Spain with 112, Ar*gentina with 98, and Turkey with 35. A number of firms had also been acquired in South American countries other than Argentina.

    Special accounts in Swiss and Liechtenstein banks were placed at the disposal of the Argentine Government, officially to help their industrial development. Some of the accounts were made personally available to Argentine leaders.

    As military defeat and final catastrophe had become more certain, the Nazi chiefs stepped up their preparations for the future--a future in which they meant to have a stake. They had deposited large sums with banks in neutral countries and salted away just as much in the portfolios of apparently respectable people in Liechtenstein, Portugal, and Patagonia, and had hidden much wealth in the depths of old salt mines in Austria and below the dark water of the Alpine lakes. All of this hidden treasure might indeed permit a revival of Nazism one day--so long as there were still Nazis around able to draw upon it.

    Ah, the Germans were a busy lot, from whom you ones at this time in history, could well take lessons in preparation. Added to their tucking away of treasures, extensive research was immediately launched into areas of artificial food cultivation, in huge greenhouses, with everything grown only on "chemical soil" an under artificial light. "Butter" was produced from coal and dry milk was one of their very survival inventions. A method was alsc invented to indefinitely preserve wheat flour. Great strides were also made in Freeze Drying all types of food and this was carried out particularly in experimental plants located in the area of Helmstedt. Hitler was keenly interested in these projects, visiting them frequently. In a very short while, Germany was more or less self-sufficient and for the first time in centuries. NO GERMAN EVER EXPERIENCED WANT AND HUNGER AGAIN UNTIL THE ALLIES BURNT OR ROBBED ALL THE HUGE WAREHOUSES OF THEIR CONTENTS IN 1945 AND AFTER.

    LIES OF THE LIBERATORS

    Any German who lived through that dreadful time will tell you what the humanitarian "liberators" of Germany doled out as food rations after their victory. In the French zone of occupation it was officially 850 calories a day, in the American zone it was "officially" a little more, whilst the inmates of Hitler's concentration camps (whose bony corpses you are still seeing daily on T.V. and in the newspapers), received more than double that amount of calories daily. The resultant famine and death from starvation, particularly among the elderly and infants, is well remembered by the German population. They call it a "peace crime". The food supply for any secret UFO force, (which is what Hitler himself called the "last battalion"), had already been solved.

    WHAT ABOUT THAT COUNTERFEIT MONEY?

    What about funds? Well, let us examine some facts which should also begin to give you clues as to why the Jewish community insists on keeping the "holocaust" in the forefront of people's minds some forty plus years later. IT SIMPLY IS NOT LIKE YOU HAVE BEEN TOLD IT IS, AND WAS!

    Let us look into the counterfeit situation. Hitler had again already planned, with great foresight, for this inevitability. In captivity in concentration camps such as Dachau, Buchenwald and Auschwitz, were Europe's best-known and most skilled forgers, ---- many of them JEWS. They were geniuses at their particular craft.

    A secret order was issued from Berlin code-named "Operation Bernhard". All the forgery experts were collected and were offered life and freedom if they cooperated in producing for Hitler, perfect forgeries of some of the allied currencies, but in particular, forgeries of the British pound and the American dollar, in various denominations. At first the forgers refused, but one by one they cooperated and in an astonishingly short space of time, they produced what seemed to be perfect forgeries. The German government supplied from its own papermills what is usually the stumbling block to perfect counterfeiting -- high quality paper. The plates and paper were perfect, but not satisfied with their own judgement, a secret agent was sent to neutral Switzerland with a suitcase full of "German-made" pounds and dollars as well as other currencies in all denominations. This agent went to one of Switzerland's largest banks and requested to see the manager and stated: "I am negotiating a business deal with a man I suspect of being a Nazi agent, and he intends to pay me in this currency with these bills. Please test them and see if they are genuine."

    The bank manager explained he could not do this right away since it was in foreign currency, so the Nazi agent left the bills with the bank manager arranging to return within a few days. Upon his return, he was told that the money was genuine, and that the bank would be pleased to accept it for exchange. The agent returned to Germany and the printing presses started rolling in Auschwitz and Buchenwald. Untold millions were printed, so much so that Britain, after the war, withdrew from circulation its five pound note--a first in British history.

    "Come now Hatonn" you say: "This is too much!" Well, let us look at a documented incident and sequel to this story.

    Rumors persisted about Operation Bernhard long after the end of the war and one such rumor was checked out quite thoroughly by you human entities. For weeks a group of Austrian government frogmen searched Lake Toplitz in Austria. Eventually they found the wreckage of a German plane, the skeleton of the dead pilot still strapped to his seat. In the hold were large metal trunks which, when pried open, revealed over 300,000 British five-pound notes, in neat bundles, perfectly unspoiled and with them, some of the printing plates. The money was confiscated by the Austrian authorities, although it was at that time useless as the five pound note had been withdrawn from circulation by the British.

    Now remember the U-boat captain had paid for his food in U.S. dollars and obviously had no shortage of money since each crew member of the whaler had been given a $10 bonus.

    It is not yet generally known that the entire Reichsbank Treasure (All of Germany's reserves) disappeared from the bank vaults in Berlin before the end of the war. Guinness "World Records" book lists this story under "The greatest unsolved robbery!" Dear ones, that money is still viable indeed as a currency--remember that the war was never officially ended?

    NOTE: During the U.S. balance of payments crisis, Time magazine carried an article about discussions taking place at the Headquarters of the World Monetary Fund in Basel, Switzerland. They found that 15 billion dollars were in circulation, which should not really exist. One wonders where that amount of money might come from wouldn't you suspect? And that had naught to do with the American hemisphere. So be it!

    Please, let old Hatonn believe that you are beginning to get a better perspective on current events. Why do you suppose the Thatcher government sanctioned Bush's action in Panama? (The Panama "invasion" was to get control of those banks--remember I told you?). Further, WHO WERE THE ALLIES OF GERMANY IN WWII? JAPAN PERHAPS? WHY DO YOU THINK YOU ARE HAVING TROUBLE GETTING THE NEW MONEY INTO CIRCULATION? OH, MY YES--INTRIGUE, INTRIGUE AND JAMES BOND MAGNIFIED!!

    Further, pay attention to the effort to keep the holocaust (which we will point out probably did not occur as you are told) alive and well--the Zionists who plan Global 2000 takeover of world control know the enemy is at hand and ready to take on anything that comes along---for THEY also plan Global 2000 takeover and control of the world--the conspirators of the Cartel of bankers is all mixed up within them all! Now isn't this grand game playing? Well, it would be if the blind masses of humanity weren't up for enslavement and gross genocide and annihilation.

    How could all these things be kept secret? Easy--no-one gives you any news--the media is totally controlled. Let us look for a minute at the operation Antarctica and Admiral Byrd's expedition, then we can move on into a brief discussion of why the big UFO cover-up.

    A break, please. This computer is acting up. Please open a new file to avoid any losses.

    Hatonn to standby.

    -- PJ 13 -- pag. 106

    -- PJ 13 -- pag. 107
    CHAPTER 11

    REC #2 HATONN

    TUESDAY, MAR. 27, 1990 11:40 A.M. YEAR 3 DAY 223

    TOP SECRET NAZI EXPEDITION
    Let us again turn our attention to the location of the bases. Even in this area Hitler had planned far ahead and at long range. Obvi*ously guided by the possible occupation and subsequent loss of Germany itself, he had cast around for land still available for colo*nization and found that Antarctica was, at that time, the only con*tinent still unclaimed. With his usual dispatch, a polar expedition was organized, the preparation of which was kept secret. The force consisted of several large vessels, at least two of which were aircraft carriers, not the present-day type but rather large ships with float-equipped airplanes on board. The planes were rocket-catapulted off special ramps at the end of the ships and retrieved out of the water via a crane. This secret Nazi Expeditionary Force was headed by Kapitan Ritscher and took place in 1937-38. The force landed in the area of Queen Maud Land and established bases there. Large float planes of the Dornier-Wal type, with the unusual pusher-puller propellers were used to explore a huge area of Antarctic terrain. Over 11,000 photographs were taken for mapping purposes. Significantly, a Swastika flag was dropped every 20 kilometers to substantiate the German claim to that land, comprising over 600,000 square kilometers in all. In this way, not only was a terrain claimed by Germany, larger than Germany itself, but more significantly, for the first time, ice-free oasis (warm lakes) were found by this secret Nazi expedition. They were pho*tographed along with Alp-like mountain ranges of over 4,000 meters in height. Naturally, the explored areas were given German names and so you have today places like "Ritscher Gipfel", or, "Ritscher Peak", named after the leader of the expedi*tion. The hot oasis amongst the eternal ice was called "Schirmacher Seen Platte" -- "Schirmacher Lake Group". These are also often referred to as the "Rainbow Lakes". The different colored appearances of these inland lakes are caused by algae found floating in the sweet water and vary in color from lake to lake as the algae color differs. The waters are warm enough to allow swimming and bathing with just bathing suits and swim trunks.

    Added credence to the secret bases thesis is found in remarks at*tributed to Joachin von Ribbentrop at the outbreak of the war. "In accordance with Germany's long-range political strategy, we have taken into firm possession the Antarctic area, called New Swabia (New Schwabenland) to ensure a safe retreat in case of necessary."

    If you compare the German area to the size of the United States it is huge in comparison.

    Other factors intake Antarctica an ideal place for these bases. There is no rust, no germs, and consequently very little illness or decomposition. Food remains edible forever, since the entire re*gion acts rather like a giant freezer. The shed, for instance, where Scott spent some months pre-W.W. I, before he launched his ill-fated antarctic expedition, was recently discovered. The food which remained in the shed, from almost 70 years ago, was still as fresh and edible as on the day it arrived in Antarctica, and wooden boxes, tin cans, cups, candle and paper (in fact ev*erything), are as well preserved as if by inanimate suspension. Antarctica has no flies, no bugs, and no bacillus can survive the cold temperatures of the surface location.

    20TH CENTURY SECRET?
    Could all of this have taken place in the 20th century without de*tection? Hardly! What steps were taken to discover the truth? What has been done on your placement to do something about the secret bases now that their existence has been established and established beyond a doubt? Why did the world not hear about these incredible events? Good questions indeed and it is surely past time that you the people, open your eyes and look around.

    Obviously, Hitler's escape was discovered immediately, otherwise the statements of Stalin and of Eisenhower and all other quoted sources would be an exercise in insanity. It has even been totally recognized that the Nuremberg War Crimes Trials were staged, to a great extent, in the hope that the "Last Battalion" could be drawn from their impregnable, inaccessible hideouts, and thus force the Fuehrer's hand. A large armed force of elite troops surrounded the whole of the Nuremberg area during the long agonizing months of the typically-Bolshevik show trials. Perhaps there are readers who will be able to recall from newspaper pictures or newsreels the "tight security" that existed in the whole of Germany during those trials. Some S.S. men were actually caught, tried and convicted for attempting to free their leaders, but when the cry of strangulations and torture was over, the Fuhrer was still no-where to be found. Some UFO overflights and activities were reported but no actual armed clashes or incidents took place.

    Washington, Moscow and London then decided to really "get into the act"; in fact, eight countries in total decided to do some "scientific" work in Antarctica, of all places!!! A large expedition, lavishly financed, was quickly put together. It consisted of over 4,000 specially selected elite U.S. navy troops along with an eight month food supply. Thirteen ships under the overall command of Admiral Byrd made up this purely "scientific" expedition, com*posed mostly of military-types and very few scientists.

    The U.S. Antarctic battle fleet left Norfolk, Va, on Dec. 2, 1946 -*three distinct battle groups, comprised of the Mount Olympus, Admiral Byrd's command ship, the ice-breaker, "Northwind", the catapult ship "Pine Island", the destroyer "Brownsen", the aircraft-carrier "Philippines Sea", the U.S. submarine "Sennet and the two support vessels, "Yankee" and "Merrick", as well as the two tankers "Canisted" and "Capacan", an additional floatplane carrying ship, "Currituck" and the destroyer "Henderson".

    At the same time it was announced officially that a similar En*glish-Norwegian force was operating in a support capacity in Antarctic waters around Bahia Marguerite. A Soviet contingent was also participating in the "research".

    U.S.A. CONVOYS IN ANTARCTICA

    The Soviet participation is an interesting one, since Winston Churchill had already spoken of an "Iron Curtain" and felt that "they" -- the crusaders to Europe had "killed the wrong pig". Ob*viously Churchill realized that they should have destroyed Bolshe*vik Russia and not Germany. So be it.

    The general public (YOU) was told that the "RESEARCH” mission was interested in locating uranium and studying the weather. Admiral Byrd, who had already undertaken a similar, though much smaller and speedier, investigation of the north pole was asked why he had recommended the establishment of armed observation camps. His reply, "Because the pole lies between us and our enemies" -- El Mercurio, Santiago, Chile, July 7th, 1947. Further questioning as to which enemy meant, since the Axis powers had just been defeated and had "unconditionally surren*dered", brought no response from the "great" man.

    It was soon learned, however, that as well as the scientific jobs, the mission had the task of "observing the activities of a foreign power in the South Pole Region". Questioned further on this part of the expedition's activities, Adm. Byrd reportedly replied, "To break the last desperate resistance of Adolf Hitler, in case we find him in his Neuberchtesgaden inside 'New Schwabenland' in the Queen Maud Land region, or to destroy him." How interesting indeed.

    Also most interesting, the Byrd expedition was equipped with the very latest devices, amongst them were thermo-magnetic detectors.

    The U.S. expedition duly arrived and landed in Antarctica. With them the very latest in military gear, gadgets and troops. With them the very latest in military carriers, helicopters, floatplanes and every other conceivable military apparatus. Bases were estab*lished and quickly expanded. Observation planes were sent out all over the region. Thousands of photographs were taken and mapping missions flown.

    One particular flight stands out amongst all those reported and one with Adm. Byrd, himself, aboard. The instruments went totally haywire and the performance gauges and altimeters be*haved in a most erratic manner, causing Adm. Byrd to abort the flight and return to base on "visual" control. All instruments returned to normal as soon as open terrain had been reached.

    It was reported, and it is true, that Admiral Byrd located the Se*cret Nazi Base (among other things we shall speak of later) and was approaching it when the above incident took place causing abandonment of the flight, but not before he dropped an American flag and a bomb or two on the approximate spot of the base. This was done, of course, to warn Hitler he was not entirely safe even in his Shangri-la.

    RETALIATION

    Woops--what of an error or two? Vengeance was swift and the Fuhrer was not in a humorous mood. Within 48 hours, four of Byrd's planes had been lost, some without a trace and others without any survivors. Adm. Byrd hastily abandoned all his efforts and disembarked, with all his force, for home.

    PRESS INTERVIEW FOLLOWING DEPARTURE

    On board his flagship "Olympus" he gave the following startling in*terview, translated from the Spanish as it was reported in the pa*per El Mercurio, Santiago, Chile on March 5, 1947. It appeared on the front page under the headline "On Board the Mount Olympus on the High Seas".

    "Adm. Byrd declared today that it was imperative for the United States to initiate immediate defence measures against hostile regions. The Admiral further stated that he didn't want to frighten anyone unduly but that it was a bitter reality that in case of a new war the continental United States would be attacked by flying objects which would fly from pole to pole at in*credible speeds. (Earlier he had recommended defence bases at the North Pole). Admiral Byrd repeated the above points of view, resulting from his personal knowledge gathered both at the north and south poles, before a news conference held for International News Service."

    During the press conference the Admiral also stated that in a quickly shrinking world the United States could no longer derive any sense of security from its isolation or on the geographic dis*tance of the poles or oceans. The Admiral affirmed once again his belief that the entire Antarctic continent should be closely watched and surrounded by a "wall of defense installations, since it represented the last line of defence for AMERICA". (THESE DEFENSE MEASURES HAVE SINCE BEEN TAKEN). Admiral Byrd further stated that no one could give a more accurate accounting of the true significance of the situation than he could, since he had had occasion to employ the latest scientific developments and from what he had learned he could make cornparisons for he had encountered the effect of the secret weapons.

    When Admiral Byrd had arrived back in the U.S. and the significance of his findings had found their way into the press, he was mysteriously hospitalized. No hard information was ever un*earthed but his grand statements to the press in South America and on board the Olympus were not appreciated by the powers in Washington. Less appreciated were the actual facts regarding his expedition which I shall enlighten you about a little bit further on in this writing.

    He was among the first victims of a long string of prominent people "removed from circulation" for their honest belief in Unidentified Flying Objects and encounters with higher forces.

    You can gain great insight into important conclusions from the foregoing:

    1: The final outcome of W.W. II is yet to be decided. This is borne out by the late General and former President Eisenhower's statement--"The second world war has not yet ended," and cor*roborated by Admiral Byrd's alarming phrase "in the case of a new war". Hitler's Last Battalion is waiting for its golden opportunity to be "the tip of the scale" in any conflagration yet to come. SO BE IT, BROTHERS, SO BE IT!

    2: Hitler has defended his secret lair as successfully against Byrd as he had his numerous headquarters in Europe, during the war against the Allies. Byrd was forced to retreat and to acknowledge the superiority of the UFO's, and their secret weapons.

    3: The over fifty small wars since 1945 including Korea and Vietnam, were supposed to provoke a premature "showing of hands" by the Last Battalion.

    4: The "New Third Reich" has maintained its crucial time/technol*ogy advantage over its W.W. II adversaries -- even decidedly in*creased it.

    5: Idealism (spirit) has triumphed already over Materialism (money), since only the German state was destroyed but not the ideology of National Socialism.

    6: There has been a 30-year cover up by brain and more often by brawn, about the true identity of the UFO's or at least many of them. Their origins have been known, but deliberately suppressed by the rulers of the Unholy Alliance of 1939-45.

    7: The real and only reason for the insane UFO cover up, now falling apart, is to be found in most UFO's German origin. The Allies in East and West have told so many lies about the barbaric, sadistic behavior of the Nazis, that they now fear wide-spread panic amongst their populations, should the truth become known. After all, if the Nazis are still around, would it not be logical and natural for them to take revenge one day? With U.F.O. power? Come now--what does the symbol of a swastika really mean? LIFE ONGOING AND WITHOUT END! No, I did not say that I adore and cherish the Third Reich--I said that the swastika means Life! All the liars are not yet out of the woodwork, my friends.

    WHY THE BIG UFO COVER-UP?

    For over 40 years some of the world's most imaginative people have wondered about the "strange" behavior of their governments when it comes to the questions of the UFO's. If the UFO's are extra terrestrial and the humans on your planet have no "defense" against them, then why annoy these beings by orders to "SHOOT TO KILL"? It is interesting that once again you see perfect harmony of approach between the U.S. and the Soviets. In the 70's there was a very detailed report about the Soviet Air Forces having stumbled upon some secret UFO bases in far off Mongolia. The Soviets went in their usual barbaric style, bombed and burned everything to the ground. This was well documented by Dipl. Ing. A. Schneider in the Viennese newspaper, K.Die aktuelle Serie, P.a. Sat. Sept. 14, 1974 as follows:

    . . . the following remarkable report reached us to*day from the Soviet Union: April 24, 1970 was a day that all hell broke loose. A supersonic Soviet jetbomber in a secret mission from Moscow to Vladivostok was lost without a trace over Siberia. The pilot was in voice contact with ground control stations when suddenly the transmission was interrupted. An intensive search by nearly two hundred planes was quickly organized over the area where the pilot was last heard from. Almost simultaneously a number of pilots reported to ground control, "We are not alone up here, above us are flying objects, maybe 25 or even more. They are huge, they are so high we cannot get near them.” That same afternoon in Krasnojarsk, red alert was sounded and troops were deployed around the city because an entire formation of these silvery, silent visitors circled over the scared town. Apparently, entire salvoes of ground to air missiles were fired at hundreds of flying discs which crowded the airspace of the Sino-Soviet-Mongolian frontier area. There was a concerted action by the strange intruders against the town of Ulan Bator, where all flights seemed to emanate from and end. A spokesman for a group of touring German students said after returning from Mongolia, where they had been at the time of the "UFO invasion", "That the So*viet Union had destroyed a secret UFO base of immense proportions consisting of many miles of subterranean tunnels, and dozens of pyramid like structures in the northern area of Mongolia." However no photographic proof or documentary evidence exists. The Soviets are always very secretive.

    After Admiral Byrd's hasty retreat from Antarctica he not only suggested bases around both poles and a ring of armed camps, but offered this plan: Turn Antarctica into atomic test ranges where atom and hydrogen bombs could be dropped to be "tested". Well, this is a quote from an incorrect source--it was not Admiral Byrd who suggested such a thing, he was simply blamed for it.

    A strange thing, however, as soon as such a plan was put forth. Capitol Hill in Washington, D.C. received an official visit. There is not a UFO fan who has not seen the historic photograph of an entire "swarm" of U.F.O.'s flying over the nearby Congressional Buildings and the White House in perfect formation. Interesting to note that the Antarctic test site idea was never again seriously considered.

    Hundreds of sightings took place around the world from Japan to Korea, where you have a particularly good example of a UFO de*materializing in front of the cameras. One must then ask, "Why do these UFO's always show themselves, but why do they not land?" etc., etc., etc. Well, realizing the fear responses and the need to keep the lies hidden--it is indeed unsafe, isn't it? This is appropriate for terrestrial ships as well as extraterrestrial visitors.

    The UFO cover-up is most similar to other actions of the other unholy alliances such as the mass murders of Operation Keelhaul, at Katyn, Dresden and Hiroshima. Let anyone dare to "not conform" with "the establishment's" version of things and you can see people being hounded, defamed and persecuted on a daily basis--not the least of which are our own scribes--just for receiving this information.

    LITTLE MEN WITH AGREEMENTS?

    More distractors and I will investigate herein. Let us look from some other viewpoints, please.

    Often, your UFO fans have advanced the theory that the strange flying objects come from distant planets and galaxies to check on your "atomic experimenting", and some people state "contactees" have been told that the UFO’s would prevent an atomic war on the planet earth. Why should we? Why should we care? We certainly do not demonstrate any great desire to colonize the earth -- at least not in any great numbers. Well, perhaps some of these "aliens" are already scattered about earth. We have all sorts of reasons why we will not allow atomic devastation to wreck your planet:

    These are speculations as presented by some sources who feel an alliance exists with space aliens, etc.

    a) The UFO's are, by now, driven by electro magnetism, consequently all secrets surrounding electric power have been discovered. Since all modern communications and guidance systems are based on electronics, it is an easy task to "listen in", decode and prevent the start or to re-direct whilst in flight, any vehicle or space craft, now in use by the "allies".

    b) The destructive power of atomic weapons is therefore much more of a threat to the powers who possess them and have them stored in silos, in subs, in planes or on their own soil than to those countries who do not have these weapons at all, since they could quite easily be set off by remote control from the UFO's, before they were even launched.
    Please keep in mind that these are projections put forth from your placement--not mine.

    c) The UFO's will undoubtedly prevent atomic war to prevent the extinction of the White Race. At the moment the white people are outnumbered ten to one on the planet and should there be an atomic exchange the ratio would be a hundred to one in the white's dis-favor.

    Well, a few of your better thinkers have found some interesting conclusions which might be worth pointing out.

    No man of the calibre of Adolf Hitler, deeply committed to the survival and resurgence of Western Culture, would ever allow this tragedy to happen to the White Race if he could at all help it.

    There is a most interesting aside which I might note for you. Per*haps a few of you readers will already know the following, that in the region of the South Pole (Antarctica), and to a lesser extent the North Pole, it is possible to escape from the earth's magnetic pull and death through radiation because the Van Allen Belts open up, funnel-like, at both of these extremities. It is possible to launch a spacecraft, with very little radiation protection from this area avoiding enormous weight, a crew needs no radiation-pro*tective gear.

    Now I am going to lay forth some other speculations which might bear contemplation.
    You must remember that Hitler had massive feasibility studies of space stations, based on very specific and valid data.

    He authorized launching an artificial satellite to be rocketed into space in 1947 with the A9-A10 rocket, in a steep angle away from the axis of the earth, and counter to the earth's rotation. From this point it would have been possible to observe any spot on earth within any given two hour time period, and hit any spot on earth with accurate missiles, bombs, radar-guided or other gadgets such as "mirror beams" or "death rays".

    The Rosenbergs mentioned these platforms in their testimony during their espionage trials. They called them "Warships of space". Where did they get this information about top secret plans, not realized by the Allies until some 25 years later? From the same documents that gave them the atomic bomb, of course. Yes, this would definitely seem as if spaceflight was already known to a mysterious group of beings, would it not?

    PROF. DR. JAMES GREENACRE

    The American astronomer, Prof. Dr. James Greenacre and four of his colleagues made an astounding observation from Flagstaff, Ariz. Observatory and reported it to a Conference on "Moon Problems" in New York City in May of 1964. Because of the UFO cover-up policy still in force in the U.S. government, Prof. Dr. Greenacre was only able to give his report verbally to colleagues who were present at the Conference. Here is roughly what he said: "On 29th Oct. 1963 we observed several colorful spots on the Moon, the spots moved in formation across the motionless face of the moon." One month later Prof. Dr. Greenacre observed the same phenomena. The May 1966 issue of "UFO Nachrichten" Vol. 117 reproduced what Dr. Greenacre had stated he had observed. . . "Prof. Dr. Greenacre saw on or close to the moon at least 31 space craft of gigantic size. Some were from 300 meter to 4.8 kilometers long. They were in motion while being observed through the telescopes. Also, clearly discernible were numerous smaller craft approximately 150 meters in diameter, which moved past or alongside the huge craft, the "mother craft" occasionally changing color, as in the often-reported, pulsating style." (The distance from the earth to the moon is 384,000 kilometers). This was the end of the report.

    The American Professor thought at first the Russians might have beaten the Americans to the punch. But not so! So, therefore, who is out there in the wild blue yonder? Well, Prof. Dr. Phillips of Berlin, Hitler's wartime comrade, claimed he knew. He even sent the author of much information on the subject, some charts and time tables of his flights and they match, my friends.

    Before we leave this area of investigation and take a break, we have to look into the repeated reports of "glowing" or "pulsating" lights emanating from U.F.O.'s. You can find an interesting refer*ence to this phenomena from a brilliant German metallurgist who had created "a metal harder than diamonds" called appropriately enough "Impervium". This metal glows alternately in the colors of the rainbow when heated to a high degree. This seems to tie up another loose end and again, the timing is interesting. The metal was used for the first time commercially in 1935-36. The laboratories were located not at Schramberg as Michael X reports but at Starnberg and Starnberger See. However, this could be a simple spelling error by someone not too familiar with the German language. Oh, so much to learn, haven't we?

    Dharma begins to see the handwriting on the wall and is quite un*nerved at t its time, therefore, I request a break and allow settle*ment. It is fine, chela, everyone keeps nagging for "new" informa*tion and perhaps it is time to begin to scatter it around a bit. You will stay closely in the light shield, chela, for as we tread on the proper toes the nasties will get more intense. So be it--the God of Light and Truth shall prevail and this word will go forth. Yes, I know ones are quite dead who have spoken of these things--I do note, however, that you are quite healthy and we intend to keep that status current.

    I move now, to stand-by that we might have a break.

    In love and total light of radiance I salute you for your service.

    Hatonn to clear, please

    -- PJ 13 -- pag. 115


    L & L, Christ.
    I AM THAT I AM

    "If you believe that God is some omnipotent being who hears all prayers, says “yes” to some, “no” to others, and “maybe, but not now” to the rest, you are mistaken. By what rule of thumb would God decide?
    If you believe that God is the creator and decider of all things in your life, you are mistaken.
    God is the observer, not the creator. And God stands ready to assist you in living your life, but not in the way you might expect.
    It is not God’s function to create, or uncreate, the circumstances or conditions of your life. God created you, in the image and likeness of God. You have created the rest, through the power God has given you. God created the process of life and life itself as you know it. Yet God gave you free choice, to do with life as you will.
    In this sense, your will for you is God’s will for you.
    You are living your life the way you are living your life, and I have no preference in the matter.
    This is the grand illusion in which you have engaged: that God cares one way or the other what you do.
    I do not care what you do, and that is hard for you to hear. Yet do you care what your children do when you send them out to play? Is it a matter of consequence to you whether they play tag, or hide and seek, or pretend? No, it is not, because you know they are perfectly safe. You have placed them in an environment which you consider friendly and very okay.
    Of course, you will always hope that they do not hurt themselves. And if they do, you will be right there to help them, heal them, allow them to feel safe again, to be happy again, to go and play again another day. But whether they choose hide and seek or pretend will not matter to you the next day, either.
    You will tell them, of course, which games are dangerous to play. But you cannot stop your children from doing dangerous things. Not always. Not forever. Not in every moment from now until death. It is the wise parent who knows this. Yet the parent never stops caring about the outcome. It is this dichotomy—not caring deeply about the process, but caring deeply about the result—that comes close to describing the dichotomy of God.
    Yet God, in a sense, does not even care about the outcome. Not the ultimate outcome. This is because the ultimate outcome is assured. And this is the second great illusion of man: that the outcome of life is in doubt. "
    From CWG-1

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    Re: Adolf Hitler - The Truth

    G'day cobbers,

    There are some good articles on Hitler and National Socialism in the AH archives. One such is:
    Rethinking Hitler & National Socialism See: http://abundanthope.net/pages/Politi...ocialism.shtml

    Another article along these lines is:
    Historical Facts About Hitler's Germany Ignored By US And British Commonwealth Media.
    http://abundanthope.net/pages/Politi...th-Media.shtml

    And some of the Jewish lies about the German nation are debunked in
    Jewish Lies about the German Nation: Fraudulent Nazi Quotations. See: http://abundanthope.net/pages/Politi...otations.shtml

    Another interesting article is:
    A Defense of Hitler the Veteran? See: http://abundanthope.net/pages/Politi...-Veteran.shtml
    For instance, take this quote about German concentration camps prior to WWII as compared to Stalin's Bolshevik gulags:

    'As for the concentration camps off to which Hitler packed the leaders of the Marxist parties and other subversive groups: in 1935, when the German population stood at 65 million, the concentration camp inmates numbered 3,500, most of them Communists and Social Democrats. The camp system and its mandate were expanded to house people in protective custody for being social nuisances, including beggars, drunks, homosexuals (homosexuality was criminalized under the Second Reich, remained criminalized under Weimar, and was criminalized in the liberal democracies too), gypsies, and habitual criminals — by 1939 there were 10 camps with 25,000 inmates in a country of 80 million people. That doesn’t seem quite as evil as it was cracked up to be. Furthermore, since Himmler and Heydrich certainly did not lack persecuting zeal and organizational skill, we can conclude that the camp system was exactly as big as they thought it should be.


    To give some context, according to
    Wikipedia [16] – where statistics about Soviet atrocities tend to be on the low end due to Marxist policing — in March of 1940, the Soviet Gulag comprised 53 separate camps and 423 labor colonies in which approximately 1.3 million people were interned out of a population of 170 million. Whatever the real size, it was exactly as big as Stalin wanted it to be.

    Although I have not been able to find records of similar forms of internment in liberal democracies for political dissidents and social nuisances, these surely did take place. But even in the absence of these numbers, it seems clear that Hitler’s camps were far more similar to the prisons of liberal democracies than the Soviet Gulag to which they are always likened. - Dr. Ingrid Rimland Zundel

    Ron: Also, it should be noted that as global Jewry declared war on Germany in March 1933 and again in August 1933, [1] (AND that declaration included a trade boycott designed to starve the German population because, due to loss of territory as a result of the Versailles Treaty, Germany could only produce half of the food requirements of its population) Germany could legitimately have INTERNED all Jews in Germany AS ENEMY ALIENS, but Hitler's government did not do that.[2]
    This raises another issue namely, if the Nazis were intent upon holocausting Jews why did they assist those Jews who wanted to go to Israel: see eg: Zionism And The Third Reich. - http://abundanthope.net/pages/Politi...eich_4263.shtm and WHY didn't they INTERN those who didn't (save and except criminals) prior to the war with Russia? Moreover, why were some 150,000 Germans of Jewish descent allowed to fight FOR Germany during WWII. See eg: This bit of history was hidden from us: Hitler's Jewish Army. - http://abundanthope.net/pages/Ron_71...ish-Army.shtml And: Jews Who Served In Hitlers Army ( Here Are Some Of Their Names ) - http://abundanthope.net/pages/Political_Information_43/Jews-Who-Served-In-Hitlers-Army-Here-Are-Some-Of-Their-Names.shtml


    Unlike the governments in the so-called “democracies” of the world, Hitler had the people behind him. See eg: Patriotard Lies About Hitler
    - http://abundanthope.net/pages/Politi...t-Hitler.shtml

    The fact is, cobbers, we live, breathe and have our being in a sea of lies concocted by Jews. Some of those lies are centuries, even millenia old, others are newborn every day. The lies about Hitler and the National Socialists are particularly vitriolic because Hitler's government fully understood the menace posed by global Jewry and valiantly attempted to LEGITIMATELY oust them from their nation. The Nazis refusal to allow the Rothschilds to control their Central Bank and issue usurious money created out of thin air, was totally unacceptable to the Jews as indeed similar actions by the Japanese government prior to WWII, Saddam Hussein in Iraq, Muammar Gaddafi in Libya, Bashar al Assad in Syria, Fidel Castro in Cuba, and now, President Putin in Russia; as well as previous rulers in North Korea, Sudan and Somalia, were also. And so it goes. NOTICE that ALL of the leaders in countries that defy the Jew banksters are vilified and demonised. That is not a coincidence.


    End Note [1]
    See eg:


    WORLD WAR II The JEWS Declared War - AGAINST Germany! NOT the Other Way Around! -
    http://abundanthope.net/pages/Politi...y-Around.shtml

    End Note [2]
    In fact even during WWII Germany did not INTERN all Jews in its Concentration Work Camps anyway. For instance, Otto Frank and his family were only sent to Aushwitz in 1943 because Otto had been caught defrauding the German military which he was supplying with war materials.
    See eg: The Anne Frank Diary Fraud typifies the HoloHoax fraud. - http://just-another-inside-job.blogs...ary-fraud.html

    Namaste,
    Ron

    PS To understand WHY we live in a sea of lies you need to know some history. Jews are Talmudists ie neo-Pharisees. The Pharisees were Edomites and arguably, the ideological descendants of the Canaanites and hence NOT true adherents to the religious beliefs of the Israelites. A Turco-Edomite group was known as the Chazars. Eustace Mullins says that:

    'In order to understand why the name of Shem was systematically reviled and concealedthroughout the records of history, we must return to the record of his thoroughly degenerate and evil nephew, Canaan. Canaan was so wicked that his last will and testament to his children was aformula for vice. It read, "Love one another (that is, of this tribe only), love robbery, lovelewdness, hate your masters, and do not speak the truth." This remarkable document, the Will of Canaan, is to be found in only one place in all the world's theological literature, the BabylonianTalmud, where it is presented thusly, "Five things did Canaan charge his sons: love one another,love robbery, love lewdness, hate your masters, and do not speak the truth." Pes. 113b.

    The Will of Canaan has been the Canaanites prescription for all of their operations during theensuing three thousand years. Meanwhile, the people of Shem, knowing nothing of thisdocument, vainly tried to "convert" the Canaanites, and turn them from their evil ways. If thedescendants of Shem had been warned of the precepts imparted by this document, the history of the last three thousand years could have been very different. The Will of Canaan today remainsthe operating instructions of the Canaanite heirs, who presently control the World Order. At thesame time, it remains unknown to the peoples whom the Canaanites continue to rob, enslave,and massacre. The Will of Canaan contains the instructions necessary to resist the results of theCurse of Canaan, which condemn them to slavery. The instructions to "hate your masters," thatis, Shem and Japheth and their descendants, is a command to commit genocide against the people of Shem. For this reason, all subsequent Canaanite rites are based upon theseexhortations to struggle and commit acts of violence against the people of Shem. It is not onlythe basis for all of the revolutions and "liberation movements" since that time, it is also a basicincitement to commit genocide and to carryon racial wars. Because of the three-thousand-year historical blackout, the people of Shem have never understood their peril, and they havefrequently been subject to massacre because their essential goodness made it impossible for them to believe the vileness of the Canaanites. The Will of Canaan has always been concealedfrom them because it is the basic program of conspiracy and secret rites which enable the Canaanites to wreak their hatred upon the descendants of Shem.' [See:
    Eustace Mullins, Curse of Canaan p.16 - http://www.scribd.com/doc/43083011/E...urse-of-Canaan].

    Ron: Hatonn has mentioned that white men are descendants of Shem.
    ************

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  86. #46
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    Re: Adolf Hitler - The Truth

    Is it worth investing time and energy to talk about Hitler? I think they've existed and exist today people really valuable and true examples of righteous living that inspire people to follow suit. Of them talk, but not Hitler.
    Hano, respectfully, what exactly are you looking for with this thread?

  87. #47
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    Re: Adolf Hitler - The Truth

    Quote Originally Posted by Luis Alberto View Post
    Is it worth investing time and energy to talk about Hitler? I think they've existed and exist today people really valuable and true examples of righteous living that inspire people to follow suit. Of them talk, but not Hitler.
    Hano, respectfully, what exactly are you looking for with this thread?
    Simple to spread the truth because truth isnt find neither in the academic books nor in the his story curse you had taken in school.I want to ask you to think about who owns all the publications houses in the world and who is printing the schools books and making the school programms.
    Those of you wo are iritated by this thread and refuse to read to or even to aknowledge it must ask themselves how you would react when it would come out that most of the his story you were taught at schools is mostly lies with less 2 Teaspoon of truth in it ?.
    Its not just about the 20 th century history but you only need to go to the antiquy and see that the list of contradiction is endless.

    Take only the Pyramid: the great pyramid is build by Cheops that what the official current of history is telling.
    Truth is that Cheops was the one that did restore the temple that was build near the pyramid but no the pyramid itself. That is was is being read form a heiroglyph tablet about the temple.
    But since that´s the only name that those lazy egypologist can pine then it did become the Pyramid of Cheops.

    Ps: about my question: the name begin with a J

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    Dear Hano,

    thank you very much for posting this thread here and in TIU.
    I have some personal experiences about this time and a lot of stories told by my father, a war volunteer and later medical officer (Stabsarzt) in the Wehrmacht. And stories from my family.
    The fact that you and also Ron try to give Hitler the right place where he needs to be in history is a great undertaking. Until now he was made the worst of all men in history, the biggest criminal, killer and the origin of´the holocoast.
    But to gloryfy him is not correct too. Never there is only dark and white in a single being. There are also a lot of grey tones between.
    Hitler was indeed a visionary. His plans what he wrote down during his incarceration in the „Festung of Landsberg“ were mostly fulfilled later and those were plans of a real socialism full with humanistec ideas.
    The name socialist was right in the name of his party „National Sozialistische Deutsche Arbeiter Partei“. They really worked for the labourors.
    Hitler came to power by free and democratic elections. A majority of german voters voted for his party, the NSDAP
    I must quote the most famous good deeds: The abolition of unemployment by letting people work for the society and the state pays the wages. It was not only the „Autobahns“ but also other social imortant works,.
    The honouring of family especially mothers, a whole education system, holidays for the poor ones „KdF“, with a lot of big ships and huge hostels. He liberated the „Saar“ occupied by France for its wealth in coal and with the marching in of german troups ended the separation of the „Ruhr“ from Germany. He stopped the“Reparation tributes“ imposed on Germany (like in old history). The looser of WWI had to pay huge sums. The present government continued to pay the tribute from the Versailles dictation until 2010. And a lot of other good achievements. The whole „Volk“ (people) was organized in the „Bewegung“ (movement), all sectors of life, art, science, medicine etc. All young people belonged either to the HJ (Hitlerjugend for boys, fort he very young ones the „Pimpfs“) or to the BDM (Bund Deutscher Mädchen) All young peole loved this, it was exciting, with excursions (like the boy scouts) sitting at the fire, roasting meat and singing. For girls this was the same but they were also introduced to traditional roles of women. By the years the whole poulation of Germany was convinced that the „Führer“ (leader) was the solution for Germany. Germany became strong, respected by all nations and Germany was popular especially in the USA. And Germany became richer and richer, without any debts to banks.
    This was shown by the olympic games in 1936 where most nations greeted Hitler with the german greeting.
    But Germany was a dictatorship with a lot of control and a „climate“ of denounciation. The ones to suffer from were the communists and the small number of socialists. Everywhere was the NASDAP party, everything was controlled. Each small group of houses had a „Blockwart“ to control and to tell the Gestapo what was on within those people. The Gestapo was also everywhere. When somebody rang at your door in the night it was the Gestapo.
    On the black side was the building of Concentration camps from the beginning (KZ) first for criminals and communists, later also for socialists. Instead of letting them sit in a prison they had to work. (like in Russia today, they have still the bolchevik working camps in Siberia) The KZ were working camps, no extermination camps!!!! And the time to stay there was limited (not for those with great crimes). But than came more and more the gypsys (today called Sinti and Roma) They had to stay until the end oft he war. Many died from diseases (mostly Cholera) and at the end of the war from starving. The allies destroyed the food supply by air attacks.
    Than the Euthanasie Programm: Killing all worthless life in the mental asylums (by injections) Like in the KZ, where there were doctors for experiments with the detainees, in the asylums were special doctors to give those injections. This was a law! So it was legal to kill this unworthy life. This made a lot of „bekennende Christen“, mostly protestant pastors to severe ennemies against the NSDAP and those finished also their days in the KZ.
    Through all his success the consent of people increased by the years. And in 1936 and 1937 it remained only a small minority of people against him. Until 1939, the beginning of the war, Germany helped the Jews to emigrate. Germany even payed for this. The problem was that few nations of this world wanted to accept jews. Germany gave even ships for the transport. The systematic collecting of jews began in the middle of the war when Germny was severely attacked. Than were built more and more KZ, everywhere, mostly combined with industry, They were working camps!! No extermination camps.
    The so called final solution of the jewish question the „Endlösung“ about what everybody talks now was not the elimination but the transport back to their origin. It was well known that they were no semitic race but Khazars from southern Russia and Ukraine. In the mean time they had to work.
    In Germany reigned a dictatorship with a lot of denunciation and emprisonment. But not so strong like in soviet system or later in eastern Germany.
    An uncle of me, a fervent socialist, lord mayor of a big town in south west Germany, was impeached in 1933 and a nationalsocialist Lord mayor was put in place. He always shouted against the „Nazis“. In 1939 he accused Goering at court (I do not know for what) but nothing happened to him. Just to show, the liberty of expression was not completely shut down
    During the war things changed a lot, liberties were reduced. One had to pay attention what one could say.
    From the Nr of 3 million jews before the war in all german occupied countries, about 1,4 million could escape and emigrate, some even during the first months of the war. (This to the Nr of 6 millions!!).
    290 000 died in KZ, mostly by diseases but at the end of the war also by starvation. There was no food for the inhabitans of the KZ. Exact Nrs were given by Haton in one of the PJ, also in the documents of the red cross in Geneva who had free access during the whole war to all KZ and the detailed Nrs with all names are in Moscow. Soviets took at the end of the war all documents of the „Reichsicherheitshauptamt“ where every case, capture, travel and eventual death was marked. Germans are very exact people.
    The german occupation in the west and the smaller countries was correct. Nobody can really complain. The normal soldiers were at the front for fighting or in hospitals. The administration backwards was done by police unities, in the same uniforms and by the SD (Sicherheitsdienst). Those were the groups to create difficulties by harming the civilian population in Soviet Union. They took the Jews and even killed some immediately. So all those dark stories about german soldiers were not done by those. In the fighting army all bad behavior was immediately punished; raping by immediate shooting. My father spoke about executions like this. Officers payed much attention to the good behavior of their soldiers, but were aware of the massacres behind, especially when partisans were captured. There was an increasing partisan warfare. When captured they were hung.
    Hitler made enormous mistakes as strategist. His first mistake was the stop for the german tanks in France before Dunquerque where the whole expedition corps of british, australian and canadian troops was encircled, about 300 000 men. He let them escape, stopped the tanks of Guderian. He thought that this gesture would incline Churchill to make a peace treaty.
    The biggest mistake was Stalingrad. There were several possibilities to evacuate the 6th army, the best one. A breakout from inside and a simultaneous attack of a big waiting army from the west. At that time the russian circle was weak in the west and easy to break. Hitler refused, his 6th army had to stay and fight till the end. 600 000 dead soldiers(including the 90 000 prisoners from whom only 5 000 returned, completely broken and ill) My father was injured in Stalingrad and as medical officer was transported outside by a bombing plane. He had a quite good overview about the situation in the couldron of Stalingrad.
    The fact of invading Norway and Demark was to inhibit the british to go there. There were already british troops in Narvik and the supply with steel from Sweden (this went by the port of Narvik) was a question of life and death for Germany. The same was with Holland there was a british invason intended. Belgium was necessary for invading France ( Like in WWI). Greece was already with british troups. Albany and Yougoslavia was the help for Italy who did not manage to dominate these countries. Stalin planned an attack to Germany in spring 1942. When Hitler learned about he began to plan the attack on the Soviet Union. But it was a bit too late in the year, the plan „Barbarossa“began only in september and than came the horrible winter and the mud in Russia. The german troups stuck in the mood and they were not equipped for this cold winter. Often the soldiers had to take the furred mantles of dead russians. This enormous effort during the winter 41/42 was worth a special medal for all soldiers who fought there. „Winterschlacht im Osten“ My father had one also the iron cross 1st class.
    Hitler never allowed a different opinion during war times. It happened often that he changed high generals and also field marshalls when those did not agree with him. Finally nobody dared to contradict him
    It seems right that he changed during the war, he became brutal and selfopinionated and did not allow any objection. He considered himself the „Gröfaz“ Größter Führer aller Zeiten = biggest leader of all times. His military decisions during the years 44 ans 45 were often strange even mad and he did not see reality. Maybe he was already changed or had at least an implant.
    At any case he left Germany 45 by a U Boat from Norway, went to Neu Schwabenland, the antarctic base and two years later to his friend Peron to Argentina.
    By the way Hitler was probably a Rothschild: His grandmother worked as servant in the household of the Rothschilds in Vienna and when she became pregnant, they threw her out. She gave birth to Hitler’s mother. Her name was Schicklgruber, so the very young Hitler was also called Schicklgruber. She married later a certain Hitler who gave his name to the boy and adopted him. The official version of Hitler’s family and ancesters were so often changed and corrected until Hitler agreed. And all other documents were destroyed.
    I took profit of the elimination of the mental ill ones. These hopitals were empty, all outside the cities and so not destroyed. All births of the years 44 and 45 of my city of Stuttgart, south west Germany, (with a destruction of 70% of all buildings), were birthed in this mental asylum. It is somehow funny when I can say I am born in a mental asylum.
    The food supply during the war was until the end correct. After the war it was horrible. The allies did not mange – or did not want - to feed the german population. Many were forced to go out in the country to farmers where they gave all what they had just for surviving.
    There were more than 14 millions of refugies from the eastern regions of Germany (now polnish or russian), later another 6 million from all countries where there was a german minority in south east Europe. In Czechia the german population of the Sudetenland what became german in 1938 by official treaty signed by Chamberlain and Daladier. These were the frontier regions populated by 3 million of germans. The czech poulation – not the soviet soldiers!! – lynched 1 million of them, by a real orgy of slaughtering where everybody participated in 1945 and threw out two million. Later by the so called „Benesh“ decrees officially justified (Benesh was the first communist president of Czechoslovakia).
    Among the refugies from the eastern parts of Germany there was NO woman or girl who was not raped and most women in the soviet occupation zone were raped too. It was common knowledge that most german women and girls were raped in1945!! They were ashamed and did not talk about. And all took part in this, except british soldiers. Americans could do what they wanted, there was nobody to receive the complaint. Stuttgart was first occupied by french colonial troops (black ones and northern africans). They stole everything, pillaged all houses and raped of course! Freudenstadt, a small town in the black forest was decreed „free town“ for 10 days. All soldiers were allowed to rape, plunder and destroy with official french permission. I had family in Freudenstadt. Some women and girls were raped during ten days constantly. You may imagine there everything french was not at all appreciated
    The whole german population was forced to go through a reeducation programm. Everybody was guilty!! There were comissions to judge about, mostly jews. Some were less guilty, some more and some heavy guilty. They came into prison. No proces of course, just the right oft he winner.
    We were forced in school to call the allies our „liberators“.
    Systematically this reeducation programms together with all this false teaching about the horrific germans destroyed the german soul. It is still today impossible to speak about „Volk“ (the people), or homeland, „Vaterland“ All german history is dark and bad. If you use these words you are a Nazi. And the main guilt is the holocoast. This guilt is hammered in each german brain day for day until today by every media and every school.
    The liberators took all what they could get. All industry, called „demontage“ until the smallest screw. And the soviets took all remaining german men and women in south east Europe to Siberia in working camps. A former cleaning lady of me told me details about. She came from Rumania. Americans and especally Soviets stole all sorts of art from our museums. Thousands of famous paintings disppeared in America in private houses and in Russia these cultural wealths are still in their posesion. A lot is shown in russian museums as russian goods. Putin refuses to give back this german property (several hundred thousands of culture goods) – like did the british - . He claims that this ist he right of the winner to keep this.
    The first time I was in England in 1958 I had to hide that I was german. Sometimes I heard: Although you are german you are a quite nice guy. Till today in the Netherlands young people say the do not like germans because of their guilt. And this is their closest neighbour!
    This „reeducation“ transformed all germans in guilty slaves and puppets of Americans and British = Talmudists.
    The german soul is successfully destroyed and enslaved. When you speak now about Germany today this means just the shadow of what Germany really is.
    And all this is a consequence of Hitler and his time?? He was not visionary enough to forsee these consequences for his people.
    At any case it was already in the 19th century the goal of the Talmudists to destroy Germany and Russia.
    I hope for the announcement period to give back at least a part of german identity and soul. That humanity may learn that germans are normal people, not guilty!
    I take this occasion to thank our dear Ron for having published a lot of truth about german history and about the lies told.
    With L&L
    Bernd
    Sorry for my mistakes and my english. It was not time enough to work with a dictionary

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luis Alberto View Post
    Is it worth investing time and energy to talk about Hitler? I think they've existed and exist today people really valuable and true examples of righteous living that inspire people to follow suit. Of them talk, but not Hitler.
    Hano, respectfully, what exactly are you looking for with this thread?
    Yes, I do think it is important to invest time and effort to counter the mainstream "history" myths and lies about Germany, Hitler and the Nazis. It's not about who is inspirational or not inspirational to follow. The truth must be told and the scales of knowledge rebalanced. That alone is a worthy effort.

    Also just want to add that it is also an effort to clear the name of an entire nation of peoples of something they are accused of doing (starting the war, genociding a population- the Jewish" Holocaust" myth) and restoring one of their greatest statesmen,faults and all, to his proper place of respect in history along with people like Muammar Ghadaffi and Hugo Chavez.

    Hano
    Last edited by Hano; 07-23-2013 at 06:37 PM.
    The Dark of the Long Night shall give way to the Light of the Eternal Day and HUman shall eternally be the Keeper of the Light as the Heart of the One

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    Hitler is past, over and we should go forward to new horizons.
    But I wish that during the announcement period the destroyed, nearly annihilated, german soul and the remaining people, completely brainwashed, who have been plundered, pillaged, raped, humiliated in all senses going on till today, a never ever stopping disqualification, that Germany will be again respected, treated like normal people and rehabilitated. That the world may learn about the real truth and the horrific events what were done to germans.
    May this be the beg to CM and the SOURCE OF ALL WHAT IS.
    With L&L
    Bernd.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bernd View Post
    Hitler is past, over and we should go forward to new horizons.
    But I wish that during the announcement period the destroyed, nearly annihilated, german soul and the remaining people, completely brainwashed, who have been plundered, pillaged, raped, humiliated in all senses going on till today, a never ever stopping disqualification, that Germany will be again respected, treated like normal people and rehabilitated. That the world may learn about the real truth and the horrific events what were done to germans.
    May this be the beg to CM and the SOURCE OF ALL WHAT IS.
    With L&L
    Bernd.
    Thank you Bernd I feel the same wish deep inside about the rehabilitation of the German people. Therefore I value Hano's and Ron's informations very much.
    Yes, the "Hitlerzeit" (time of Hitler) is past, but the repercussions of blaming and subduing is going on.

    This is an example:
    "Late but never too late" is the slogan of a new campaign in german cities, where the police tries to catch concentration camp guards or other helpers of Hitler's fascist system. They publish posters with names on it in public places in Berlin, Hamburg and Cologne. These men are meanwhile all around at least 85 years old, most of them older. People who report them get 25 000 Euro for !!! (Where does the money come from and to whom serves this whole procedure?)
    The campaign is calling for justice for the holocausts victims, that these atrocities are never forgotten!
    They expect to round up 60 to 80 men.

    Lately there has been a lot of "news" in the german news about this time and the holocaust
    There are also a many, many people who have past lives during that time for whom it becomes much easier to understand the events and their role in it. They including me and many others will be very grateful to be relieved of the "Kollektivchuld" collective guilt.

    Blessings
    Jaya

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    Quote Originally Posted by SunRise View Post
    Thank you Bernd I feel the same wish deep inside about the rehabilitation of the German people. Therefore I value Hano's and Ron's informations very much.
    Yes, the "Hitlerzeit" (time of Hitler) is past, but the repercussions of blaming and subduing is going on.

    This is an example:
    "Late but never too late" is the slogan of a new campaign in german cities, where the police tries to catch concentration camp guards or other helpers of Hitler's fascist system. They publish posters with names on it in public places in Berlin, Hamburg and Cologne. These men are meanwhile all around at least 85 years old, most of them older. People who report them get 25 000 Euro for !!! (Where does the money come from and to whom serves this whole procedure?)
    The campaign is calling for justice for the holocausts victims, that these atrocities are never forgotten!
    They expect to round up 60 to 80 men.

    Lately there has been a lot of "news" in the german news about this time and the holocaust
    There are also a many, many people who have past lives during that time for whom it becomes much easier to understand the events and their role in it. They including me and many others will be very grateful to be relieved of the "Kollektivchuld" collective guilt.

    Blessings
    Jaya
    This is the effect because after Pisa the press discovered that the young people were warry of the Holocaust myth, so to ensure that its never forgotten and drum in the brain for the next centuries to past you got those kind of witchhunting.
    Personally i found it mad: the whole Europe and mostly Germany was destroyed because of those 2 World Wars and the ones who benefit form those are always the same cupid. The reason why the Holocaust must be reexamine and retold is to make the thing that were wrong form the beginning.
    Until then the guilt of the WW would be continued into the next millenia and after this there wouldnt be any germans people living down there since it would be made into an islamic country due to our turkish cohabitor that loved to get the social help provide there.

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    Those who - as a I feel it - are moreless against this thread that Hano startet in a deserving manner, did they read a bit of the material Ron publishes in the AHI mainpage? Did they take notice about all the horror perpetratet under the command of the big banksters during only the last decades? Or may be even protest against?

    This thread isn't for to transform something white in something black and reverse. But to show that Hitler was not the only bad boy in this story and not the worsest as well - although of course, he wasn't an angel.

    Facts never to forget: It was the jews who declared war against Germany in 1933, and not the contrary!!!

    Since almost the 19th century one can find jewish comments stating Germany should be destroyed. Why, I don't know. Before the end of the 19th century, the zionists published a map of Europe with the Oder - Neisse border installed after 2WW.

    Curtis P. Dall, in his book "FDR, my Exploited Father-In-Law" quoted Roosevelt in saying in 1933: [B]"Germany, we must push it in a new war."

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    http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar...ler/putsch.htm
    This incident is a background to the following speech and was the reason he was imprisoned in Landsberg - Hano

    Beer Hall Putsch

    A series of financial events unfolded in the years 1921 through 1923 that would propel the Nazis to new heights of daring and would even prompt Hitler into attempting to take over Germany.

    In April of 1921, the victorious European Allies of World War I, notably France and Britain, presented a bill to Germany demanding payment for damages caused in the war which Germany had started. This bill (33 billion dollars) for war reparations had the immediate effect of causing ruinous inflation in Germany.

    The German currency, the mark, slipped drastically in value. It had been four marks to the U.S. dollar until the war reparations were announced. Then it became 75 to the dollar and in 1922 sank to 400 to the dollar. The German government asked for a postponement of payments. The French refused. The Germans defied them by defaulting on their payments. In response to this, in January 1923, the French Army occupied the industrial part of Germany known as the Ruhr.

    The German mark fell to 18,000 to the dollar. By July 1923, it sank to 160,000. By August, 1,000,000. And by November 1923, it took 4,000,000,000 marks to obtain a dollar.

    Germans lost their life savings. Salaries were paid in worthless money. Groceries cost billions. Hunger riots broke out.

    For the moment, the people stood by their government, admiring its defiance of the French. But in September of 1923, the German government made the fateful decision to resume making payments. Bitter resentment and unrest swelled among the people, inciting extremist political groups to action and quickly bringing Germany to the brink of chaos.

    The Nazis and other similar groups now felt the time was right to strike. The German state of Bavaria where the Nazis were based was a hotbed of groups opposed to the democratic government in Berlin. By now, November 1923, the Nazis, with 55,000 followers, were the biggest and best organized. With Nazi members demanding action, Hitler knew he had to act or risk losing the leadership of his Party.

    And so Hitler and the Nazis hatched a plot in which they would kidnap the leaders of the Bavarian government and force them at gunpoint to accept Hitler as their leader. Then, according to their plan, with the aid of famous World War I General, Erich Ludendorff, they would win over the German Army, proclaim a nationwide revolt and bring down the German democratic government in Berlin.

    They put this plan into action when they learned there was going to be a large gathering of businessmen in a Munich beer hall and the guests of honor were scheduled to be the Bavarian leaders they now wanted to kidnap.

    On November 8, 1923, Nazi troops under the direction of Hermann Göring surrounded the place. At 8:30 p.m., Hitler and his storm troopers burst into the beer hall causing instant panic.

    Hitler fired a pistol shot into the ceiling. "Silence!" he yelled at the stunned crowd.

    Hitler and Göring forced their way to the podium as armed storm troops continued to file into the hall. State Commissioner Gustav von Kahr, whose speech had been interrupted by all this, yielded the podium to Hitler.

    "The National Revolution has begun!" Hitler shouted. "No one may leave the hall. Unless there is immediate quiet I shall have a machine gun posted in the gallery. The Bavarian and Reich governments have been removed and a provisional national government formed. The barracks of the Reichswehr and police are occupied. The Army and the police are marching on the city under the swastika banner!"

    None of that was true, but those in the beer hall could not know otherwise.

    Hitler then ordered the three highest officials of the Bavarian government into a back room. State Commissioner Kahr, along with the head of the state police, Colonel Hans von Seisser, and commander of the German Army in Bavaria, General Otto von Lossow, did as they were told and went into the room where Hitler informed them they were to join him in proclaiming a Nazi revolution and would become part of the new government.

    But to Hitler's great surprise, his three captives simply glared at him and at first even refused to talk to him. Hitler responded by waving his pistol at them, yelling: "I have four shots in my pistol! Three for you, gentlemen. The last bullet for myself!"

    However, the revolution in the back room continued to go poorly for Hitler. Then, on a sudden impulse, Hitler dashed out of the room and went back out to the podium and shouted: "The government of the November criminals and the Reich President are declared to be removed. A new national government will be named this very day in Munich. A new German National Army will be formed immediately...The task of the provisional German National Government is to organize the march on that sinful Babel, Berlin, and save the German people! Tomorrow will find either a National Government in Germany or us dead!"

    This led everyone in the beer hall to believe the men in the back room had given in to Hitler and were joining with the Nazis. There was now wild cheering for Hitler.

    General Ludendorff then arrived. Hitler knew the three government leaders still in the back room would actually listen to him.

    At Hitler's urging, Ludendorff spoke to the men in the back room and advised them to go along with the Nazi revolution. They reluctantly agreed, then went out to the podium and faced the crowd, showing their support for Hitler and pledging loyalty to the new regime.

    An emotional Hitler spoke to the crowd: "I am going to fulfill the vow I made to myself five years ago when I was a blind cripple in the military hospital – to know neither rest nor peace until the November criminals had been overthrown, until on the ruins of the wretched Germany of today there should have arisen once more a Germany of power and greatness, of freedom and splendor."

    The crowd in the beer hall roared their approval and sang "Deutschland Über Alles." Hitler was euphoric. This was turning into a night of triumph for him. Tomorrow he might actually be the new leader of Germany.

    But then word came that attempts to take over several Army barracks had failed and that German soldiers inside those barracks were holding out against the Nazi storm troopers. Hitler decided to leave the beer hall and go to the scene to personally resolve the problem.


    During the Putsch, Hitler's storm troopers are seen with socialist politicians they have arrested in Munich.

    Below: Chaotic scene at the Marienplatz as Nazi storm troopers arrive amid onlookers.


    Below: Bewildered citizens linger at the Odeonplatz following the failure of the Putsch.


    Leaving the beer hall was a fateful error. In his absence the Nazi revolution quickly began to unravel. The three Bavarian government leaders, Kahr, Lossow, and Seisser, slipped out of the beer hall after falsely promising Ludendorff they would remain loyal to Hitler.

    Meanwhile, Hitler had no luck in getting the German soldiers who were holding out in the barracks to surrender. Having failed at that, he went back to the beer hall.

    When he arrived back at the beer hall he was aghast to find his revolution fizzling. There were no plans for tomorrow's march on Berlin. Munich wasn't even being occupied. Nothing was happening. In fact, only one building, Army headquarters at the War Ministry had been occupied by Ernst Röhm and his troopers.

    Elsewhere, rogue bands of Nazi thugs roamed the city of Munich rounding up some political opponents and harassing Jews.[I cannot confirm this statement and believe it may be a lie-Hano]

    In the early morning hours of November 9th, State Commissioner Kahr broke his promise to Hitler and Ludendorff and issued a statement blasting Hitler: "Declarations extorted from me, General Lossow and Colonel von Seisser by pistol point are null and void. Had the senseless and purposeless attempt at revolt succeeded, Germany would have been plunged into the abyss and Bavaria with it."

    Kahr also ordered the breakup of the Nazi Party and its fighting forces.

    General Lossow also abandoned Hitler and ordered German Army reinforcements into Munich to put down the Nazi Putsch. Troops were rushed in and by dawn the War Ministry building containing Röhm and his troops was surrounded.

    Hitler was up all night frantically trying to decide what to do. General Ludendorff then gave him an idea. The Nazis would simply march into the middle of Munich and take it over. Because of his World War I fame, Ludendorff reasoned, no one would dare fire on him. He even assured Hitler the police and the Army would likely join them. The now-desperate Hitler went for the idea.

    Around 11 a.m. on the morning of November 9th, a column of three thousand Nazis, led by Hitler, Göring and Ludendorff marched toward the center of Munich. Carrying one of the flags was a young party member named Heinrich Himmler.

    After reaching the center of Munich, the Nazis headed toward the War Ministry building but they encountered a police blockade. As they stood face to face with about a hundred armed policemen, Hitler yelled out to them to surrender. They didn't. Shots rang out. Both sides fired. It lasted about a minute. Sixteen Nazis and three police were killed. Göring was hit in the groin. Hitler suffered a dislocated shoulder when the man he had locked arms with was shot and pulled him down onto the pavement.

    Hitler's bodyguard, Ulrich Graf, jumped onto Hitler to shield him and took several bullets, probably saving Hitler's life. Hitler then crawled along the sidewalk out of the line of fire and scooted away into a waiting car, leaving his comrades behind. The rest of the Nazis scattered or were arrested. Ludendorff, true to his heroic form, walked right through the line of fire to the police and was then arrested.

    Hitler wound up at the home his friends, the Hanfstaengls, where he was reportedly talked out of suicide. He had become deeply despondent and expected to be shot by the authorities. He spent two nights hiding in the Hanfstaengl's attic. On the third night, police arrived and arrested him. He was taken to the prison at Landsberg where his spirits lifted somewhat after he was told he was going to get a public trial.

    With the collapse of the Nazi revolution, it now appeared to most observers that Hitler's political career and the Nazi movement itself had come to a crashing, almost laughable end.
    [END ARTICLE]


    This speech was given by Hitler on 26 February 1924 before the Munich court after he was arrested in the 'Beer Hall Putsch' incident of 1923 when he tried to commit a coup-de-tat and violently overthrow the Weimar government. The attempt was a failure and he was charged with high treason and sentenced to 5 years in Landsberg prison where he only served about 8 months in relative comfort. This was also the time he wrote 'Mein Kampf' detailing his philosophy and vision for Germany. - Hano

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    http://www.hitler.org/speeches/02-26-24.html
    BEFORE THE MUNICH COURT
    SPEECH OF FEBRUARY 26, 1924

    IT SEEMS strange to me that a man who, as a soldier, was for six years accustomed to blind obedience, should suddenly come into conflict with the State and its Constitution. The reasons for this stem from the days of my youth. When I was seventeen I came to Vienna, and there I learned to study and observe three important problems: the social question, the race problem, and, finally, the Marxist movement. I left Vienna a confirmed anti-Semite, a deadly foe of the whole Marxist world outlook, and pan-German in my political principles. And since I knew that the German destiny of German-Austria would not be fought out in the Austrian Army alone, but in the German and Austrian Army, I enlisted in the German Army....

    When, on November 7, [1918] it was announced that the Revolution had broken out in Munich, I at first could not believe it. At that time there arose in me the determination to devote myself to politics. I went through the period of the Soviets, and as a result of my opposition to them I came in contact with the National Socialist German Workers Movement, which at that time numbered six members. I was the seventh. I attached myself to this party, and not to one of the great political parties where my prospects would have been better, because none of the other parties understood or even recognized the decisive, fundamental problem.

    By Marxism I understand a doctrine which in principle rejects the idea of the worth of personality, which replaces individual energy by the masses and thereby works the destruction of our whole cultural life. This movement has utilized monstrously effective methods and exercised tremendous influence on the masses, which in the course of three or four decades could have no other result than that the individual has become his own brother's foe, while at the same time calling a Frenchman, an Englishman, or a Zulu his brother. This movement is distinguished by incredible terror, which is based on a knowledge of mass psychology....

    The German Revolution is a revolution, and therefore successful high treason; it is well known that such treason is never punished....

    For us it was a filthy crime against the German people, a stab in the back of the German nation. The middle class could not take up arms against it because the middle class did not understand the whole revolution. It was necessary to start a new struggle and to incite against the Marxist despoilers of the people who did not even belong to the German race - which is where the Marxist problem is linked with the race problem, forming one of the most difficult and profound questions of our time....

    Personally, at the beginning I held a lost position. Nevertheless, in the course of a few years there has grown from a little band of six men a movement which today embraces millions and which, above all, has once made the broad masses nationalistic....

    In 1923 came the great and bitter scandal. As early as 1922 we had seen that the Ruhr was about to be lost. France's aim was not merely to weaken Germany, to keep her from obtaining supremacy, but to break her up into small states so that she [France] would be able to hold the Rhine frontier. After all the Government's reiterations of our weakness, we knew that on top of the Saar and Upper Silesia we would lose our third coal region, the Ruhr; each loss brought on the next one....

    Only burning, ruthless, brutal fanaticism could have saved the situation. The Reich Government should have let the hundreds of thousands of young men who were pouring out of the Ruhr into the Reich under the old colors of black-white-red flow together in a mighty national wave. Instead, these young people were sent back home. The resistance that was organized was for wages; the national resistance was degraded to a paid general strike. It was forgotten that a foe like France cannot be prayed away, still less can he be idled away....

    Our youth has - and may this be heard in Paris - but one thought: that the day may come when we shall again be free. .. . . My attitude is this: I would rather that Germany go Bolshevist and I be hanged than that she should be destroyed by the French rule of the sword.... It turned out that the back-stabbers were stronger than ever.... With pride I admit that our men were the only ones to really resist in the Ruhr. We intended to hold fourteen meetings and introduce a propaganda campaign throughout Germany with the slogan: DOWN WITH THE RUHR TRAITORS!, But we were surprised by the banning of these mass meetings. I had met Herr von Kahr in 1920. Kahr had impressed me as being an honest official. I asked him why the fourteen mass meetings had been banned. The reason he gave me simply would not hold water. THE REAL REASON WAS SOMETHING THAT COULD NOT BE REVEALED. . - -

    From the very first day the watchword was: UNLIMITED STRUGGLE AGAINST BERLIN....

    The struggle against Berlin, as Dr. von Kahr would lead it, is a crime; one must have the courage to be logical and see that the struggle must be incorporated in the German national uprising. I said that all that had been made of this struggle was a Bavarian rejection of Berlin's requests. But the people expected something other than a reduction in the price of beer, regulation of the price of milk and confiscation of butter tubs and other such impossible economic proposals - proposals which make you want to ask: who is the genius that is advising them? Every failure could only further enrage the masses, and I pointed out that while the people were now only laughing at Kahr's measures, later on they would rise up against them. I said: 'Either you finish the job - and there is only the political and military struggle left. When you cross the Rubicon, you must march on Rome. Or else you do not want to struggle; then only capitulation is left....'

    The struggle had to turn toward the North; it could not be led by a purely Bavarian organization . . . I said: 'The only man to head it is Ludendorff.'

    I had first seen Ludendorff in 1918, in the field. In 1920 I first spoke personally with him. I saw that he was not only the outstanding general, but that he had now learned the lesson and understood what had brought the German nation to ruin. That Ludendorff was talked down by the others was one more reason for me to come closer to him. I therefore proposed Ludendorff, and Lossow and Seisser had no objections.

    I further explained to Lossow that right now nothing could be accomplished by petty economic measures. The fight was against Marxism. To solve this problem, not administrators were needed but firebrands who would be in a position to inflame the national spirit to the extreme. Kahr could not do that, I pointed out; the youth were not behind him. I declared that I could join them only on the condition that the political struggle was put into my hands alone. This was not impudence or immodesty; I believe that when a man knows he can do a job, he must not be modest....

    One thing was certain: Lossow, Kahr, and Seisser had the same goal that we had: to get rid of the Reich Government with its present international and parliamentary position, and to replace it by an anti-parliamentary government. If our undertaking was actually high treason, then during this whole period Lossow, Seisser, and Kahr must have been committing high treason along with us - for during all those months we talked of nothing but the aims of which we now stand accused....

    How could we have called for a new government if we had not known that the gentlemen in power were altogether on our side? How else could we, two days before, have given such orders as: at 8:30 o'clock such and such a government will be proclaimed....

    Lossow talked of a coup d'etat. Kahr quite openly declared that he would give the word to strike. The only possible interpretation of this talk is that these men wanted to strike, but each time lost their nerve. Our last conversation, on November 6, was for me the absolute confirmation of my belief that these men wanted to, but - !....
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    Balance, the two faces of the coin.

    Thank you Jxxxxx


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    "We have been correcting this scenario over the last 2000 years. Karma is not necessarily an eye for and eye at all. Some folks took great offense to my statement in Conversations with God, through Neale Donald Walsch, that Hitler went to heaven. There is not hell fire as taught, as you all well know. The closest concept to hell fire is eternally living in the lower astral realms of Earth. Which many have, they did not rise up at all, sometimes after thousands of life times, and thus the lower realms grew in abundance also. Not exactly the abundance of God. And to Hitler, what happened to him? He was placed in confinement and has faced the courts of Monjoronson. He will face uncreation shortly. There was no remorse. With remorse, he could have created a plan whereby he corrected his wrongs, by right doing."

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    Ilia Ehrenburg (the name shows who he is) the second important man behind Stalin gave an order to soviet soldiers end of 1944 when red troops approached german frontiers: You have to rape every german girl and woman. This is an order. They have to be punished. They are less than beast.
    Itzhak Rabin in front of his soldiers in Lebanon: It is your right to use these palestinian women, they have to serve you. They are less than beast.
    Talmud: These Goyim have to serve you. They are less than beast
    There is one red line throughout history about the cancer of humanity. Hitler was visionary enough to realize this truth. And this side of Hitler remains in spite of all his dark deeds later.
    May humanity be healed from this cancer soon.
    This is my beg to our "boss"
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  107. #57
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    Quote Originally Posted by Altea1 View Post
    Balance, the two faces of the coin.

    Thank you Jxxxxx


    http://abundanthope.net/pages/Candac...Below_93.shtml

    "We have been correcting this scenario over the last 2000 years. Karma is not necessarily an eye for and eye at all. Some folks took great offense to my statement in Conversations with God, through Neale Donald Walsch, that Hitler went to heaven. There is not hell fire as taught, as you all well know. The closest concept to hell fire is eternally living in the lower astral realms of Earth. Which many have, they did not rise up at all, sometimes after thousands of life times, and thus the lower realms grew in abundance also. Not exactly the abundance of God. And to Hitler, what happened to him? He was placed in confinement and has faced the courts of Monjoronson. He will face uncreation shortly. There was no remorse. With remorse, he could have created a plan whereby he corrected his wrongs, by right doing."
    Hitler was not a saint in any way and I do well agree that he did not always do the nicest thing or made the best choices but being so bad as to deserve uncreation!? What did he do that was so bad?

    Did his orders start the war?NO
    Did his orders "Holocaust" a people (the Jews) NO!
    Did his orders cause a whole country's cities to be bombed to ashes killing only God knows how many innocents? NO!
    Did his orders cause the bombing of supply lines and thus cutting off food and medicine to the people in the camps causing them to die of starvation and disease?NO.
    Did he order his soldiers to execute all their prisoners of war in cold blood and then blame the Allies?NO
    Was Hitler completely unscrupulous and powermad?NO
    Is the Nazi legacy perpetuating a continuous blood libel against a people that don't deserve it?NO
    Are the Nazis holocausting people worldwide today?NO

    Did the orders of Churchill start the war?YES
    Did Hitler try to save his enemy (the Jews) by giving them a chance to emigrate? YES.
    Did Hitler try to save his enemy (the Jews) by transporting them to camps for their own safety because he knew the Allies would bomb the cities to ashes?YES.
    Did he provide for them in the camps making sure they had enough food to eat?YES.
    Did he remove any commanders or soldiers that committed atrocities which came to his attention?YES.
    Was Churchill and Roosevelt completely unscrupulous and powermad?YES
    Is the Allied legacy perpetuating a continuous blood libel against a people that don't deserve it?YES.
    Are the Jews Holocausting people all over the world today?YES

    If anybody should go to uncreation it should be Churchill and Roosevelt but where are they? Did they go through Monjoronson's courts? Do they still exist?

    Why would Hitler choose uncreation? What was he not remorseless about? Trying to save the world from a scourge that is worse than a thousand black plagues all combined? Who caused more death? Hitler or Churchill and Roosevelt?

    I have never believed this message, it has never sounded right to me and I never liked it, even before I knew a damn thing I knew this can't be right! If it is true then what is the point of trying to tell the truth? What is the point of fighting the monstrous lies being perpetuated against a people that don't deserve it? Then I can just pack it in right now and tell the FKN Khazars. You won!

    But will I do this? Can I do this? NO!
    This is not about trying to repair Hitler's reputation if this be true but trying to salvage the dignity of a nation, of a people! It's about trying to remove an undeserved burden of guilt needlessly being laid on generations of innocents by a merciless and monstrous enemy daring to call themselves human. WE ARE TRYING TO SAVE THE GERMANS AND CONSEQUENTLY THE WORLD by removing the lies FORCED on them by THE JEWS!! A large part of those lies are about Hitler and the Nazis, so to save the Germans (and the world) we must first clear the lies about Hitler, the Nazis and the true nature of the Germans. That lynchpin MUST be pulled and destroyed!My fight continues...

    Hano
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  109. #58
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    Dear Hano,

    I fully agree to your latest post. Thanks for the thoughts and energy you put into it.

    As you wrote some days before: "Before the Truth will set you free, it's going to piss you off first".

    I found similiarities with the Seraphin messages: we have to look under each stone, question everything and we are responsible for the status of all mankind.

    If we would just sit in our comfort zone being proud of our efforts (in reality doing nothing for our human fellows) and state: "I am an individual, I am not responsible for the world's problems but as individual I am doing very nice things, just what I can do, ... then we have failed.

    If we do not want to know the ugly things then we support the implementation of the New World Order because we will not inform friends and others who are ready for such information, which would help them to wake up.

    Similiar teachings by Seraphin can be found in the messages 137 and 143, for example. Today Rosie wrote that she has lost friends because of Seraphin messages.

    "Before the Truth will set you free, it's going to piss you off first".

    All who feel pissed now and have returned to their comfort zone are invited to ponder more over this and then hopefully to return here to tell their truth.

    For me this was a process of thinking during two days.

    Perceval

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  111. #59
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    I find the part about Hitler's uncreation most disconcerting and i am hoping there is error or deliberate misdirection somewhere on the part of Buddha. Such methods do get employed by fleet too, for myriad reasons, Yes?. There has to be another side to the story as i am unwilling to accept the fact of his uncreation where gut-feel is concerned on the matter. I feel there is more.
    Considering how terribly uniformed i am of the pure facts around Hitler, I KNOW that what i have said above IS Ego-Driven, but it comes very much with the blessings of ME for very good reasons.

    "And to Hitler, what happened to him? He was placed in confinement and has faced the courts of Monjoronson. He will face uncreation shortly. There was no remorse. With remorse, he could have created a plan whereby he corrected his wrongs, by right doing."
    Thanks dear Altea for finding this.

    Ok, to make calls which results in deaths is no over-lookable/trivial matter no doubt, regardless of what side of a dividing line a leader/herder sits at war. What Hitler may or may have not done cannot be any different than what today's Murderous Psychopathic Dimwitted Buffoonic Leaders in Gucci suits do everyday today, and to add insult to injury, they walk the sands of the earth in broad day light with impunity! The question which begs to asked exactly is Remorse for what? War decisions or the "Jewish" Holocaust decisions? I am dead curious for some expansion of the comment, if, when and where possible, BUT i think it is safe to say that it was not for extinguishing 6 million "JEWS"!!!!!

    Let me remind u all what Hitler is truly known/remembered for, in case it is somehow escaping our thoughts and lest we get distracted as to debates about his piety or not.

    Hitler = "Jewish" Holocaust!

    Hitler as remembered today is about "his crimes" against 6 million Jews far much more than decisions he made as a war leader which naturally led to deaths on both sides AND vice-versa per the "allies". However, where common sense, irrefutable evidence and even the words of old [Thinking] Hat-Onn is concerned, the holocaust according to Gospel of the Jews has be proven A FAT LIE!
    Now having reminded us of what really matters around Hitler and eliminated it from all equations, it is plain to see that he is no different from today's Leaders where sainthood is concerned. Having eliminated the holocaust concern, the question that begs to be asked is who the Hell is Hitler - The Truth!!!
    Further more, there is a much overlooked thinking regarding what Hitler represents.
    It is called RESTRAINT!!!! How?
    Well, where is it rumored the A-bombs which where detonated over Japan where made and by who's orders? Germany/Hitler. Why did he not use it, assuming the information is true??? Are u following me?

    Also, what nation in recent history was the first to build a working wave-field device? That's right, Germany under Hitler. If i am not mistaken, the "venusian" Hat-like 'UFO' photographed by Adamski belongs to Germany!!!!!! and so did the 'ufos' which paid Washington DC a small "Triangular Formation" visit. Does anyone know how awfully easy it is to Level DC with good equipment? A button-easy. Yet, that did or has not Happened. WHY??

    ah well...

    I am simply awed when it is insinuated that this topic be discontinued as it takes a short memory, considering what information is available to forget that many policies existent today were motivated by the "Hitler-threat", not the least of which the Palestinians essentially 'lost home' as a result of the LIEs around Hitler. The UN exists today and is held in the scrotum, due to those mass accepted Lies. And so and so forth. So please it is disruptive to ask that issue of Hitler be silenced. I suggest u be tendering a very good reason as to why for us to learn along.

    I am just as equally fascinated with everything around Hitler. I had always previously stayed my opinion on his matter as i am not satisfactorily well informed as to the truth of his personality and motivation which i hoped to understand with the PJs. CM refrained heavily from any mention as to the Psyche of Hitler or his subsequent where or how abouts beyond reducing his position to Antarctica. Believe it or not i am just reading of him 'according to the PJs', having in someway, SOMEHOW previously failed to find any mention of him in the PJs using my tested cross-referencing methods - weird! I had no idea he was mentioned in the PJs until Christ posted those portions and i hope there is more as i read on - Thanks Christ!

    Hitler with Germany is a far more significant part of the current world-mess than is admitted and does warrant this exposure. Out of sight is not out of thought and whatever is left of the Germans down-under still IS in 'our faces' to deal with it. The war, truly, never ended - Plain to see as of today 2013.

    Something tells me the season beckons for some pulling of heads out of the butts of self to perceive the freshness of Truth blown awind.
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  113. #60
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    Hano, I'm not sufficiently documented, That you think of the following?

    "Hitler in Argentina" is an excellent work of investigation whose main objective is to prove The Fuhrer did not commit suicide in Berlin, but that probably fled to Argentina. It is over this topic that investigative journalist, Abel Basti has gathered a great number of data, mostly coming from witnesses and documentation – to prove that the so-called death of the Nazi leader, at his Bunker in Berlin, has been a great lie that has been maintained alive for more than sixty years...
    (Abel Basti has published in 2006 the book ‘Bariloche Nazi’ and several essays on the presence of Germans who fled Europe when WWII was coming to an end. In 2008 Published the book “Hitler in Argentina”
    …Did Adolf Hitler and his wife Eva Braun actually fled from Europe? Have Hitler’s and his wife”s suicide been a great fraud? Did they escape with the help of the Allies? Did they submarine, where they lived for many years?
    http://www.barilochenazi.com.ar/english/index.html
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    Adolf Hitler suicide story questioned after test reveal skull is a woman’s.
    By Andrew Osborn in Moscow, 28 Sep 2009
    Conspiracy theories suggest that Hitler did not die in 1945 but survived and fled to South America or elsewhere and the skull in not genuine...
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/history/w...-a-womans.html
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    In 2011, documents have been declassified and are available on a named Special Site The Vault within the authentic web Site del Federal Bureau of Investigation FBI. ( http://vault.fbi.gov/adolf-hitler )
    Quote:
    …In 1933, the FBI investigated an assassination threat made against Hitler. In the aftermath of Germany’s surrender in 1945, western Allied forces suspected that Hitler had committed suicide but did not immediately find evidence of his death. At the time, it was feared that Hitler may have escaped in the closing days of the war, and searches were made to determine if he was still alive. FBI Files indicate that the Bureau investigated some of the rumors of Hitler’s survival…
    In part 1 page 4, it reads: Claims to have aided six top Argentine Officials in hiding Adolph Hitler upon his landing by submarine in Argentina.

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  115. #61
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    Ok wait a minute, i know CM quotes many earth sources in the PJs. It appears the material from the PJs on Hitler which u placed here where from the Peter Beter materials - Harvest moon series, by same CM anyways.

    Found this
    http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/so..._firesky10.htm

    clicking 'back' at the end of the page above gave this
    http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/es...resky.htm#MENU

    I guess i need to reread the material again, completely forgot.

    Just thinking aloud....
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  116. #62
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    Re: Adolf Hitler - The Truth

    Dear Virick,

    Firstly the view that your are presenting is the one that the most humanity had against Hitler. It had been taught and in fact brainwashed by the Cabals and their Hollywood that the Jews were murdered etc etc under oblivion.

    But if you have read the posts that Ron had made about the Second World War you would also know that this Holocaust is no what did trully happened.
    Secondly Auschwitz is now since the mid 90 displaying the plaque that only 1 millions jews were killed in the Holocaust. What did happened to the 5 millions left ?. Ah they disapeared into a blue smog of invisibility. But this was never advertise into our world.
    Beside the fact that the Red Cross is supplying the real mumber of the people killed down there mostly of Thyphus and stravation, taking the gas chamber completly out of the picture.

    So for what crime was Hitler commended ?
    You said that it was the atom bomb, but Hitler refused to bomb a city with it, even in the last day of the war. The one who really fired the bomb were the americans pushed by their cabals master who wanted the world to fear the atomic bomb.

    So what was that pushed the Jews to declared war on Germany in 1933 ?

    Do you remenbered Weimar ? After the Versailles Treaty Germany had to paid billions as reparations, this lead to the completly devaluation of the money. You had probably seen those image of germans paying their breads with a big trunk holding the money.
    But reading this http://www.helium.com/items/1339681-german-currencies, you would see that Germany change it worthless papermoney to the Reichmark in 1924. So we got a new money for Germany that functioned until 1948.

    In 1931 the Olympic Comitee gave the Olympic Games of 1936 to Germany.
    So between 1924 and 1931 that only 7 years, no really that much but enough to rebuild the econmic of Germany. Because well the Olympic Comitee couldnt have given the Olympic games to Germany if it hadnt a good ecomony- The olympic games cost much to build and to entertain and you need a strong well at last a stabile economy to bear the costs.
    What did happened worldwide during the 20s ? ah beside Jazz and co we got something called the Great Depression. its began on 29 Octobre 1929.
    The whole world was affected ? The whole world you said ? no really the Germans were doing very fine, because their Currency wasnt backed off by the normal Cabals so they lived with ease through the Depression.
    Despite of the Boycott and Embargo of germans products banned form the commerce worldwide thanks of those Jews again, the Germans pulled of the Olympic Games. By the way you may had noticed that the Iran got their products banned form the worldwide economy since more that 2 decades, so that kind of games is not really new per se.They got only 4 and half year to complete it under an ecomonic embargo.
    If you read the testomity of Kennedy who visit Germany before the outbreak of the War, you would see that people were happy and that the economy was thriving in spite of the embargo.

    The reason for this miraclous recovery of the ecomony of Germany is based that their currency werent controlled by the Cabals. As simply as this.
    Secondly i remenbered reading that once when Germany need meat and Argentina need tractors then the Germans and Argentinan made a deal: we are exchanging our tractors for your meat. That less 2 happy country with a very pissed of City of London.
    Because normaly the exchange of good got this way: germans asked for a credit in the City of London, Argentina asked for a credit in the City as well and they payed the goods by those credits on both the City of London stamped a big usury.
    But by exchanging goods without getting credits in the first place the system was out played and those poor city of London guys couldnt make the billions of profits they used to make.
    So if you want to know why the Jews declare the war on Germany in 1933 reread what i wrote below.

    Ps. This tactic is still working today: Irak was destroyed because its money wasnt controll by a Rotschild banks, Lybia was bombarded back to the stone age because its own banks were national banks and didnt belong to the Rotchild either.
    Today the list of country that dont get a Rotschild Bank a central bank are Iran, Cuba and Korea.

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    Lucifer was a fascinating personality too and he was uncreated as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Altea1 View Post
    Satan was a fascinating personality too and he was uncreated as well.
    Oh lovely so for you Hitler equale Satan ? So every Germans is a demons form hell as well ??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Starcup View Post
    Oh lovely so for you Hitler equale Satan ? So every Germans is a demons form hell as well ??


    I am kidding:

    I cannot confirm that Satan was a fascinating person because I have no memories of him!

    According to the information that was given to us before: being uncreated is a choice of the person, God would not do this.

    If one is reluctant to changing his/her actions in future lives then this one can be uncreated according to his/her wish. Am I right?

    This has been the choice of Lucifer.


    Since Hitler did not listen to advice already during WW2, leading to the huge mistake of sacrifying the 6th German army at Stalingrad,

    he also could have told to Monjoronson at the court (please take this easy, this is my type of humour):

    " I do not regret my actions. They were appropriate. Ahhh, Herr Monjoronson, you are only good in theory, you do not know anything about practice in the physical realm; I will not listen to you anymore, .... "


    I would also like to know more details if the story of uncreation of Hitler is true.


    And I know more fascinating persons: Altea, Starcup and: Bernd, BeeGee, Butterfly, Christ, Hano, Kathy, Luis Alberto, NedKelly, Peter B., Sunrise, virick and all others, who have written in this thread so far ... and many more.

    Much love

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    Quote Originally Posted by Starcup View Post
    Oh lovely so for you Hitler equale Satan ? So every Germans is a demons form hell as well ??
    No! Starcup, I am not saying Hitler equals Lucifer. To me Lucifer was much more brilliant than Hitler, a High Being who felt in disgrace because of his big spiritual ego. Something very common in this planet. Comparing with Lucifer, Hitler is much more mediocre.

    And I see every German as sons and daughters of My Dear Father Cristo Miguel Aton, thus they are my brothers and sisters, MI FAMILY.

    Apologies, I meant Lucifer not Satan.
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  126. #67
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    Altea: Reading you last comment I have been bursting out of laughing. What do you mean??? Do you really think arguing in this manner we will achieve something constructive?

    Arguing on the same track like yours one could say the same of Gen. Franco.


    The last thing I learned from Satan was that he is imprisioned. But me too, I don't have information whether he was a fascinating entity or not.

  127. #68
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    Quote Originally Posted by Altea1 View Post
    Lucifer was a fascinating personality too and he was uncreated as well.
    Just to add a little correction here: Satan was NOT uncreated, according to Kibo (and others probably as well), but changed sides, actually. I guess you mean Lucifer. Lucifer and Satan are NOT one and the same person.

    P.S.: Oh, I see, the error was noticed in the mean time....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathy View Post
    Altea: Reading you last comment I have been bursting out of laughing. What do you mean??? Do you really think arguing in this manner we will achieve something constructive?

    Arguing on the same track like yours one could say the same of Gen. Franco.


    The last thing I learned from Satan was that he is imprisioned. But me too, I don't have information whether he was a fascinating entity or not.
    Kathy, good I made you laugh! that was my intention.

    I am not arguing just answering Starcup, and about achieving something constructive I think it depends on each one’s view.

    And yes, we can say the same for Franco. Hitler, Mussolini and Franco were very close friends.
    Obfuscation prevent us from seeing the big picture

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    Quote Originally Posted by Altea1 View Post
    Kathy, good I made you laugh! that was my intention.

    I am not arguing just answering Starcup, and about achieving something constructive I think it depends on each one’s view.

    And yes, we can say the same for Franco. Hitler, Mussolini and Franco were very close friends.
    The problem that your argumentation is null because its no an argument that you are presenting but an opinion of your own point of view that all. Opinion point of view they are as many as stars in the sky. As already pionted out Lucifer and Satan arent the same.
    But beside those opinions why are against that thread in the first place ?
    Because what you have learnt in the school isnt confrom to what we are writing there ?.
    Didnt you know that we are living the Planet of the LIE and as such they would be everywhere. Its not only the Second World War that need to be reconsidered but also a big part of our human history as well which meant everything before the 20 th century.
    Does that upset you as well ?.

    Your reference are also off: Franco was a terrible thing to happened to Spain and i dont know if the its know now how much people were murdered during his reign.
    Mussollini never did much beside his crackpot politic and Cesar attitude.
    Hitler did stuck an alliance with the Italian Dictator but no sure about the close friend thing you are writing on. You are just putting those in the same hat with no reference as ever.

    Curiously you are simply forgetting to name the first 3 on that list which would be Lenin, Stalin and Mao. Lenin and Stalin were both Jews and responsible for the holocausting of 100 millions of orthodox Christians in Russia.
    Mao was a puppet of the Jews as well there is even a reference to it on the history thread and massacred more that half a milliard of his compatriot.
    Of course those massacre werent important since they are mostly never refered to and not even worth a footnote in the History books, but we still got the Horror Holocaust Show going on down there.

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    Thank you to all the participants in the thread!!
    Most educative!!
    Un-creation:I coincide with Perceval that the information
    given to us was that it is chosen, once in the celestial courts.
    It goes along with the Law of Responsability.
    I may be wrong??
    Some light there???
    Thanks in advance.

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    G’day cobbers,

    WOW. Finally a real discussion on Hitler, Germany and the HoloHoax! Thanks to all those who have contributed. Humanity has to get a grip on these matters in order to progress because the hidden truth continues to adversely affect global consciousness.

    Thanks Hano for your passionate work on this subject, It is, as you say, absolutely central to the process of waking up humanity at this time. And I thank you and Virick for your forthright questioning of Buddha’s pronouncement that Hitler was to be uncreated. Hatonn has said Hitler was not a quitter and I would be surprised if he would choose uncreation. ALSO, as you have eloquently demonstrated Hano: WHY would Monjoronson’s courts seek such an outcome? IF Hitler is to be uncreated then there must be millions of others ahead of him in the queue. Indeed, I am reminded of the old adage: "Who will escape whipping"?
    Thanks Christ for posting Hatonn’s info on Hitler, UFOs etc.

    I think Hatonn may have used info from the pdf of Jan Van Heslings manuscript Secret Societies and their power in the 20th Century, somewhere in the Journals. Anyway, among other things, Jan Heslings provides some more detail about “UFOs” which tends to confirm that the Germans already had inter solar system craft virtually ready to go to Mars by the end of WWII. See: http://archive.org/details/VanHelsin...The20thCentury

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  136. #73
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    Quote Originally Posted by Perceval View Post
    I am kidding:

    Since Hitler did not listen to advice already during WW2, leading to the huge mistake of sacrifying the 6th German army at Stalingrad,

    he also could have told to Monjoronson at the court (please take this easy, this is my type of humour):

    " I do not regret my actions. They were appropriate. Ahhh, Herr Monjoronson, you are only good in theory, you do not know anything about practice in the physical realm; I will not listen to you anymore, .... "


    PRICELESS!!!!!!!!!!!!


    Very nice!! LOL!!!!


    HAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

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    Greetings Starcup,

    At the least what your post says to me is i need to improve thought transference skills in writing. I have always been aware of that tendency to inefficiently relay a thought, but if u look closely, u'll see we are both on the same page, saying the same thing. Thanks for the information still



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    Dear Virick,...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Starcup View Post
    Oh lovely so for you Hitler equale Satan ? So every Germans is a demons form hell as well ??
    Starcup, i dont think she ever insinuated that.
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  138. #74
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    Quote Originally Posted by Altea1 View Post
    Lucifer was a fascinating personality too and he was uncreated as well.
    Oh come now Altea, Lucifer's 'crimes' where not the rebellion itself. His "crime" IS Iniquity. I define iniquity as deliberate intent at error (evil) while being in FULL KNOWING AWARENESS! I hope that matches with the dictionary somehow. Also i recall that definition from the UB.
    I doubt an incarnate of the realm at that time in which we are informed the planet was barely hanging on to 2nd dimensional thinking-power can be held responsible for their actions unto uncreation. Karma/balance Yes. But Uncreation - a hard sell where common sense may be concerned.

    Lest we forget, he was not the only aggressor of war and possibly not the first attacker.

    Iniquity in full knowing is not the same as error in ignorance which is where Hitler fits, REMOVING of course, the holocaust allegations from further consideration.

    Obviously the Hitler story is one in which i feel Hierarchy may have done better justice to by educating the planet as to more detailed whys since there is obviously more to Hitler than has been revealed to date and Hitler/Germany is terribly significant part of recent Earth's untold His-story.

    Altea, i quote ur comment as ur posts makes for excellent discussion with potential for new light to shine on this Hitler-Enigma.
    Dear Hano, I do not base my knowledge on written words by others. I base it on what I KNOW after years of my own investigation.

    You have to do your own search. To me it will be a waste of energy to give you details of my own search and you will spend more of your time and energy trying to prove that your point of view is better than mine.
    I will suggest you to do a balanced investigation before starting a thread of this category.
    There is possibly no better place or time to share such information. Short of that, u would have only but made a Fiat, take it or leave it statement without any Whys. Also is that information related to the personality or piety of Hitler OR the holocaust allegations? cos we are informed the holocaust part is false and evidence exists in that regard. Please share ur information with us as such is what this thread is about. We are learning here and i must remind u that if we drop the holocaust from reality, there remains only spurious reasoning as to why Hitler is any more evil than myself. But that's my opinion.

    The proving of viewpoints being better than another is competitive in nature and there is no need for that as we grow along together in grace (as Hat-onn likes to say). However, it should not bar the tendering of differing view points for the purpose of that same growth.Let's stay Fiat opinion and think Hitler thru in logical fashion.
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    G’day Altea,

    Re your comments on Hitler’s bombing other nations, are you aware that Poland threatened to invade Germany in the early 1930s and that Hitler only invaded Poland after the Polish government had allowed Bolsehviks to murder over 58,000 Germans living in what had been German territory before the Versailles Treaty gave it to Poland? See eg: Germany’s Declaration of War Against the United States: Hitler’s Reichstag Speech of December 11, 194. See: http://abundanthope.net/pages/Politi...-11-1941.shtml

    And have you read:

    Did Adolf Hitler Save Europe From Communism? See: http://abundanthope.net/pages/Politi...ommunism.shtml

    Churchill And Hitler...And History. See: http://abundanthope.net/pages/Politi...-History.shtml

    The pilots of Bomber Command cannot be called heroes. See: http://abundanthope.net/pages/Politi...d-heroes.shtml

    And for typical US military war crimes see: A Real Holocaust: Dresden, 13 February 1945: http://globalfire.tv/nj/08en/history/dresden.htm

    And:
    Dachau - The fraudulent stories of "extermination" and "homicidal gas chambers"-http://abundanthope.net/pages/Politi...n_a_3963.shtml

    Altea, do you disagree with the information in those articles and can you point to evidence of Hitler’s’ ‘evil invading and bombing of other countries, killing a lot of people (and sometimes only for his own benefit)’ etc? All the evidence I am aware of suggests that Churchill, Roosevelt, Stalin and global Jewry created WWII. There are numerous articles in the AH archives which evidence that Hitler repeatedly tried to avoid WWII.

    In my view context is very important in evaluation what Hitler and Germany did in the 1930s and during WWII. the Revolution by
    Rosa Luxemburg and Jewish Bolshevik Communists destabilised Germany towards the end of WWI and thereafter Hitler and his comrades had to fight hard to prevent the Jews from taking control of Germany as they had done in Russia in 1917. That struggle was a LIFE AND DEATH struggle as the murder of many millions of Russian Christians attested during the "Red Revolution" and throughout the period prior to Hitler's election in 1933. Similar bloodshed and slaughter attended the Bolsheviks' "Communist Revolution" (Civil War) in Spain during the mid 1930s. In effect, Hitler and the National Socialists (Nazis) struggled and were elected to power in very dangerous circumstances for Germany. The Jews intended to do to German Christians what they did to Russian Christians (and Spanish Christians during the so-called Spanish Civil War). To criticise Hitler and the Nazis for what they did to save their nation from the fate of Russian Christians is to be duped by Jewish propaganda. In effect Germany was at war with Jewish Communism and Jewish banksters from 1916 (when the Balfour Agreement was made) until the Jews achieved total victory and genocided the German people during WWII and its aftermath, ie until 1950. The formal declaration of War by global Jewry in March 1933 (repeated in August 1933) simply formalised the reality. Those who vilify and demonise Hitler and the Nazis are at best ignorant and certainly racist. In my view one of AH's prime tasks at this time is to set the record straight about Hitler, Germany and the HoloHoax.
    Love,


    Ron
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    Quote Originally Posted by Altea1 View Post
    Hitler ideology could be good but the way he tried to implement it was evil, invading and bombing another countries, killing a lot of people (and sometimes only for his own benefit), stealing properties and possession from other people and putting them in camps, experiments with human beings in labs, killing his own generals as Rommel, even he cheated the treasury of his own country while being in power, and so many atrocities were committed during his command.

    I forgot that he helped the dictator Franco to win the civil war in Spain and the famous Picasso picture “El Guernica” was painted as reminder of the massacre made in that village in Spain by the German airplanes during the civil war.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nedkelly View Post
    G’day cobbers,

    WOW. Finally a real discussion on Hitler, Germany and the HoloHoax! Thanks to all those who have contributed. Humanity has to get a grip on these matters in order to progress because the hidden truth continues to adversely affect global consciousness.

    Thanks Hano for your passionate work on this subject, It is, as you say, absolutely central to the process of waking up humanity at this time. And I thank you and Virick for your forthright questioning of Buddha’s pronouncement that Hitler was to be uncreated. Hatonn has said Hitler was not a quitter and I would be surprised if he would choose uncreation. ALSO, as you have eloquently demonstrated Hano: WHY would Monjoronson’s courts seek such an outcome? IF Hitler is to be uncreated then there must be millions of others ahead of him in the queue. Indeed, I am reminded of the old adage: "Who will escape whipping"?
    Thanks Christ for posting Hatonn’s info on Hitler, UFOs etc.

    I think Hatonn may have used info from the pdf of Jan Van Heslings manuscript Secret Societies and their power in the 20th Century, somewhere in the Journals. Anyway, among other things, Jan Heslings provides some more detail about “UFOs” which tends to confirm that the Germans already had inter solar system craft virtually ready to go to Mars by the end of WWII. See: http://archive.org/details/VanHelsin...The20thCentury

    Ron
    **************
    Are u sure Ron? i guess i will have double-check myself, but copy pasting portions of the PJs Christ posted here leads to the Peter Beter Materials. Thanks for the link, i will look into it. Usually what i do when i need info on any subject is first cross-reference the topic with any mention of it in the PJs. Once i find it, i then search for the material which Hat-onn usually quotes from and read it from source in full. I am aware there are many stories on Hitler - voluminous many manys - that i try to start from good sources. Ill add urs. Thank you!



    P.s: downloaded the PDF. i think i will enjoy the material.
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  144. #77
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    What an amazing thread this has become. It's exploded beyond my expectations. Why hasn't anyone done this before? I'm astounded by the variety of viewpoints and real discussion by some really knowledgable people whom I'm learning a lot from and the little comparison of Hitler, Satan and Lucifer was, to me, so funny and gave some more great insights and the discussion on the whole uncreation of Hitler issue was quite revealing. I thought I was alone on that idea and that comment and entire answer to it was asking for trouble. Incidentally, in this next speech we can see Hitler's own views on Divine Justice.

    All I wanted to do was show some aspects of Hitler that was somewhat neglected and dispel some lies but this thread has become so much more. Thank you, thank you for making this thing come alive with so much richness.

    And now I would like to continue with the speeches which I think give an insight into a brilliant, enigmatic and deep mind with many facets of both light and dark.


    In this speech made on 27 March 1924 before the Munich court Hitler speaks on the State, England and France's aims for Germany and Judgement.

    http://www.hitler.org/
    http://www.hitler.org/speeches/03-27-24.html
    BEFORE THE MUNICH COURT
    SPEECH OF MARCH 27, 1924

    WHEN did the ruin of Germany begin? You know the watchword of the old German system in its foreign policy: it ran - maintenance of world peace, economic conquest of the world. With both these principles one cannot govern a people. The maintenance of world peace cannot be the purpose and aim of the policy of a State. The increase and maintenance of a people - that alone can be the aim. If you are going to conquer the world by an economic policy, other peoples will not fail to see their danger.

    What is the State? Today the State is an economic organization, an association of persons, formed, it would seem, for the sole purpose that all should co operate in securing each other's daily bread. THE STATE, HOWEVER, IS NOT AN ECONOMIC ORGANIZATION, IT IS A 'VOLKIC' ORGANISM. The purpose, the aim of the State is to provide the people with its food-supply and with the position of power in the world which is its due. Germany occupies in Europe perhaps the most bitter situation of any people, Militarily, politically, and geographically it is surrounded by none but rivals: IT CAN MAINTAIN ITSELF ONLY WHEN IT PLACES A POWER-POLICY (MACHTPOLITIK) RUTHLESSLY IN THE FOREGROUND.

    Two Powers are in a position to determine the future development of Europe: England and France. England's aim remains eternally the same: to balkanize Europe and to establish a balance of power in Europe so that her position in the world will not be threatened. ENGLAND IS NOT ON PRINCIPLE AN ENEMY OF GERMANY, IT IS THE POWER WHICH SEEKS TO GAIN THE FIRST PLACE IN EUROPE. The declared enemy of Germany is France. Just as England needs the balkanization of Europe, so France needs the balkanization of Germany in order to gain hegemony in Europe. After four and a half years of bitter struggle at last through the Revolution the scale of victory turned in favor of the coalition of these two Powers, with the following result: France was faced with the question: Was she to realize her eternal war-aim or not? That means: Could France destroy Germany and deprive it of all the sources whereby its people was fed? Today France watches the ripening to fulfillment of her age-old plan: it matters not what Government will be at the helm in France: the supreme aim will remain - the annihilation of Germany, the extermination of twenty million Germans, and the dissolution of Germany into separate States....

    The army which we have formed grows from day to day; from hour to hour it grows more rapidly. EVEN NOW I HAVE THE PROUD HOPE THAT ONE DAY THE HOUR IS COMING WHEN THESE UNTRAINED BANDS WILL BECOME BATTALIONS, WHEN THE BATTALIONS WILL BECOME REGIMENTS AND THE REGIMENTS DIVISIONS, when the old cockade will be raised from the mire, when the old banners will once again wave before us: and then reconciliation will come in that eternal last Court of Judgment - the Court of God - before which we are ready to take our stand. Then from our bones, from our graves will sound the voice of that tribunal which alone has the right to sit in judgment upon us. For, gentlemen, it is not you who pronounce judgment upon us, it is the eternal Court of History which will make its pronouncement upon the charge which is brought against us. The judgment that you will pass, that I know. But that Court will not ask of us: 'Have you committed high treason or not?' That Court will judge us ....who as Germans have wished the best for their people and their Fatherland, who wished to fight and to die. You may declare us guilty a thousand times, but the Goddess who presides over the Eternal Court of History will with a smile tear in pieces the charge of the Public Prosecutor and the judgment of the Court: for she declares us guiltless.
    The Dark of the Long Night shall give way to the Light of the Eternal Day and HUman shall eternally be the Keeper of the Light as the Heart of the One

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    Quote Originally Posted by Starcup View Post
    The problem that your argumentation is null because its no an argument that you are presenting but an opinion of your own point of view that all. Opinion point of view they are as many as stars in the sky. As already pionted out Lucifer and Satan arent the same.
    But beside those opinions why are against that thread in the first place ?
    Because what you have learnt in the school isnt confrom to what we are writing there ?.
    Didnt you know that we are living the Planet of the LIE and as such they would be everywhere. Its not only the Second World War that need to be reconsidered but also a big part of our human history as well which meant everything before the 20 th century.
    Does that upset you as well ?.

    Your reference are also off: Franco was a terrible thing to happened to Spain and i dont know if the its know now how much people were murdered during his reign.
    Mussollini never did much beside his crackpot politic and Cesar attitude.
    Hitler did stuck an alliance with the Italian Dictator but no sure about the close friend thing you are writing on. You are just putting those in the same hat with no reference as ever.

    Curiously you are simply forgetting to name the first 3 on that list which would be Lenin, Stalin and Mao. Lenin and Stalin were both Jews and responsible for the holocausting of 100 millions of orthodox Christians in Russia.
    Mao was a puppet of the Jews as well there is even a reference to it on the history thread and massacred more that half a milliard of his compatriot.
    Of course those massacre werent important since they are mostly never refered to and not even worth a footnote in the History books, but we still got the Horror Holocaust Show going on down there.
    I am not against this thread, I am just giving my opinion on Hitler, this is the point of this thread. I consider very important what Hano and Ron are doing to show that side of Hitler.

    And about “the problem that my argumentation is null because its no an argument that you are presenting but an opinion of your own point of view,” I answer you that this is your point of view not mine, for I have done no argumentation, just talked a few words on my opinion, this is a forum, no?.

    About this "Your reference are also off: Franco was a terrible thing to happened to Spain and i dont know if the its know now how much people were murdered during his reign." who are you to tell me what is off and what is on?

    And I wonder how do you think to restore and recover your country, if when you have to talk with people that do not share your point of view on Hitler you ask them the question “ So every German is a demons form hell as wel?”
    Obfuscation prevent us from seeing the big picture

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  148. #79
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    So, what is " God " (Grandfather) saying about it?

    Excerpt from CWG-1 page 45

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    How can this be? What of the evil which has been created by man?


    You cannot create a thing— not a thought, an object, an event—no experience of any kind— which is outside of God’s plan. For God’s plan is for you to create anything—everything—whatever you want. In such freedom lies the experience of God being God—and this is the experience for which I created You. And life itself.

    Evil is that which you call evil. Yet even that I love, for it is only through that which you call evil that you can know good; only through that which you call the work of the devil that you can know and do the work of God. I do not love hot more than I love cold, high more than low, left more than right. It is all relative. It is all part of what is.

    I do not love “good” more than I love “bad.” Hitler went to heaven. When you understand this, you will understand God.

    But I have been raised to believe that good and bad do exist; that right and wrong are opposed; that some things are not okay, not alright, not acceptable in the sight of God.

    Everything is “acceptable” in the sight of God, for how can God not accept that which is? To reject a thing is to deny that it exists. To say that it is not okay is to say that it is not a part of Me—and that is impossible.

    Yet hold to your beliefs, and stay true to your values, for these are the values of your parents, of your parents’ parents; of your friends and of your society. They form the structure of your life, and to lose them would be to unravel the fabric of your experience. Still, examine them one by one. Review them piece by piece. Do not dismantle the house, but look at each brick, and replace those which appear broken, which no longer support the structure.

    Your ideas about right and wrong are just that—ideas. They are the thoughts which form the shape and create the substance of Who You Are. There would be only one reason to change any of these; only one purpose in making an alteration: if you are not happy with Who You Are.

    Only you can know if you are happy. Only you can say of your life—“This is my creation (son), in which I am well pleased.”

    If your values serve you, hold to them. Argue for them. Fight to defend them.

    Yet seek to fight in a way which harms no one. Harm is not a necessary ingredient in healing.

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    L & L, Christ.
    I AM THAT I AM

    "If you believe that God is some omnipotent being who hears all prayers, says “yes” to some, “no” to others, and “maybe, but not now” to the rest, you are mistaken. By what rule of thumb would God decide?
    If you believe that God is the creator and decider of all things in your life, you are mistaken.
    God is the observer, not the creator. And God stands ready to assist you in living your life, but not in the way you might expect.
    It is not God’s function to create, or uncreate, the circumstances or conditions of your life. God created you, in the image and likeness of God. You have created the rest, through the power God has given you. God created the process of life and life itself as you know it. Yet God gave you free choice, to do with life as you will.
    In this sense, your will for you is God’s will for you.
    You are living your life the way you are living your life, and I have no preference in the matter.
    This is the grand illusion in which you have engaged: that God cares one way or the other what you do.
    I do not care what you do, and that is hard for you to hear. Yet do you care what your children do when you send them out to play? Is it a matter of consequence to you whether they play tag, or hide and seek, or pretend? No, it is not, because you know they are perfectly safe. You have placed them in an environment which you consider friendly and very okay.
    Of course, you will always hope that they do not hurt themselves. And if they do, you will be right there to help them, heal them, allow them to feel safe again, to be happy again, to go and play again another day. But whether they choose hide and seek or pretend will not matter to you the next day, either.
    You will tell them, of course, which games are dangerous to play. But you cannot stop your children from doing dangerous things. Not always. Not forever. Not in every moment from now until death. It is the wise parent who knows this. Yet the parent never stops caring about the outcome. It is this dichotomy—not caring deeply about the process, but caring deeply about the result—that comes close to describing the dichotomy of God.
    Yet God, in a sense, does not even care about the outcome. Not the ultimate outcome. This is because the ultimate outcome is assured. And this is the second great illusion of man: that the outcome of life is in doubt. "
    From CWG-1

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    Quote Originally Posted by Altea1 View Post
    I am not against this thread, I am just giving my opinion on Hitler, this is the point of this thread. I consider very important what Hano and Ron are doing to show that side of Hitler.

    And about “the problem that my argumentation is null because its no an argument that you are presenting but an opinion of your own point of view,” I answer you that this is your point of view not mine, for I have done no argumentation, just talked a few words on my opinion, this is a forum, no?.

    About this "Your reference are also off: Franco was a terrible thing to happened to Spain and i dont know if the its know now how much people were murdered during his reign." who are you to tell me what is off and what is on?

    And I wonder how do you think to restore and recover your country, if when you have to talk with people that do not share your point of view on Hitler you ask them the question “ So every German is a demons form hell as wel?”
    Atlea1.

    You were the one that began this discussion about Hitler uncreation by posting this Buddha chanelling and by this to prove that Hitler was completly evil and by this uncreated.
    Later as the discusion settle you wrote that Satan which you change to Lucifer later on was also uncreated.
    So what do you believe let me to make my comment ?
    You wrote Hitler is uncreated then Satan is uncreated because both are evil. That is what can be taken form both of you own post that you made.

    I answered back that you equale Satan to Hitler and by this adding my comment about every Germans is a demons from Hell since you way of present your arguments or opnions was absurd.
    I know that my own comment of Germans is absurd as well, dont worry am well aware of that, but since you had change this thread into a kind of Theatre of Absurd.

    Kathy later on remarked the arguments were borked which is true and that nothing would be done to contribute to the thread.

    Curiously you were the one that brought Franco in this theard because without you i wouldnt have spared a thought on him. You were the one by your own words putting Franco, Hitler and Mussollini in the same hat not me.

    But when i wrote in my previous post that a: Franco was a terrible thing to happened to Spain which he was in true and b) that we dont know the numbers of people he murdered. Those facts are historical facts no invention or as you called them opinions form my mind.
    My reason for writing this was this link below:
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...ss-graves.html

    Curiously you took offence of my arguments and chatised me of asking "who are you to tell me what is off and what is on?" those were you own words.
    And to finish your post you also made me look as a fool since you used my own writing against myself.

    So after this whole Theatre of Absurdum could you Altea perhaps provide us with your facts or the socalled knowlegde you possesed ? You wrote to Hano that you were well read in the thema so where are your own sources ? Me and a few others would like to know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nedkelly View Post
    G’day Altea,

    Re your comments on Hitler’s bombing other nations, are you aware that Poland threatened to invade Germany in the early 1930s and that Hitler only invaded Poland after the Polish government had allowed Bolsehviks to murder over 58,000 Germans living in what had been German territory before the Versailles Treaty gave it to Poland? See eg: Germany’s Declaration of War Against the United States: Hitler’s Reichstag Speech of December 11, 194. See: http://abundanthope.net/pages/Politi...-11-1941.shtml

    And have you read:

    Did Adolf Hitler Save Europe From Communism? See: http://abundanthope.net/pages/Politi...ommunism.shtml

    Churchill And Hitler...And History. See: http://abundanthope.net/pages/Politi...-History.shtml

    The pilots of Bomber Command cannot be called heroes. See: http://abundanthope.net/pages/Politi...d-heroes.shtml

    And for typical US military war crimes see: A Real Holocaust: Dresden, 13 February 1945: http://globalfire.tv/nj/08en/history/dresden.htm

    And:
    Dachau - The fraudulent stories of "extermination" and "homicidal gas chambers"-http://abundanthope.net/pages/Politi...n_a_3963.shtml

    Altea, do you disagree with the information in those articles and can you point to evidence of Hitler’s’ ‘evil invading and bombing of other countries, killing a lot of people (and sometimes only for his own benefit)’ etc? All the evidence I am aware of suggests that Churchill, Roosevelt, Stalin and global Jewry created WWII. There are numerous articles in the AH archives which evidence that Hitler repeatedly tried to avoid WWII.

    In my view context is very important in evaluation what Hitler and Germany did in the 1930s and during WWII. the Revolution by
    Rosa Luxemburg and Jewish Bolshevik Communists destabilised Germany towards the end of WWI and thereafter Hitler and his comrades had to fight hard to prevent the Jews from taking control of Germany as they had done in Russia in 1917. That struggle was a LIFE AND DEATH struggle as the murder of many millions of Russian Christians attested during the "Red Revolution" and throughout the period prior to Hitler's election in 1933. Similar bloodshed and slaughter attended the Bolsheviks' "Communist Revolution" (Civil War) in Spain during the mid 1930s. In effect, Hitler and the National Socialists (Nazis) struggled and were elected to power in very dangerous circumstances for Germany. The Jews intended to do to German Christians what they did to Russian Christians (and Spanish Christians during the so-called Spanish Civil War). To criticise Hitler and the Nazis for what they did to save their nation from the fate of Russian Christians is to be duped by Jewish propaganda. In effect Germany was at war with Jewish Communism and Jewish banksters from 1916 (when the Balfour Agreement was made) until the Jews achieved total victory and genocided the German people during WWII and its aftermath, ie until 1950. The formal declaration of War by global Jewry in March 1933 (repeated in August 1933) simply formalised the reality. Those who vilify and demonise Hitler and the Nazis are at best ignorant and certainly racist. In my view one of AH's prime tasks at this time is to set the record straight about Hitler, Germany and the HoloHoax.
    Love,


    Ron
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    Hi dear Ron,

    I do not disagree with all your information on this issue, I have disagreed with no one of your post on the AH main page, so you can see how much I trust you and your work.

    It seem that there is misunderstanding about me, and it must be due to I am always very short in my comments, but that is my way of working and not giving much details.

    I am playing the role of the opposition in this thread, as I see nobody do it.
    First because I do not see neutrality in this subject, most are polarized to one side, and I guess everybody is clear that we all have lights and shadows, and nobody is focusing on that side of the subject in this thread.
    And second I am doing a sort of test of how we will react to people once we have to talk on these delicate subjects to the asleep masses. There are many people who have suffered a lot with this issue whether be Germans or Jews, or from other countries in Europe, knowing or not knowing the truth on the holocaust hoax and why Hitler did what he did.

    Exploring his dark side will give us more insight on why these things happened and will help us to avoid this happen again. And so we will be healing the same old wounds in this planet like racism, intolerance and manipulation of others by imposing only one point of view.

    I read somewhere in AH that Hitler was guided by Satan once he changed to the darkside.

    About the civil war in Spain according to my sources there was not a communist revolution, there was a coup the etat by a general destroying our democracy. One of the triggers was a new liberal movement appearing in Cataluña, the anarchy and this did not like to the right wing.



    Altea
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    Quote Originally Posted by virick View Post
    Oh come now Altea, Lucifer's 'crimes' where not the rebellion itself. His "crime" IS Iniquity. I define iniquity as deliberate intent at error (evil) while being in FULL KNOWING AWARENESS! I hope that matches with the dictionary somehow. Also i recall that definition from the UB.
    I doubt an incarnate of the realm at that time in which we are informed the planet was barely hanging on to 2nd dimensional thinking-power can be held responsible for their actions unto uncreation. Karma/balance Yes. But Uncreation - a hard sell where common sense may be concerned.

    Lest we forget, he was not the only aggressor of war and possibly not the first attacker.

    Iniquity in full knowing is not the same as error in ignorance which is where Hitler fits, REMOVING of course, the holocaust allegations from further consideration.

    Obviously the Hitler story is one in which i feel Hierarchy may have done better justice to by educating the planet as to more detailed whys since there is obviously more to Hitler than has been revealed to date and Hitler/Germany is terribly significant part of recent Earth's untold His-story.

    Altea, i quote ur comment as ur posts makes for excellent discussion with potential for new light to shine on this Hitler-Enigma.


    There is possibly no better place or time to share such information. Short of that, u would have only but made a Fiat, take it or leave it statement without any Whys. Also is that information related to the personality or piety of Hitler OR the holocaust allegations? cos we are informed the holocaust part is false and evidence exists in that regard. Please share ur information with us as such is what this thread is about. We are learning here and i must remind u that if we drop the holocaust from reality, there remains only spurious reasoning as to why Hitler is any more evil than myself. But that's my opinion.

    The proving of viewpoints being better than another is competitive in nature and there is no need for that as we grow along together in grace (as Hat-onn likes to say). However, it should not bar the tendering of differing view points for the purpose of that same growth.Let's stay Fiat opinion and think Hitler thru in logical fashion.
    Hy dear Virick,

    There are a lot of information about Hitler out there, and using discernment you can see what is true and what has been changed.

    I will not do it for you, I have other thing to do.

    When I see neutrality/objectivity in this thread I may contribute with more information about him.

    I forgot to answer something to Ron that he asked me, when I say he killed a lot of people and sometimes for his own benefit, I mean not only people killed by his orders also all the people killed by his officials during his command and dictatorship. There are many proof of this out there. I will tell you only one in my country the massacre of Gernica.
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  156. #83
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    Atlea

    Perhaps it would be better for you indeed of writing long comments because your short comment are simply to short, to see where you are going.

    Playing the opposition is a role, but believe me that something we really dont need, no because of you ,but simply because the whole academic world, the modern historian, the magazines the televisions etc is already the OPPOSITION.

    About the delicacy of those matter i really wouldnt trouble about it: my reasoning for this that first the human mind had to get hammer with the fact that GreatpapaSource: "THEY ARE NOT ALONE ", then the fact that the society they were living is based on lies, that the politicians lied to them so History would come far behind those realizations as simply as this and by this time then they better got used to the truth.

    The whole Europe had suffered form this issued and Spain was neutral to it but not without it own trouble. The Second WW was the reason of the formation of 2 germans staat, of the sovietique area, and all the conflicts that went from it.

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  158. #84
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    2 cents. the ego loves to pass judgement and to be right. it will argue beyond all reason, and use every trick in the book to justify itself.
    so often, we fear to admit that we don't know. we wish to speak, and that is usually good, because these arguments are edifying (they teach us). but then the ego locks on to whatever we said.
    we don't know Hitler. we don't know when an untruth might creep into the PJ's. we don't know what goes on in cosmic court. we don't know much about ww II.

    What do you KNOW? i don't even Know myself. what do i know about Hitler? He had a silly little mustache. everything else is hearsay.
    so, please argue. we love to learn. but ... needs we be so cranky about it?

    and btw does anyone know any facts that can be held against Hitler. it sounds like he may have made tactical mistakes in the war. i don't even know if he forced his way to power, wasn't he eventually elected?

    one danger that i continually note in this game of educating ourselves, is the oversimplification of good guy and bad guys. black and whitification, the photocopy effect.
    Now in this instance i am considering another party, the jew. It is, and will be natural to demonize the jew. he has tailor made himself for the role. but speaking from experience, i can tell you that not all jews should be tarred with the same brush. lots of jews think that it(jewery) is a genetic club, (of course it isn't really, honestly, it was a trick from the beginning, to get more members, and to unify two different tribes of Talmudists) they believe that they are jews and have no idea about taking over the world etc.
    i have met them. i was/am one. plenty of them are good people and do not support evil, or israel. am i denying the evil ones? not at all. and how many thoughtlessly support their evil kin? oh many, i am sure.
    so that's my little contribution. thank you all. thank you Hano, bravely done. thank you Ron, how do you store it all in that little head =) thank you Altea, whatever your tru thoughts. they are not really my business. thank you all who dare to question, all who dare to test, or contradict the party line. Be You ... and redeem yourself in You. (know thyself and to thine own self be true)
    I am Me, for better and for worse. I am that i Am.
    thanks for listening
    with lots of love.... me =)
    aka Blake
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  160. #85
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aragon View Post
    2 cents. the ego loves to pass judgement and to be right. it will argue beyond all reason and use every trick in the book to justify itself.
    so often, we fear to admit that we don't know. we wish to speak and that is usually good because these arguments are edifying (they teach us). but then the ego locks on to whatever we said.
    we don't know Hitler. we don't know when an untruth
    Agreed on the first i dont know Hitler either have never meet him
    But about the untruth we can recognized it with our own heart.
    That my 2 c. comments

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  162. #86
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    In the federal elections of 1930 (which followed the Wall Street Crash), the Nazi Party won 107 seats in the Reichstag (the German Parliament), becoming the second-largest party. The true rise to power have now started. This is the speech Hitler gave on that event.

    http://www.hitler.org/
    http://www.hitler.org/speeches/09-16-30.html
    MUNICH
    SPEECH OF SEPTEMBER 16, 1930

    . . . THIS election means that the circle is now complete. And the question at this time is: what are the aims of this opposition and its leaders?

    It is a fight for an idea - a Weltanschhauung: and in the forefront stands a fundamental principle: Men do not exist for the State, the State exists for men. First and far above all else stands the idea of the people: the State is a form of organization of this people, and the meaning and the purpose of the State are through this form of organization to assure the life of the people. And from this there arises a new mode of thought and thus necessarily a new political method.

    We say: a new mode of thought. Today our whole official political outlook is rooted in the view that the State must be maintained because the State in itself is the essential thing; we, on the other hand, maintain that the State in its form has a definite purpose to fulfill and the moment that it fails to fulfill its purpose the form stands condemned. Above everything stands the purpose to maintain the nation's life - that is the essential thing and one should not speak of a law for the protection of the State but for the protection of the nation: it is of this protection that one must think.... In the place of this rigid formal organization - the State - must be set the living organism - the people. Then all action is given a new untrammelled freedom: all the formal fetters which can today be imposed on men become immoral directly they fail to maintain the people, because that is the highest purpose in life and the aim of all reasonable thought and action.

    If today our action employs among its different weapons that of Parliament, that is not to say that parliamentary parties exist only for parliamentary ends. For us Parliament is not an end in itself, but merely a means to an end . . . we are not on principle a parliamentary party - that would be a contradiction of our whole outlook - WE ARE A PARLIAMENTARY PARTY BY COMPULSION, UNDER CONSTRAINT, AND THAT COMPULSION IS THE CONSTITUTION. The Constitution compels us to use this means. It does not compel us to wish for a particular goal, it only prescribes a way - a method, and, I repeat, we follow this way legally, in accordance with the Constitution: by the way laid down through the Constitution we advance towards the purposes which we have set before us.

    Never can Constitutions determine for all time the content of a purpose, especially when this content is not identical with the vital rights of a people. If today the Constitution admits for its protection laws which are headed, 'Laws for the Protection of the Republic,' then it is demonstrated that the most which our present Constitution can prescribe is nothing but the protection and the maintenance of a form, and that does not touch the maintenance of the nation, of a people. This purpose is therefore free: this is the goal which we proclaim and to which we shall attain. . .

    From blood, authority of personality, and a fighting spirit springs that value which alone entitles a people to look around with glad hope, and that alone is also the condition for the life which men then desire. And when that is realized, then that too is realized for which today the political parties strive: prosperity, happiness of the individual, family-life, etc. First will come honor and then freedom, and from both of these happiness, prosperity, life: in a word, that state of things will return which we Germans perhaps dimly saw before the War, when individuals can once more live with joy in their hearts because life has a meaning and a purpose, because the close of life is then not in itself the end, since there will be an endless chain of generations to follow: man will know that what we create will not sink into Orcus but will pass to his children and to his children's children. And so this victory which we have just won is nothing else than the winning of a new weapon for our fight.... IT IS NOT FOR SEATS IN PARLIAMENT THAT WE FIGHT, BUT WE WIN SEATS IN PARLIAMENT IN ORDER THAT ONE DAY WE MAY BE ABLE TO LIBERATE THE GERMAN PEOPLE....

    Do not write on your banners the word 'Victory': today that word shall be uttered for the last time. Strike through the word 'Victory' and write once more in its place the word which suits us better - the word 'Fight.'
    The Dark of the Long Night shall give way to the Light of the Eternal Day and HUman shall eternally be the Keeper of the Light as the Heart of the One

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  164. #87
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    Re: Adolf Hitler - The Truth

    Is it just me or is their a battle of opinions and arguments developing in this thread or is it just heated discussion? Who really knows the indisputable facts about Hitler? Who can conclusively say : "I'm right and your wrong, so shut-up!" Is that what we are going to do here? Just argue or present as much as is possible factual information? Having an opinion is fine but wanting to club someone over the head because you think your opinion is more valid than someone else's is NOT fine. Passion is a good thing but when it starts to turn into an adversarial battle of one will over another will then it's time to check that passion and tune it to work with insight, understanding and an effort to see the bigger picture.

    I understand the strong feelings that this subject can bring to the surface. It has always polarised people either to one side or another. My opinions and passions on the subject is just as strong but I will not attack another's opinion just so I can feel mine is right or justified even if I know it is. Instead, I will make the effort to aquire some information that by research and experience I know to be true and then present that information for evaluation and non- argumentative discussion if it becomes a bit heated. Present viewpoints in a calm and controlled way, have opinions but don't fight over them. Present point and counterpoint - eventually the correct view will win out as that is usually the truth anyway. Hano
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  166. #88
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    This speech was given on 1 February 1933 in Berlin after Hitler was named full Chancellor of Germany by President Paul von Hindenburg on 30 January 1933.

    http://www.hitler.org/
    http://www.hitler.org/speeches/02-01-33.html
    BERLIN: PROCLAMATION TO THE GERMAN NATION
    FEBRUARY 1, 1933

    MORE than fourteen years have passed since the unhappy day when the German people, blinded by promises from foes at home and abroad, lost touch with honor and freedom, thereby losing all. Since that day of treachery, the Almighty has withheld his blessing from our people. Dissension and hatred descended upon us. With profound distress millions of the best German men and women from all walks of life have seen the unity of the nation vanishing away, dissolving in a confusion of political and personal opinions, economic interests, and ideological differences. Since that day, as so often in the past, Germany has presented a picture of heartbreaking disunity. We never received the equality and fraternity we had been promised, and we lost our liberty to boot. For when our nation lost its political place in the world, it soon lost its unity of spirit and will....

    We are firmly convinced that the German nation entered the fight in 1914 without the slightest feeling of guilt on its part and filled only with the desire to defend the Fatherland which had been attacked and to preserve the freedom, nay, the very existence, of the German people. This being so, we can only see in the disastrous fate which has overtaken us since those November days of 1918 the result of our collapse at home. But the rest of the world, too, has suffered no less since then from overwhelming crises. The balance of power which had evolved in the course of history, and which formerly played no small part in bringing about the understanding of the necessity for an internal solidarity of the nations, with all its advantages for trade and commerce, has been set on one side. The insane conception of victors and vanquished destroyed the confidence existing between nations, and, at the same time, the industry of the entire world.

    The misery of our people is horrible to behold! Millions of the industrial proletariat are unemployed and starving; the whole of the middle class and the small artisans have been impoverished. When this collapse finally reaches the German peasants, we will be faced with an immeasurable disaster. For then not only shall a nation collapse, but a two-thousand-year-old inheritance, some of the loftiest products of human culture and civilization.

    All about us the warning signs of this collapse are apparent. Communism with its method of madness is making a powerful and insidious attack upon our dismayed and shattered nation. It seeks to poison and disrupt in order to hurl us into an epoch of chaos.... This negative, destroying spirit spared nothing of all that is highest and most valuable. Beginning with the family, it has undermined the very foundations of morality and faith and scoffs at culture and business, nation and Fatherland, justice and honor. Fourteen years of Marxism have ruined Germany; one year of bolshevism would destroy her. The richest and fairest territories of the world would be turned into a smoking heap of ruins. Even the sufferings of the last decade and a half could not be compared to the misery of a Europe in the heart of which the red flag of destruction had been hoisted. The thousands of wounded, the hundreds of dead which this inner strife has already cost Germany should be a warning of the storm which would come....

    In those hours when our hearts were troubled about the life and the future of the German nation, the aged leader of the World War appealed to us. He called to those of us in nationalist parties and leagues to struggle under him once more, in unity and loyalty, for the salvation of the German nation. This time the front lines are at home. The venerable Reichspresident has allied himself with us in this noble endeavor. And as leaders of the nation and the national Government we vow to God, to our conscience, and to our people that we will faithfully and resolutely fulfill the task conferred upon us.

    The inheritance which has fallen to us is a terrible one. The task with which we are faced is the hardest which has fallen to German statesmen within the memory of man. But we are all filled with unbounded confidence for we believe in our people and their imperishable virtues. Every class and every individual must help us to found the new Reich.

    The National Government will regard it as its first and foremost duty to revive in the nation the spirit of unity and co-operation. It will preserve and defend those basic principles on which our nation has been built. It regards Christianity as the foundation of our national morality, and the family as the basis of national life....

    Turbulent instincts must be replaced by a national discipline as the guiding principle of our national life. All those institutions which are the strongholds of the energy and vitality of our nation will be taken under the special care of the Government.

    The National Government intends to solve the problem of the reorganization of trade and commerce with two four-year plans:

    The German farmer must be rescued in order that the nation may be supplied with the necessities of life....

    A concerted and all-embracing attack must be made on unemployment in order that the German working class may be saved from ruin....

    The November parties have ruined the German peasantry in fourteen years.

    In fourteen years they have created an army of millions of unemployed. The National Government will, with iron determination and unshakable steadfastness of purpose, put through the following plan:

    Within four years the German peasant must be rescued from the quagmire into which he has fallen.

    Within four years unemployment must be finally overcome. At the same time the conditions necessary for a revival in trade and commerce are provided.

    The National Government will couple with this tremendous task of reorganizing business life a reorganization of the administrative and fiscal systems of the Reich, of the Federal States, and the Communes.

    Only when this has been done can the idea of a continued federal existence of the entire Reich be fully realized....

    Compulsory labor-service and the back-to-the-land policy are two of the basic principles of this program.

    The securing of the necessities of life will include the performance of social duties to the sick and aged.

    In economical administration, the promotion of employment, the preservation of the farmer, as well as in the exploitation of individual initiative, the Government sees the best guarantee for the avoidance of any experiments which would endanger the currency.

    As regards its foreign policy the National Government considers its highest mission to be the securing of the right to live and the restoration of freedom to our nation. Its determination to bring to an end the chaotic state of affairs in Germany will assist in restoring to the community of nations a State of equal value and, above all, a State which must have equal rights. It is impressed with the importance of its duty to use this nation of equal rights as an instrument for the securing and maintenance of that peace which the world requires today more than ever before.

    May the good will of all others assist in the fulfillment of this our earnest wish for the welfare of Europe and of the whole world.

    Great as is our love for our Army as the bearer of our arms and the symbol of our great past, we should be happy if the world, by reducing its armaments, would see to it that we need never increase our own.

    If, however, Germany is to experience this political and economic revival and conscientiously fulfill her duties toward the other nations, one decisive step is absolutely necessary first: the overcoming of the destroying menace of communism in Germany. We of this Government feel responsible for the restoration of orderly life in the nation and for the final elimination of class madness and class struggle. We recognize no classes, we see only the German people, millions of peasants, bourgeois, and workers who will either overcome together the difficulties of these times or be overcome by them. We are firmly resolved and we have taken our oath. Since the present Reichstag is incapable of lending support to this work, we ask the German people whom we represent to perform the task themselves.

    Reichspräsident von Hindenburg has called upon us to bring about the revival of the German nation. Unity is our tool. Therefore we now appeal to the German people to support this reconciliation. The National Government wishes to work and it will work. It did not ruin the German nation for fourteen years, but now it will lead the nation back to health. It is determined to make well in four years the ills of fourteen years. But the National Government cannot make the work of reconstruction dependent upon the approval of those who wrought destruction. The Marxist parties and their lackeys have had fourteen years to show what they can do. The result is a heap of ruins.

    Now, people of Germany, give us four years and then pass judgment upon us. In accordance with Field Marshal von Hindenburg's command we shall begin now. May God Almighty give our work His blessing, strengthen our purpose, and endow us with wisdom and the trust of our people, for we are fighting not for ourselves but for Germany.
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    Re: Adolf Hitler - The Truth

    G’day Blake,

    Thank you for your views.
    You say everything about Hitler is hearsay, apart from his mustache.

    For those of us who had no personal experience of Hitler that is true. And of course that applies to Germany, WWII, its other protagonists and everything in our world that we have not had direct experience of and/or interaction with.

    You also mention, correctly in my view, that we tend to oversimplify our assessments of life, the universe and everything, or at least our value judgments about people. One of the difficulties in discussions such as this one, is that to avoid oversimplification and misunderstandings one would have to write an essay if not a book every time one ventured a point of view

    In other words I feel that such observations are trivially true but what is the point of making such generalisations in the context of a discussion about Hitler, Germany, WWII, the HoloHoax etc? Is there an implication that this discussion is a mere passtime which has no real basis or reason for being except ego preservation?

    IF it is pointless to discuss these matters because we cannot know anything about Hitler (since arguably even his mustache may be fake or photo shopped or whatever) and what did or didn’t happen etc, what do you suggest we do? Contemplate our navels and assume that none of it matters? And does that imply that trying to understand our world today is a futile, ego exercise also?

    In my view we are here to attempt to understand ourselves and others. That involves thinking about what we understand to be the circumstances of our lives and the foundations and current structures influencing them. I think that WWI and WWII and the experiences of Hitler and the German, Jewish and other peoples directly or indirectly affected by those events and their aftermath, are valid subjects for investigation, inquiry and sturdy. I don’t perceive such study to be futile or necessarily vitiated by ego considerations.

    I also think that there is material available upon which we can place some reliance in assessing the truth or falsity of current perceptions about Hitler, National socialism and the German nation.

    Although those who control the global matrix that determines what we should think, feel and do have vilified and demonised Hitler there are sources of information which tend to flesh out the man as a human being. See eg: Hitler's War - What the Historians Neglect to Mention. At: http://abundanthope.net/pages/Politi...-Mention.shtml
    And:
    The “artist” versus the “house painter”. - http://abundanthope.net/pages/Politi...-painter.shtml
    And:
    The Unknown Adolf Hitler: Seven Ironic facts. – http://abundanthope.net/pages/Politi...ic-facts.shtml

    Historical Facts About Hitler's Germany Ignored By US And British Commonwealth Media. -http://abundanthope.net/pages/Politi...th-Media.shtml
    And:
    Zionism And The Third Reich. -http://abundanthope.net/pages/Politi...ich_4263.shtml
    And:
    A Defense of Hitler the Veteran? - http://abundanthope.net/pages/Politi...-Veteran.shtml

    While it is true that we have to rely on hearsay from others as to pertinent facts about Hitler and the Holocaust, some researchers have spent many years attempting to ferret out the truth. Such a person is David Irving. I think he is not entirely correct in some of his assessments and he seems to have been pressured to some extent to bend over backwards to be Jew friendly (unbiased?) in his assessment of the facts. Never the less his testimony paints a clear picture that despite incidents of German, Baltic and Ukrainian brutality and atrocities aimed primarily against Soviet and Polish Jews in retaliation for the killings of hundreds of thousands (millions?) of non-Jews in Soviet controlled areas by Soviet (Bolshevik) Jews, David Irving spent ten years and more studying relevant archives (including the German and Vatican archives) and found no evidence of the so-called Jewish Holocaust.

    An interesting video audio of a talk given by David Irving in the US in the mid 1990s gives the flavour of his viewpoint. See the 1 hour 42' 29" video published by beautimerits on Oct 1, 2011 at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcLzT...layer_embedded

    Between the 57minute mark and the 1 hour and 7 minute mark, Irving refers to whar appears to be reliable “hearsay” evidence of a German military massacre of civilians (near Smolensk?) and an account of what his personal secretary recalls about his killing of Roehm et al on the Night of the Long Knives. I have seen elsewhere a reasonably persuasive explanation of why Hitler felt he had to kill the 60-80 Brown Shirt leaders on that occasion. Whatever the truth is, it seems probably that Hitler rationalised those murders as the lesser of two evils.

    The other notorious event, Crystal Night, was almost certainly a False Flag event organised by the Jew banksters. See: Crystal Night in 1938 – The Third Reich's 9/11? See: http://abundanthope.net/pages/Politi...h-s-9-11.shtml

    Blake, you are correct in assuming that Hitler was elected. It is worth noting that Churchill and Stalin were not.

    Blake, you say that you and many others ARE Jews but you do not support evil or Israel. Judaism is Talmudism. The real question that arises is: ‘Does a person who purports to be a Jew support Talmudism?’ A secondary question would be: ‘Does a person who says he is a Jew publicly profess that “identity” in order to obtain the benefits associated with belonging to the pseudo-racial, pseudo-religious, racist deological ethnic collective that goes by the self chosen name of “Jew”?' IF not, why do such people call themselves Jews? I was raised as a Catholic but I don’t call myself a Catholic or a Christian. I AM WHO I AM. Talmudists are obviously part of humanity’s current problems. And arguably, the “fellow traveller” category of Jews are also part of the problem in that they provide at least tacit support for the Talmudists AND they do it for personal benefit eg vocational preferment if not other “freebies”, and the warm glow of being associated with “superior people" who control our world at the expense of non-Jews.

    I think that dismissing this discussion on grounds that we cannot know the truth and/or that many Jews are are good people and do not support evil, or israel, misses the point. As I said in the Eight Star Forum, discernment requires knowledge and at least for most of us, knowledge isn’t acquired by osmosis – it requires mental, physical and emotional effort. No pain, no gain, as they say. The reason I constantly critique the activities of the collective that goes by the self chosen name “Jews” is that they are the prime mischief makers in known human history. And they are very actively controlling and enslaving humanity as we speak. Those who disagree with that assessment need to come up with a viable alternate explanation for the current and recent past situation of humanity and the planet. IMHO, simply decrying criticism of Jews and our efforts to expose the truth about Judaism and what Jews, as a collective, DO to humanity and the planet, is counter productive. Jews, as a collective, ARE a problem and they have been so for thousands of years. Moreover, in the context of this discussion, JEWS dominate, control and enslave ALL Germans and they largely do that to the rest of humanity also. If the Gestapo was doing to our world what the Jews are doing and I said I was a good (ie inactive) Gestapo member and that plenty of Gestapo members are good people – implying that they should not be criticised, - would that WASH? I don't think so.

    Arguably these matters need to be presented until understood by humanity. In my view widespread global acceptance of the truth about Hitler, Germany and the HoloHoax is necessary for the psychic and spiritual health of non-Jews and Jews alike. If anything, I think it is even more important for those Jews who are ignorant of the truth, and there are many, to have to confront the truth, for until they do they will be imprisoned by the Talmudic ethnic mind control paradigm that enslaves them.

    I feel that everyone needs to be given the opportunity to be confronted by some approximation of the truth on these major issues so that they can, in some meaningful way, choose what they will believe and how they will act. When you think about it, Jews are tremendously handicapped by their ideological Judaic indoctrination because it hammers into their psyche the belief that they are SEPARATE from the rest of humanity. That LIE necessarily destroys those who believe it and explains much of their behaviour. The truth can set Jews free too, if they can overcome their Judaic paradigm, but if not, not.

    It is often said that those who refuse to learn from history are bound to repeat it. That saying no longer applies in that (baaad?) Jews have virtually completed their global control and enslavement matrix. Sooo, there will be NO repeat performance. Either the Celestials intervene to save the situation, or humanity is finished, whether New Agers, “good Jews” or other ostrich imitators believe it or not. Or so I think.

    Namaste,
    Ron
    *************

    Quote Originally Posted by Aragon View Post
    2 cents. the ego loves to pass judgement and to be right. it will argue beyond all reason, and use every trick in the book to justify itself.
    so often, we fear to admit that we don't know. we wish to speak, and that is usually good, because these arguments are edifying (they teach us). but then the ego locks on to whatever we said.
    we don't know Hitler. we don't know when an untruth might creep into the PJ's. we don't know what goes on in cosmic court. we don't know much about ww II.

    What do you KNOW? i don't even Know myself. what do i know about Hitler? He had a silly little mustache. everything else is hearsay.
    so, please argue. we love to learn. but ... needs we be so cranky about it?

    and btw does anyone know any facts that can be held against Hitler. it sounds like he may have made tactical mistakes in the war. i don't even know if he forced his way to power, wasn't he eventually elected?

    one danger that i continually note in this game of educating ourselves, is the oversimplification of good guy and bad guys. black and whitification, the photocopy effect.
    Now in this instance i am considering another party, the jew. It is, and will be natural to demonize the jew. he has tailor made himself for the role. but speaking from experience, i can tell you that not all jews should be tarred with the same brush. lots of jews think that it(jewery) is a genetic club, (of course it isn't really, honestly, it was a trick from the beginning, to get more members, and to unify two different tribes of Talmudists) they believe that they are jews and have no idea about taking over the world etc.
    i have met them. i was/am one. plenty of them are good people and do not support evil, or israel. am i denying the evil ones? not at all. and how many thoughtlessly support their evil kin? oh many, i am sure.
    so that's my little contribution. thank you all. thank you Hano, bravely done. thank you Ron, how do you store it all in that little head =) thank you Altea, whatever your tru thoughts. they are not really my business. thank you all who dare to question, all who dare to test, or contradict the party line. Be You ... and redeem yourself in You. (know thyself and to thine own self be true)
    I am Me, for better and for worse. I am that i Am.
    thanks for listening
    with lots of love.... me =)
    aka Blake
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    massacre of Gernica/Guernicam

    While reviewing thru the thread, I came across mention of the Massacre of Guernica, by Atlea. She did not yet explain it, no further posts, unless she did earlier. I am just placing some links here because I decided to see what it was.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Guernica The bombing of Guernica (April 26, 1937) was an aerial attack on the Basque town of Guernica, Spain, causing widespread destruction and civilian deaths during the Spanish Civil War. The raid by planes of the German Luftwaffe "Condor Legion" and the Italian Fascist Aviazione Legionaria was called Operation Rügen.
    The number of victims of the attack is disputed; the Basque government reported 1,654 people killed, although modern speculations suggests between 126 to 400 civilians died.[1][2][3] Russian archives reveal 800 deaths on May 1, 1937, but this number may not include victims who later died of their injuries in hospitals or whose bodies were discovered buried in the rubble.[4] The bombing has often been considered one of the first raids in the history of modern military aviation on a defenseless civilian population, although the capital (Madrid) had been bombed many times previously. More at linky....

    http://www.eyewitnesstohistory.com/guernica.htm
    The German bombers appeared in the skies over Guernica in the late afternoon of April 26, 1937 and immediately transformed the sleepy Spanish market town into an everlasting symbol of the atrocity of war. Unbeknownst to the residents of Guernica, they had been slated by their attackers to become guinea pigs in an experiment designed to determine just what it would take to bomb a city into oblivion.


    The Condor Legion in action
    over Spain, 1937
    Spain was embroiled in a convulsive civil war that had begun in July 1936 when the right-wing Nationalists led by General Francisco Franco sought to overthrow Spain's left-wing Republican government. It did not take long before this bloody internal Spanish quarrel attracted the participation of forces beyond its borders - creating a lineup of opponents that foreshadowed the partnerships that would battle each other in World War II. Fascist Germany and Italy supported Franco while the Soviet Union backed the Republicans. A number of volunteers made their way to Spain to fight and die under the Republican banner including the Abraham Lincoln Brigade from the United States.


    Hitler's support of Franco consisted of the Condor Legion, an adjunct of the Luftwaffe. The Condor Legion provided the Luftwaffe the opportunity to develop and perfect tactics of aerial warfare that would fuel Germany's blitzkrieg through Europe during 1939 and 1940. As German air chief Hermann Goering testified at his trial after World War II: "The Spanish Civil War gave me an opportunity to put my young air force to the test, and a means for my men to gain experience." Some of these experimental tactics were tested on that bright Spring day with devastating results - the town of Guernica was entirely destroyed with a loss of life estimated at 1,650. The world was shocked and the tragedy immortalized by Pablo Picasso in his painting Guernica. more at link.

    http://hcvanalysis.wordpress.com/200...lls-the-story/ Cuban Survivor of Guernica Tells the story of his experience. He is writing a book on it. Please read an interview at the link. The survivor Jorge Eduardo makes a comment that in Iraq he sees a repeat of such. I was thinking the same thing before he commented on that, as I did some writing about Falushia etc, and the open destruction going on in Iraq that upset me a great deal in the early times of that war. I cannot understand people who do such things or support it and think it "ok". I dislike for Christianity as a group force increased hugely during the Iraq war, both of them in fact. -C

    http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/SPguernica.htm This is an interesting link suggesting that Franco had pre knowledge and then some-Cadace

    The town of Guernica is situated 30 kilometers east of Bilbao, in the Basque province of Vizcaya. Guernica was considered to be the spiritual capital of the Basque people.
    On the outbreak of the Spanish Civil War Guernica had a population of about 7,000 people. On 26th April 1937, Guernica was bombed by the German Condor Legion. As it was a market day the town was crowded.
    The town was first struck by explosive bombs and then by incendiaries. As people fled from their homes they were machine-gunned by fighter planes. The three hour raid completely destroyed the town. It is estimated that 1,685 people were killed and 900 injured in the attack.


    General Francisco Franco denied that he had nothing to do with the raid and claimed that the town had been dynamited and then burnt by Anarchist Brigades. After the war a telegram sent from Franco's headquarters was discovered and revealed that he had asked the German Condor Legion to carry out the attack on Guernica. It is believed that the attack was an attempt to demoralize the Basque people.

    Sadly in the even more recent "known" history of this world, how many Guernica's have their been? And it goes on still......when will they ever learn, when will they, ever learn? (peter Paul and Mary) One could label the destruction of the World Trader Center on 911, once such recent event.
    Books are not the WORD.. the HUMAN BEING IS THE WORD and when MAN UNDERSTANDS HIS HUMAN ROLE... as the WORD... this planet will come into glory.

    Faith is a term of KNOWING..which produces expectation of that knowing. When one has "faith" something will happen... it is because of the knowing that it CAN happen... and often does when there is enough desire to manifest it. I tire of the "faith" of religions in which the specific religion/sect "followed" is labeled a faith. Religions are not faiths... Faith comes from the inner knowing and in no other way.

    "The human race must become reconciled to a procession of changes, adjustments, and readjustments. Mankind is on the march toward a new and unrevealed planetary destiny."

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    Afterreading about Guernica i went to research myself and found this article:
    http://www.ag-friedensforschung.de/themen/Kriegsgeschichte/piper.html
    Translationin English
    Guernica -history of an air attack
    By GerhardPiper
    German soldiersof the "Legion Condor" bombed the Spanish town of Guernica on April26, 1937. It was the first airstrike made abroad use the new NAZI Reich airforce and the first on a civilian area target in military history. How manyplanes involved in the attack and how many casualties were sustained, could notbe clarified until today. Until the mid-1970s was - both in Spain and inGermany - this attack displaced and covered up. For a reconciliation with theformer enemy, the Federal Government was not ready until today. This year, thepeace Museum in Guernica opened a documentation centre, which collects allpublications to the bombing and is particularly dependent on aid from Germany.The name "Guernica" is still a symbol of military destruction andmilitary crimes. This was most recently on February 5, 2003 on the UN SecurityCouncil in New York. Before US Secretary of State Colin Powell announced hisfalse reports about the Iraqi ABC potential worldwide, he left hanging to the therecopy of the anti war painting "Guernica" by Pablo Picasso.(1)

    German ExpeditionaryLegion Condor

    On 18 July 1936, the Spanishfascists, led by Maj. Gen. Francisco Franco Bahamonde against the leftistcoalition Government of Socialists, Communists, and anarchists in Madridrevolted. This was the beginning of a three-year civil war betweenpro-Government Republicans and right-wing nationalists claimed at least 500,000lives and devastated the country. Finally won the fascists and marched inMadrid on March 28, 1938. From now on, General Franco ruled Spain until hisdeath in the year 1975 Church, prison and Military were the pillars of hispower.(2) The military aid of the Nazis helped the success of fascist troops.To the Wehrmacht had a special Expeditionary Force set up the Condor Legion.

    The decision to the Germaninvolvement in the Spanish civil war and the first foreign deployment after theend of world war I was made on a Operaball: on July 26, 1936, Adolf Hitler atthe Wagner Festival in Bayreuth, Germany received the Envoy of his Spanishcolleagues of General Francisco Arranz, who recited the Franco's request forthe purchase of ten transport aircraft to him. Adolf Hitler said to not onlythese aircraft, but sent a whole fighter with 6,500 soldiers and a firstcontingent of 78 machines.(3) The usage was given the code name "Operationfire magic". The first "volunteers" were already sent to Spainon the next day .(4) Without approval, the German military aircraft flewthrough French airspace. In Germany it was "justified" with securing the access to the Spanish ore (lead, iron, copper,etc.), since he upgrade of the armed forces ran now in fullswing.(5)

    As the Nazis had founded onlya year earlier, on their own the Empire air force on March 1, 1935, though theAllied Powers had forbidden the possession of a private air force Germany afterthe first world war. Even before the NAZI seizure of power, civil aviation inGermany had been organized so that at all times the construction of an airforce was possible. The "civilian" Lufthansa,(6) has been Directorthat Erhard rose milk, as Colonel-General Secretary of State in the Ministry ofaviation served as the core of the new air force. Standard airliner ofLufthansa was the Ju 52 / 3m "Tante ju", which was conceived from theoutset as a military auxiliary bomber. The usage in Spain should accelerate theconstruction of the new Reich air force and the experience to winning areincorporated into the further planning. It was prepared by the military secretservice, the Department of Defense/foreign under Admiral Wilhelm Canaris, inutmost secrecy. Although Germany officially had joined the international armsembargo against Spain from August 29, 1936, air marshal a. in the Nuremberg trialsdeclared D. Hermann Göring: "I sent a large part of my fleet with theapproval of the leader and sent a number of test commands of my fighter,bomber, and Flakgeschütze down and had on this wise opportunity to test whetherthe material was suitably developed in the shot."(7)

    Commander of theinternational force was Generalmajor Hugo Sperrle, Lieutenant Colonel BaronWolfram von Richthofen served as Chief of staff. The Legion divided initiallyinto a hunting group with 27 Heinkel He 51, a battle group with 30 extrabombers of Junkers Ju 52, a reconnaissance group with 6 Hey 45 and 12 he 70 anda Lake aviation with 9 he 59 and 1 he 60, Mallorca from operated. The armamentof the aircraft bombs SC-50 IDA and SC-250 Irma (50 kg or 250 kg) ofRheinmetall-Borsig,(8) included cluster bombs (10 kg) and fire bomb B-1 E (1kg) of armor group of IG Farben. The latter had a bomb shell made of magnesiumwith a Thermitladung, which burned at 2400 degrees, and water could not bedeleted. The mass of its crews was the former "Kampfgeschwader 154 OswaldBoelcke", that was stationed inLangenhagen near Hannover and Wunstorf. A small contingent of the army, came tothe aircraft flights the German Navy took over the supply of the troops by sea.The German Red Cross took part in the aggression and sent several nurses.(9)

    In the context of testing newweapons later still 48 modern fighters Messerschmitt Bf 109 B / C, several DiveBomber Henschel HS 123 and Junkers Ju 87A/B, as well as some bombers were addedhey do 17E/P 111 B, E, Junker ju 86D / 15 Dornier. Several armaments engineersof the manufacturers supported the test used under war conditions. At the sametime new usage tactics were developed with the modern aircraft. The huntingformation of the "swarm", which consists of two rotten with twoaircraft, conceived by the then Oberleutnant Werner Mölders was taken over byall air forces during the second world war and is still the standard battleformation for fighter pilots.(19) The German military had intended a testing ofthe B-1 E already towards the end of world war I fire bomb to ignite afirestorm for the first time in a hostile city, but this was been in 1918 expressly prohibited by KaiserWilhelm.(11)

    On August 14, 1936, theCondor Legion flew their first air raid against Málaga. It followed attacks onAlicante, Cartagena, Madrid and Toledo. The fascist troops pushed furthernorth, but initially could not occupy the capital city of Madrid. In the springof 1937, the nationalists of Northern Spain reached. The autonomous Governmentof the Basque country in Bilbao was surrounded by troops under the command ofgenerals Emilio Mola.

    The bombing of Guernica

    Guernica is situated 33 kmEast from Bilbao on the banks of the OCA, which flows north into the AtlanticOcean. The town had at the time about 6000 inhabitants, in addition an unknownnumber of war refugees in the municipality continued. In the city, there wereat least two small Rüstungsfabriken. Unceta & Cía. produced the army gunsof brand Astra and Talleres de Guernica tool factory S.A. during the civil warof temporary ammunition manufactured.(12) On the outskirts, there was at leastan old barracks. On the day of the RAID, several hundred soldiers of stragglingtroops in the city were stationed, who found refuge on their flight in themonastery of La Merced. They had viable Maschinengewehre,(13) only two so thatthe mass of soldiers deserted during the air raid. Although the town itself hadno military significance, the political importance of the city was greater:Guernica, the "Holy" national symbol of the Basques, the stump of anold oak three, where until 1876, the larger of the whole Basque country hasannually been gathered to exercise a form of direct democracy is located abovethe town centre. A building, the Casa de Juntas, was built in 1826."Guernica was not famous because it bombed; Guernica was bombed because itwas famous,"said the former Mayor of Guernica, Eduardo Vallejo.(14)

    On April 26, 1937, the CondorLegion bombed Guernica. There are various detailed representations about thenumber and types of the involved aircraft and bombs. The "Arbeitskreisregional history" from the room Wunstorf reported: "the fighter,probably 3 He 111 and 18 up 23 ju 52 with maximum 40 tons of bombs loaded, launchedby Burgos and Vitoria, flew first to North across the Gulf of Biscay, wavingSouth across the tidal estuary of the river of OCA and followed the River up toGuernica." (..) The attack began around 16:30 with asingle He 111, soon after two other machines of this type by the VB/88 (VB =experimental bomber squadron fourth season of bomber Group K = 88, G.P.)followed, which dropped their bombs near the train station. About 15 minuteslater, the first chain of Ju 52 reached the city, which have not burned, butwas shrouded in a thick cloud of dust that had stirred up the first explodingbombs. Objectives could no longer be detected, so that the crews of the Ju 52dropped its 250 and 50 kg high-explosive bombs and incendiary goal andhaphazardly on the city. (..)The attack waves followed eachother at a 20 minutes distance, Ju 52alternated with fighters, who took her gun fleeing men, women and children onthe streets and the surrounding forests under attack. "The attack onGuernica lasted almost three and a half hours, only against 19:45 the lastplane disappeared (...)."(15) By contrast, the American journalist MarkKurlansky is a different formation for attack: "a single Heinkel 111, anew bomber, the Germans had developed regarding speed and payload flew at lowaltitude of the mountains. (..) This is followedby a kind of deadly air show, where everything was presented, what was new inGerman and Italian war aircraft. Twenty-three Junkers Ju 52 surfaced (...),next four Heinkel 111, three Savoia-Marchetti S81, a new, very Dornier fast do17 (a bomber who was so slim, that the Germans called him "flyingpencil"), twelve Fiat CR32 as well, some reportedly, the first ever usedMesserschmitt BF 109. "This new fighter was a miracle of modern warfare: itreached up to 560 km/h, had bulletproof fuel tanks and a range of 640kilometers."(16)

    An eyewitness to JuanGuezureya reported on the use of low-flying aircraft he 51: "At a heightof about 30 meters the two aircraft flew back and forth as flying shepherds,who round up a herd of people to slaughter."(17) The responsible Chief ofthe Legion Condor, Wolfram von Richthofen later summarized his impressions in adiary Note: "the 250cc threw to a number of houses and destroyed theaqueduct. The incendiaries now had time to develop and to work. Theconstruction of houses: Tile roofs, wooden Gallery and wood timber-framedhouse, led to the total destruction. (..) Bomb holes onstreets yet to see just great."(18) On the evening of April 26, 1937, asit became predictable that the consequences of the attack were significant, theGerman crews "Muzzled" were missed, as the party season leader,reported by Beust.(19)

    Because it is unknown howmany people (residents, commuters, refugees) held on the day of the attack inGuernica, not exactly verified, how many killed and wounded there during thebombing. The agency United Press spread in a first report, there have been over100 victims.(20) According to the young freedom, a right-wing radical leaf, anofficial police report spoke of 266 civilian deaths and several hundredinjuries. Probably, around 300 people have been burned, shredded or shot.(21)Indicated that it had over 1654 dead and 889 injured ,(22) are now consideredexaggerated. The highest estimates suggest that by 2000 fatalities.(23) Of theapproximately 400 houses, 71% were completely destroyed, severely damaged in 7%and 21% easily damaged. The entire Centre of the 1000-year-old city between thestreets of San Juan, Adolfo Urioste and Don Tello was destroyed.(24) Three daysafter the airstrike fascist troops occupied the city.

    Guernica is considered thefirst civilian space goal that was completely destroyed by an air raid.(25)George Lowther steer, correspondent of the British newspaper times reported:"the whole city has been systematically destroyed. "The tactics ofthe attacker was quite clear: first heavy bombs and hand grenades, to encouragethe population to senseless attempts to escape, then machine gun fire to themin underground hiding places to drive and then finally destroy these shelterswith heavy fire bombs."(26) Since the twelve temporary shelter due to therisk of suffocation were only partly usable, hundreds of Santimamiñe caveinhabitants fled to bring itself about the dangers of "modernwarfare" in security. The cave had offered it the stone of protection asknown cave paintings express.

    Still, it is unclear whymilitary bombed the Legion Condor the city at all. In a survey among thesurvivors in 1992, 38 percent of those polled expressed they don't know evenafter 45 years yet why they had attacked.(27) Probably it never will beclarified; so far, five reasons were mentioned:

    1. German side, it is usually claimed the main objective of the attack was the 10-metre bridge over the river OCA on the outskirts, linking the town with the District of Rentería, to prevent as the supplies for the enemy frontline troops. However, the bridge when the attack has not been taken. Instead, almost everything - just out of the bridge - was destroyed in Guernica. Because the Republican troops were everywhere in retreat, a destruction of the bridge would have prevented only the settling movements and more aggravated as the fighting along the Frontverlaufs. Guernica is around twelve km from the Atlantic Ocean, was not to be expected that from the fishing villages on the coast (Mudaca, Bermeo) significant reinforcements of the Republican side had to be applied.(28)
    2. The target of the attack might have been the arms factory Unceta South of the bridge. But whose buildings were not damaged. Because Guernica was captured a few days after the air attack by the fascist troops - which came the Rentería bridge, a destruction of the factory would have been militarily counterproductive. However, the nationalists could occupy the factory and continue weapons production for own page, especially since the gun manufacturer Rufino Unceta was a Franco supporter.(19)
    3. The third theory is that targets of the attack were the Parliament building and the oak tree. But they were not hit in the attack. A destruction of the Basque national symbols would have to fan the military resistance in the Basque country, which was occupied to a large extent by the fascist troops.
    4. Possibly, the airstrike was a retaliation for the lynching of the civilian population of downed pilot of the Legion Condor.(30) However a German plane was never shot down in Guernica and its surrounding area.
    5. British side was felt, with the attack a concept to terrorise the civilian population had been tested.(31) It would be the practical implementation of the strategy of "total war", which was designed in 1935 by ex-General Erich Ludendorff.

    The last assumption is the comprehensive use of the ammunition and theduration of the attack, as well as the behavior of pilots who shot low altitudetargeted women and children. In addition, a similar attack against the villageof Gálcadano took place on April 30, 1937: "around 4 pm 30 flown 24bombing aircraft accompanied by six fighters, the 12 km of Bilbao from villageGálcadano, approximately three hundred bombs dropped on them, including someincendiary bombs. The fighters came down up to a height of forty feet and shotat civilians fleeing the fields with machine guns. 25 Houses and severalFichtenhaine in the area were destroyed by fire. "In Gálcadano and itssurroundings were numerous incendiary bombs with the inscription" BerlinRheindorf 1936th Heil Hitler! "found."(32)

    "When to repeatsomething on a larger scale, so that would mean a terrible future forEurope," reported the NAZI struggle sheet "VölkischerBeobachter" accordingly over the executions of British Foreign MinisterAnthony Eden to Guernica in the London Parliament on the 6th of May 1937.(33)the British military suddenly realized their own cities were as vulnerable. InGermany, the Nazi air Minister Hermann Göring issued three regulations for theimplementation of the new air protection law, in particular for theconstruction of bunkers on May 7, 1937.(34)

    War propaganda

    Many intellectuals fromabroad took part in the Spanish civil war, including several writers - such asErnest Hemingway, George Orwell, Simone Weil - and journalists who providedtheir Frontberichte on foreign newspapers. On the other hand, often no reliablereports were available, because the communications were few and far between ordestroyed by the war. As a result, that was a previously unknown role ofpropaganda in the war.

    The fascist coup Governmenthad any responsibility, so that never verified whether Spanish pilots duringthe attack on Guernica had been involved. A few hours after the attack claimedGeneral Queipo de Llano in a radio address, the Red forces had chased the citywith dynamite in the air during their retreat.(35) This was the fact that underthe rubble first few craters to make were slaughtered to the disinformation,the inhabitants had deliberately burned their own city and to kill each other.A few days later the headquarters of the fascist troops denied once again anyinvolvement in the bombing of Guernica. The city was "not a militaryZiel",(36) but was assured "that the rapid rise of nationalists inthe Basque front was carried on the Tuesday and Wednesday without air force andartillery. Rain and fog had prevented the use of these weapons." Thisagreed, especially since the attack on Guernica was done on Monday inclear.(37) The opposing party spread false reports. So declared was adelegation of the Autonomous Basque province of Government, which is far awayat the time of the attack in Barcelona, the oak and the Parliament buildingwere destroyed.(38)

    When the first reports of thedestruction of Guernica in Berlin arrived in the night after the attack, Reichwar Minister field marshal Werner von Blomberg of the high command of theLegion Condor wanted to know who was responsible for the attack. "NoGerman!" declared him misrepresent.(39) Maj. Gen. Sperrle had reported no203 in his radio message on the evening of 26 April to Berlin: "all theflying bodies of the Condor Legion in repeated use attacking back opponents onstreets North of Monte Oiz and bridge and roads eastward Guernica."(40)Correspondents of British newspapers times and daily express located nearGuernica, who immediately rushed to the scene, to make their reports about theair strike were random. The Times article published on April 28, immediatelyprovoked a worldwide media coverage.(41) A military new Reuters correspondentinitially contributed to the confusion in which he made an attack of fifty-twoJunkers aircraft from an attack with the Ju 52 aircraft.(42)

    In Germany, the use of theCondor Legion had been initially apostrophizes as "Secret Reichmatter". With the rise of the fallen, this practice of secrecy had to beabandoned. In the years that followed, over forty NS writer ereiferten (WernerBeumelburg and Heinz Bongartz alias Jürgen Thorwald etc.) with heroic tales ofuse in Spain. In response to the British coverage, the German side made theirown propaganda reports, which denied any involvement in the attack. In a weeklyreport, it said: "the ruins of the Spanish town of Guernica are that a fewhours after the Bolshevik Mordbrenner were expelled by the national army. TheJewish lies press claimed that German planes bombed the city. However theinternational world press had to brand very soon this message as a pressmaneuver of the Bolsheviks, which itself had burned down the entire town whenleaving home for home."(43) As the German Ambassador in the UnitedKingdom, Joachim von Ribbentrop, unwisely suggested an International Commissionof inquiry could go after Guernica, to find the real criminals on the spot, theCondor Legion was immediately active. The Oberleutnant Karl von Knauer,participating in the attack later reported: "it fireworks were ordered bythe Legion Condor after G. away all remnants of caudal fins of bombs,unexploded ordnance, etc.. Then Ambassador Ribbentrop received, that aCommission could come at any time after g."(44)

    In addition to writers, alsothe painter Oskar Kokoschka and Pablo Picasso of the theme took themselves. TheSpanish painter Pablo Picasso, who had fled to France before the fascists, wascommissioned to create a painting for the Spanish Pavilion at the Paris worldexhibition in 1937 by the Government still officially. Picasso had begun withpreparatory work to a painting than a week later the airstrike took place onGuernica. Under the impression of the current coverage, he changed his conceptand created a surrealistic anti war painting "Guernica".(45) Picasso,who never returned to Spain, had decreed that the work should be issued onlyafter the democratization of Spain in his home country. On September 11, 1981,the giant image was transferred from New York to Madrid, where it was presentedunder police protection in the Museo Nacional Reina Sofia.(46) After thepainting had contributed for many years, that the bombing of Guernica was notforgotten, the image is today may be known as the historical event to which itrelates.

    Withdrawal from Spain

    The German war participationwas for the victory of the Spanish fascists of crucial importance. On May 26,1938, most of the associations of the Condor legion returned to Germany. OnJune 6, 1939 Adolf Hitler and Nazi air Minister Hermann Göring declined thevictory parade of the returning troops, who defiled by the Brandenburg Gate.The civil war in Spain was the first and last war the Nazis "won".Overall, 15,000 to 16,000 soldiers in "Operation fire magic" wereinvolved, of which 226 killed came. A part of the aircraft remained in Spain toequip the air force back. Its usage had 386 enemy aircraft destroyed the LegionCondor and bombs dropped around 21,000 tonnes. 232 Machines were lost, including156 copies due to accidents.(47) General said: "Two years war experienceuseful were as ten years of training in peacetime."(48) In 1938-1939, theLegion Condor issued a comprehensive report, which became a bestseller in timeto the beginning of the second world war.(49) In the second world war returnedthe favor General Franco for German military assistance, and sent the"División Azul" on the German Eastern front.

    The soldiers of the LegionCondor made the Imperial air force and later in the German army career:Lieutenant within a few years, Hannes Trautloft, major Adolf Galland andColonel Erwin Jaenecke could ascend to the generals. After the war, HeinzTrettner was Chief of staff of the Bundeswehr on 1 April 1964. When theAdenauer Government the right acknowledged the soldiers on August 1, 1967, toengage in the Trade Union ÖTV Trettner resigned in protest.(50) Lieutenant ofHans Asmus became a major-General in the federal air force. The federal airforce squadron was named "Balletto", another named after captain ofMölders. In the GDR in turn at least 13 of 5,000 German "Spainfighters" General in the Kasernierte Volkspolizei or the national people'sarmy, four veterans were even Ministers: Friedrich Dickel (1963-1989 Interior),Heinz Hoffmann (1960-1985 Defense), Wilhelm Zaisser (1950-1953-nationalsecurity) and Erich Mielke (1957-1989 State security).(51) Of the survivingGerman members of the international brigades, 15 veterans in a working group ofthe Union of Persecutees of the Nazi regime - Federation of anti-fascists(VVN-BdA) have teamed up.(52)

    Dealing with the past inSpain

    The second world war gave thechance to the military retaliation the surviving inhabitants. About 200volunteers, a "Batallón Guernica" was raised in August 1944, that wasused on April 14, 1945, in the combat in the French Pointe-de-grave. All tracesof the RAID have been removed with the rebuilding of the city - 1939-1950. Todo this, temporarily up to 18,000 prisoners of the civil war were employed.(53)Only the attentive visitors may noticed, that there is hardly any really oldhouses in Guernica, that only a few new buildings were trimmed by theinstallation of archways and columns on "old". The Condor Legion wasthe victorious fascist allies, therefore, the RAID on Guernica remained a taboosubject during the Franco dictatorship. Only in 1970 was acknowledged by theFranco regime for the first time that there had actually been an airstrike inGuernica.(54) Still in 1974, when the two British journalist Gordon Thomas andMax Morgan Witts approached the town, to do research for a book about the airstrike was threatened them with the police. The former Mayor Gervasio Guezuragatold them: "for someone who deals with the history of Guernica, the cityhas to offer anything of interest. It is also pointless to talk about whathappened to anyone here then."(55)

    King Juan Carlos I urged allSpaniards to leave to avoid social tensions the past behind. In accordance withthis hush-hush policy of "convivencia Pacífica", an amnesty law wasadopted in October 1977.(56) At the same time, the "past" got achance with the democratization. The German historian Michael Kasper, who nowlives in Guernica, reported: "after the death of the dictator Franco in1975 the people of Guernica could commit for the first time the anniversary ofthe bombing of their city in freedom. (..) In Guernicaexisted what the researcher "Reconciliation horizon" call, i.e. thehonest desire for reconciliation with the former enemy. It is therefore no meretourist advertising, that Guernica today represents as a city of culture andpeace."(57) As a peace Research Institute (Gernika Gogoratuz - Centro deInvestigación por la Paz) was founded in Guernica-Lumo (the spelling in theBasque Euskera is Gernika-Lumo) on the fiftieth anniversary of the RAID 1987,dedicated to peace education in particular.(58) Two conscientious objectorsfrom Germany make their civil service here. In 1998, followed by a small peaceMuseum (Museo de la Paz de Guernica or Gernikako Bekearen Museoa), whichpresented the few exhibits, were kept for decades by private individuals. TheMuseum received a documentation centre 2003 (Centro de Documentación sobre elBombardeo de Guernica or Gernikako Bonbardeaketari buruzko DokumentazioZentrua), which has made it to the task, to collect publications and documentsrelated to the Spanish civil war and the air raid.(59) This one is dependent oninternational aid as Spanish military archives - for political reasons - filesstill kept. Because in Spain, "Democracy" was introduced by thefascists themselves, who thus secured in their lucrative posts in the civilservice, one could ask whether the old authoritarian structures persistsubliminally.(60)

    On reconciliation withGermany, the policy of the Basque representatives was intended from the outsetby two premises: one does not (financial) Forderungen,(61) allowed but not onthe other hand, that Germany "buys free itself from its historicalresponsibility". However, in the German press claimed the communityrepresentatives from the Basque country would be came to scrounge up funds.(62)The CDU Bundestag parliamentarian Heinrich Pohlmeier from Paderborn said 1987even the suspicion that behind the Basque politicians of reconciliation, theterrorist group ETA hide probably.(63)

    Reconciliation made inGermany

    After Spain used to developpolitical relations differently than expected. In 1940, Adolf Hitler describedhis Spanish colleagues Francisco Franco aptly as "klerikalespig".(64) At the Nuremberg trials, also the bombing of Guernica came tothe hearing. Although, Air Marshal Hermann Göring was executed for his numerouscrimes; on the other hand, the Hugo Sperrle ascended to Generalfeldmarschallwas acquitted and classified in the June 1949 a Denazification of the allies as"not loaded".(65) In Spain, Germans had fought on both sides. In thissense, the Spanish civil war was also a civil war among Germans. In Germany,the land of the perpetrators, the RAID on Guernica was not part of a collectiveguilt, but of collective oblivion for decades. This was even easier through thedisplacement cronyism of the Governments in Bonn and Madrid. To the socialproblems of the German past, the historian Michael declared Kasper: "thesurprising solidarity of German society with the guilty of genocide and war andthe dynamics of their social reintegration can be viewed as a testament to theenormous power of identification of the Third Reich. (..) The rehabilitation of the former Nazi policy was the result of a collectivedesire of the majority of Germans and contributed that the profound injusticecharacter of the NAZI regime fell into oblivion. Ultimately it was not therehabilitation of a certain number of criminals, but the moral rehabilitationof millions."(66)

    Only from the mid-1970s, thefirst books that constitute the historical facts of the bombing of Guernicaappeared in Germany. Since then, a phalanx of neo-Nazis, CDU/CSU politicians,sought to play down the events of Guernica Bundeswehr officers and Burschenschaftlern:still in 1985 declared Colonel Walter Holinka, Squadron commander at Celle airbase in Wunstorf: "The Kampfgeschwader Boelcke stationed in Wunstorf wasnot instrumental in the Condor Legion."(67) Maj. Gen. Jürgen Schreiber1992 resisted the "Guernica-babble". 26 April was not a trading day,therefore, not as many people in the city had stopped, and accordingly, thenumber of fatalities would be not so great.(68) And Lt. Gen. Franz Uhle-Wettlerspread word that the attack was "demonstrably only clear militaryobjectives".(69) For Colonel Erwin Jaenecke, the bombing of Guernica wasinitially simply "a success of the air force".(70) After criticism ofthe RAID emerged, he corrected his mind just a little bit: for the destructionof Guernica responsible, but the Italians were the German fascists nor theSpanish anti-fascists. You would have dropped their bombs not on the bridge,but mistakenly on the city centre.(71)

    The CSU politician ErichRiedl, Member of the Bundestag and of the Supervisory Board by MesserschmittBölkow Blom, blamed "unfavourable wind conditions", "Obstructedview" and "inadequate technique of target" for the destructionof Guernica in a parliamentary debate on 28 September 1995.(72) This policy ofdenial off was so prevalent that precisely those who explained the historicalfacts, charges exposed looked, they would distort the historical facts.(73)While looking over in Germany studiously, that in Guernica several thousandeyewitnesses of the RAID knew exactly who was responsible.(74) Who had fired ata small town of 6,000 inhabitants with at least three dozen explosives andseveral cluster bombs, nearly 3,000 incendiary bombs and thousands of grenadesfrom the cannons and machine guns of the aircraft, could then not be credible toassure you would be surprised that there was destruction.

    Undertook a first attempt atreconciliation between Gernika and Germany the Spanish Jesuit father JesúsArana Urkiola, when he initiated the founding of the "ComisiónGuernica" in 1979. For years, he asked in vain for a gesture ofreconciliation by part of the Federal Government.(75) As the German Ambassadorto Spain, Lothar, said Lahn on October 22, 1981, was "the subject of pastas completed to consider".(76) Finally, Aranas was picked up effort by thetwo representatives of the German peace movement of Petra Kelly and ex-generalGert Bastian. While to the commemorations of the 50th anniversary of thebombing in April 1987, the Kohl Government sent only the delegate of the GermanConsul in Bilbao, Kelly and Bastian travelled personally to Guernica to lay awreath on the spot. Twinned (Spanish hermanamiento) launched on April 29, 1989,between Guernica and Pforzheim, which almost completely was destroyed onFebruary 23, 1945 by a bomb attack, was established after long teethingproblems. Since there are numerous reciprocal visits and various exchangesbetween the two cities. The Germans have not left visible traces. A few booksabout the "gold city" Pforzheim and the Black Forest noticed only atthe public library here doesn't fit. And opposite the tourist office, a plaquerecalls that a touring Association from Pforzheim has awarded some ways toGuernica marks German thoroughness, that probably no Spaniard ever will makeit.

    The Christian-liberal governmentrefused to allow the attempts at reconciliation. Mid of the 1980s Hans-DietrichGenscher State Department offered only a grant of 10,000 DM (!) for thereconstruction of a church.(77) On 24 April 1997 the German Bundestag refusedto drop an admission of guilt for the destruction of Guernica. In thissituation the request was brought to the President, to contribute to theunderstanding. On the occasion of the sixtieth anniversary of the bombing,Roman Herzog directed a greeting to the people of Guernica on April 27, 1997:"I would like to me face the past and me explicitly commit to the culpableinvolvement of German pilots. To you as a survivor of the attack, as witnessesof sustained horror, I set my message of remembrance, of compassion and grief. (..) I am offering my hand asking for reconciliationthem, carrying the wounds of the past still."(78)

    After years of debate, theChancellor and historian Dr. Kohl finally granted DM three million as a grantfor the construction of a Sports Hall, which was paid in the years 1997 to1999. This is until today the only "Atonement" part of the GermanFederal Government: A sports facility for the destruction of an entire city! Fromthe "gesture of peace and reconciliation" was a "gesture ofembarrassment", as noted by a Berlin peace initiative.(79) The Greens werethere just seemingly an exception: on the occasion of the sixtieth anniversaryof the bombing, they gave the city a photo of Petra Kelly.(80)


    Ok itskinda stranger than fiction: first I didn’t traduce this so some sentence mightbe odd.

    First thingthat struck me:
    Ok Hitleris at a Operaball in Wagner Festival in Bayreuth when he was accosted by thespainish General who asked in the name of Franco 10 Aircraft for Transport .Instead of only this Hitler gave him 6 500 soldiers and a whole airbornbattaillon.
    I wouldreally like what kind of argument the Spanish general used in order to persuadeHitler. Later the sending of troops were justified with the need of Spanish ore. The problem for me that this is bullock speechsince the germans did have their own ore.

    Secondly atwhen the remained German that were alive in 92 were asked why they did attackGuernica they said they still don’t know.
    1. They ought to have attack a bridgebut in my knowing of military history it would be easier to spring the bridgethat put an whole attack by an air born battalion.
    2. The factory of munitions and armswere NOT hit by the bombardement.
    3. The parlement and that old stumpf ofoak three survive the bombardement
    4. They wasn’t a germans battalion orman or whatever that was killed so no reason for that either
    5. To show the military advantage andtechnology. Doesn’t make sense to me since the Germans were official not at warat that time so why reveal your trumps cards ? the new battalion and formation.
    I know thatin normal history book this bombardement is used to show the horror and the bloodthirstygermans etc etc. But I v got the feeling that either the germans were told thatsomething or someone was there that need to be destroy.
    Thirdly wegot those Reporters of the Times and Daily Express because oh lucky coincidencethey were near Guernica and so that the next day the bombardement was reportedin the news.
    Thosereporters were fucking lucky to be on the right place and right time but since Ireally don’t believe in coincidence am sure they have been informed that somethingwould happened down there because hey Spain is not a small country so how didthey know where to be ?. And this wasthe time before internet and Twitter.

    I believethat Guernica would still remain a mystery until perhaps the Celestials wouldgive us a reason why this had happened in this place.

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    Here is a site of just one of many KZ from my home country Austria, in german language, its about a KZ and witness and proof of live in Mauthausen, live in Human made hell: http://www.mauthausen-memorial.at/index_open.php ...make your own view and opinion.

    Das Projekt „Zeitzeugenberichte aus Mauthausen“ wurde im Dezember 2001 begonnen und im Dezember 2002 abgeschlossen. Ziel des Projekts war es, schriftliche Zeitzeugenberichte von ehemaligen polnischen Häftlingen des Konzentrationslagers Mauthausen und seiner Nebenlager zu erfassen, zu dokumentieren, bisher nicht bekannte Berichte zu kopieren und zur weiteren wissenschaftlichen Aufarbeitung in die deutsche Sprache zu übersetzen.

    Voraussetzung für die Durchführung des Projekts waren mehrere Archivreisen nach Polen (Warschau, Lodz, Auschwitz), bei denen bisher unbekanntes Archivmaterial erschlossen werden konnte.

    Erfaßt wurden insgesamt etwa 1.500 Zeitzeugenberichte, deren Grunddaten in einer Datenbank zugänglich gemacht werden. Zusätzlich stehen auf Grund der Fragebögen des Klubs KZ Mauthausen (Katowice) eine etwa 1.200 Fotos umfassende Fotodokumentation der befragten Überlebenden des KZ Mauthausen zur Verfügung.

    Die nun in deutscher Sprache vorliegenden, bisher unbekannten Berichte (Übersetzung: Pauline Benesz) der Überlebenden sind Dokumente der Erinnerung, die in vielen Details das Leben und Überleben im Konzentrationslager Mauthausen aus der Sicht der direkt Betroffenen dokumentieren.
    Quote Originally Posted by Altea1 View Post
    Hy dear Virick, There are a lot of information about Hitler out there, and using discernment you can see what is true and what has been changed. I will not do it for you, I have other thing to do. When I see neutrality/objectivity in this thread I may contribute with more information about him. I forgot to answer something to Ron that he asked me, when I say he killed a lot of people and sometimes for his own benefit, I mean not only people killed by his orders also all the people killed by his officials during his command and dictatorship. There are many proof of this out there. I will tell you only one in my country the massacre of Gernica.
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    Quote Originally Posted by morgenstern View Post
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    Here is a site of just one of many KZ from my home country Austria, in german language, its about a KZ and witness and proof of live in Mauthausen, live in Human made hell: http://www.mauthausen-memorial.at/index_open.php ...make your own view and opinion.

    Das Projekt „Zeitzeugenberichte aus Mauthausen“ wurde im Dezember 2001 begonnen und im Dezember 2002 abgeschlossen. Ziel des Projekts war es, schriftliche Zeitzeugenberichte von ehemaligen polnischen Häftlingen des Konzentrationslagers Mauthausen und seiner Nebenlager zu erfassen, zu dokumentieren, bisher nicht bekannte Berichte zu kopieren und zur weiteren wissenschaftlichen Aufarbeitung in die deutsche Sprache zu übersetzen.

    Voraussetzung für die Durchführung des Projekts waren mehrere Archivreisen nach Polen (Warschau, Lodz, Auschwitz), bei denen bisher unbekanntes Archivmaterial erschlossen werden konnte.

    Erfaßt wurden insgesamt etwa 1.500 Zeitzeugenberichte, deren Grunddaten in einer Datenbank zugänglich gemacht werden. Zusätzlich stehen auf Grund der Fragebögen des Klubs KZ Mauthausen (Katowice) eine etwa 1.200 Fotos umfassende Fotodokumentation der befragten Überlebenden des KZ Mauthausen zur Verfügung.

    Die nun in deutscher Sprache vorliegenden, bisher unbekannten Berichte (Übersetzung: Pauline Benesz) der Überlebenden sind Dokumente der Erinnerung, die in vielen Details das Leben und Überleben im Konzentrationslager Mauthausen aus der Sicht der direkt Betroffenen dokumentieren.[/QUOTE]


    Morgenstern could you please write this in english because not everyone is able to read and understand what you are writing there.

    The question would be is who is the one paying for making this questionairy and the one who is admistrating it.

    And secondly there is something that i found odd. So the materials used is from Archiv from Warsaw. Lodz and Auschwitz materials that was just discovered recently- Uhm the archivars had made a wrong job of it if a great part of material were missing in his Archiv, and is now suddenly appearing.

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    And secondly there is something that i found odd. So the materials used is from Archiv from Warsaw. Lodz and Auschwitz materials that was just discovered recently- Uhm the archivars had made a wrong job of it if a great part of material were missing in his Archiv, and is now suddenly appearing.

    o yes, I agree. They had a lot of time, to prepare a lot of papers... I remember Hatonns explanations about the trials of Nürnberg - much of the incriminating material was gathered through torture and her say letters (everybody could write anything) without any control or researching of the sources. The judges took into consideration just everything, and there were about 600'000 her say letters. The same happened with the reports of so called inmates. Many writers never saw a KZ from inside, and over the years, the stories got crazier and crazier. And not to forget the fotos! As mentioned in an earlier comment, the fotos of emaciated people in KZ were in reality fotos of German troops dying in american prison camps! It's CM who explains this. Morgenstern, go and read PJ 39 and 40.

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    Quote Originally Posted by morgenstern View Post


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    Here is a site of just one of many KZ from my home country Austria, in german language, its about a KZ and witness and proof of live in Mauthausen, live in Human made hell: http://www.mauthausen-memorial.at/index_open.php ...make your own view and opinion.

    Das Projekt „Zeitzeugenberichte aus Mauthausen“ wurde im Dezember 2001 begonnen und im Dezember 2002 abgeschlossen. Ziel des Projekts war es, schriftliche Zeitzeugenberichte von ehemaligen polnischen Häftlingen des Konzentrationslagers Mauthausen und seiner Nebenlager zu erfassen, zu dokumentieren, bisher nicht bekannte Berichte zu kopieren und zur weiteren wissenschaftlichen Aufarbeitung in die deutsche Sprache zu übersetzen.

    Voraussetzung für die Durchführung des Projekts waren mehrere Archivreisen nach Polen (Warschau, Lodz, Auschwitz), bei denen bisher unbekanntes Archivmaterial erschlossen werden konnte.

    Erfaßt wurden insgesamt etwa 1.500 Zeitzeugenberichte, deren Grunddaten in einer Datenbank zugänglich gemacht werden. Zusätzlich stehen auf Grund der Fragebögen des Klubs KZ Mauthausen (Katowice) eine etwa 1.200 Fotos umfassende Fotodokumentation der befragten Überlebenden des KZ Mauthausen zur Verfügung.

    Die nun in deutscher Sprache vorliegenden, bisher unbekannten Berichte (Übersetzung: Pauline Benesz) der Überlebenden sind Dokumente der Erinnerung, die in vielen Details das Leben und Überleben im Konzentrationslager Mauthausen aus der Sicht der direkt Betroffenen dokumentieren.
    Here is the translation of Morgenstern's post. I did it with Google Translator.

    The "eyewitness reports from Mauthausen" was started in December 2001 and completed in December 2002. The aim of the project was written eyewitness reports capture of former Polish prisoners of the concentration camp Mauthausen and its satellite camps to document, not previously known to copy and compile reports for further scholarly study in the German language.

    Prerequisite for the implementation of the project were more archive trips to Poland (Warsaw, Lodz, Auschwitz), where previously unknown archive material could be developed.

    Were recorded a total of about 1,500 eyewitness accounts, the basic data are made available in a database. In addition, questionnaires are due to the club Mauthausen (Katowice) an approximately 1,200 Photos comprehensive photo documentation of the interviewed survivors of the concentration camp Mauthausen available.

    Now present in the German language, previously unknown reports (translation: Pauline Benesz) of the survivors are documents of memory, which document the life and survival in the concentration camp Mauthausen from the perspective of those directly affected in many details.
    The Dark of the Long Night shall give way to the Light of the Eternal Day and HUman shall eternally be the Keeper of the Light as the Heart of the One

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    Obfuscation prevent us from seeing the big picture

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    Afterreading about Guernica i went to research myself and found this article:
    http://www.ag-friedensforschung.de/t...hte/piper.html
    Translationin English
    Guernica -history of an air attack
    By Gerhard Piper

    ...The German war participation was for the victory of the Spanish fascists of crucial importance. On May 26,1938, most of the associations of the Condor legion returned to Germany. OnJune 6, 1939 Adolf Hitler and Nazi air Minister Hermann Göring declined thevictory parade of the returning troops, who defiled by the Brandenburg Gate.The civil war in Spain was the first and last war the Nazis "won".Overall, 15,000 to 16,000 soldiers in "Operation fire magic" wereinvolved, of which 226 killed came. A part of the aircraft remained in Spain toequip the air force back. Its usage had 386 enemy aircraft destroyed the LegionCondor and bombs dropped around 21,000 tonnes. 232 Machines were lost, including 156 copies due to accidents.(47) General said: "Two years war experienceuseful were as ten years of training in peacetime."(48) In 1938-1939, theLegion Condor issued a comprehensive report, which became a bestseller in timeto the beginning of the second world war.(49) In the second world war returned the favor General Franco for German military assistance, and sent the"División Azul" on the German Eastern front.

    ...

    I believe that Guernica would still remain a mystery until perhaps the Celestials would give us a reason why this had happened in this place.


    Dear Starcup,

    Candace had written above: "General Francisco Franco denied that he had nothing to do with the raid and claimed that the town had been dynamited and then burnt by Anarchist Brigades. After the war a telegram sent from Franco's headquarters was discovered and revealed that he had asked the German Condor Legion to carry out the attack on Guernica. It is believed that the attack was an attempt to demoralize the Basque people."

    For me this completely makes sense. Why would the German Legion Condor decide that they will bomb Guernica or other cities, which they bombed? Sure, Franco took part in the decision or decided it.

    Franco's Spain did not participate in Second World War, but being grateful to Hitler for the help during the Spanish Civil War, he later sent a division, "División Azul" to support Germany's war against Sovietunion.

    In addition to your research about the details of the battle of Guernica I looked up "Legion Condor" at Wikipedia and by the story of the battles of the Spanish Civil war (see at the end of the post) with participation of Legion Condor I understood that this operation was difficult and it was an useful training for German air force and German pilots, for testing new planes and new air force tactics under war conditions; at the beginning the Russian planes of the Spanish Republic (supplied by Sovietunion) were more advanced that the German types and the Germans were going through a military learning curve, this sounds cynical and I would not tell that this it is good to mix into a Civil War because of such reason; the other reason was to prevent Spain being close ally to Sovietunion and the interest of Germans in having Spanish iron mines, all this shows that this scenario is already part of WW II, before the start of WW II!

    I think, we have to face the fact that Germany did evil things during WW2 and before, like bombing of Guernica including killing civilians by intention, testing fire bombs and even "machine gunning" of civilians by planes during this attack - I could believe that this has happened. To know more we would need reliable eyewitnesses. I think Candace mentioned a person now living in Cuba as eyewitness. I will look it up.

    Later the English and Americans did the same in Dresden and many other cities of Germany much worse than Germany ever did somewhere, I remember some hundred times. Bernd as a eyewitness (reporting what his mother experienced) had informed us that the Americans killed civilians at Dresden by machine gunning with "Lightning" planes several days long.

    I remember also that the Dutch people dislike Germans because of special events in WW2, e.g. Germany destroyed Rotterdam nearly completely by bombing in May 1940.

    It will not help the discussion considering one of the war opponents was evil and the other was not evil. It is not black and white, even it is shown in such way today! The "opposite roles" are also not true. As Kathy would state, they were all no angels.

    What I do not like that Germans were the first to try bombing of cities and killing civilians by air planes, in the Spanish Civil war! A good excuse for the unholy alliance to do the same later with Germany, more than "one hundred times" stronger! I also remember (if I am not misinformed) that Germans used gas (chemical weapons) the first time, in France during WW I. But Hitler did not use chemical weapons in WW II, did not use the atomic bomb, did not